I think it's time governments make a formal apology to homosexuals re: the centuries of abuse imposed on us

[Tab]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: DAGTAHeterosexual people seem to have no desire to make a public declaration and issue about who they have sex with in their bedrooms

lol, isn't that partly what marriage is? i.e., a public declaration and celebration of your heterosexuality. and then there are your wedding rings, the fact your wife puts "mrs." in front of her name (and takes your surname), etc.

A small part if any, marriage from more of a spirtitual/religious/philosophical perspective is the recoginition of the love between two people.

yes, but in practice it functions as a public celebration of normality and heterosexual values

Marriage cermonies are part of the status quo, but as for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

Please describe and show how the history of marriage celebrates hetrosexsuality.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I think it's time for the gay community to make a formal apology to all heterosexuals for going out of their way to make their sexual prefererences thrown in hetersexuals' faces all of the time.

In other words, get over yourself. Heterosexual people seem to have no desire to make a public declaration and issue about who they have sex with in their bedrooms. The reality is that most people DO NOT CARE what you do in private.

Also, please tell me what rights you are missing in 2006? Do you realize that the majority of people would not know who was gay and who wasn't if gay people didn't feel the need to broadcast their sexuality to the world?

Texas, in the past ten years just removed a state law the declared anal-sex illegal. In North Dakota, our government went over a old co-habitation law declares co-habitiation illegal, it was still renewed - thankfully it's not enforced. Most importantly, most states passed state amendments that banned gay marriage, people unforunatly do care what the homosexsual community does.

I think the opposition to gay marriage has more to do with the definition of marriage than trying to oppress gay people.

Note that any anal-sex laws and co-habitation laws affect gay AND straight people.

You have got to be kidding me...

It's still discrimination, it doesn't matter if you say "Marriage is one man one women" or "Homosexsuals cannot marry"...

The law is cleary aimed at homosexsuals, who engages in anal sex the most? Gay men! Why? They've got to put the penis in the buthole!!!1111elventlybillionsss!

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: stinkz
What exactly does our government have to apolgize for? We have given special rights to and are ready to change the definition of marriage for a small minority of people who engage in a particularly abhorrent sexual perversion.

for a start, how about the forced incarceration of homosexuals in psychiatric hospitals in the 1950s/ 60s in the USA, along with the electroshock treatment, aversion therapy, and lobotomies forced on homosexuals..? What happened to those people? Some of those men would still be alive, in their 70s, 80s.

Well they might have been trying to find a cure for the disease or something...I dunno, haven't read anything on that.

Which disease, Religion?

Maybe this will show you how some people deal with the "disease" http://www.answers.com/topic/persecution-of-christians, scroll down to soviet union part

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Tab
as for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

of course it is. if you don't see it, then forget it.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tabas for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

of course it is. if you don't see it, then forget it.

:roll:

Your certainly open minded...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tabas for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

of course it is. if you don't see it, then forget it.

:roll:

Your certainly open minded...

sorry for being close minded.

I didn't mean that people consciously think their marriage is a celebration of heterosexuality. Obviously people think their marriage is a celebration of their love. I'm just pointing out that marriage in our culture is in some ways a public endorsement of a certain way of life.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: stinkz
What exactly does our government have to apolgize for? We have given special rights to and are ready to change the definition of marriage for a small minority of people who engage in a particularly abhorrent sexual perversion.

for a start, how about the forced incarceration of homosexuals in psychiatric hospitals in the 1950s/ 60s in the USA, along with the electroshock treatment, aversion therapy, and lobotomies forced on homosexuals..? What happened to those people? Some of those men would still be alive, in their 70s, 80s.

Well they might have been trying to find a cure for the disease or something...I dunno, haven't read anything on that.

Which disease, Religion?

Maybe this will show you how some people deal with the "disease" http://www.answers.com/topic/persecution-of-christians, scroll down to soviet union part

http://www.answers.com/Manifest%20Destiny

Scroll to the part about murdering blacks and native americans *If it isn't there then just scan your memory or search for it..

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: stinkz
What exactly does our government have to apolgize for? We have given special rights to and are ready to change the definition of marriage for a small minority of people who engage in a particularly abhorrent sexual perversion.

for a start, how about the forced incarceration of homosexuals in psychiatric hospitals in the 1950s/ 60s in the USA, along with the electroshock treatment, aversion therapy, and lobotomies forced on homosexuals..? What happened to those people? Some of those men would still be alive, in their 70s, 80s.

Well they might have been trying to find a cure for the disease or something...I dunno, haven't read anything on that.

Which disease, Religion?

Maybe this will show you how some people deal with the "disease" http://www.answers.com/topic/persecution-of-christians, scroll down to soviet union part

http://www.answers.com/Manifest%20Destiny

Scroll to the part about murdering blacks and native americans *If it isn't there then just scan your memory or search for it..

So you counter his prosecution of Christians with prosecution of Natives and blacks? Awesome. No really, it was a good move.

Is there a way that specifically ties Christianity with that? If it weren't for Americans who wanted to expand, it probably wouldn't be possible for us to be here. Yes, we killed the Natives. Yes, we took their land. What do you want to do about it now?

Give back 70% of this country to them? Sure, go ahead, take it. It's only a few forests and deserts anyway.

Oh no, we're hijacking this gay thread, I mean this thread about gays.

 

[lyssword]

"a belief in the natural superiority of what was then called the "Anglo-Saxon race"

"Manifest Destiny was always a general idea rather than a specific policy."

"A vast complex of ideas, policies, and actions is comprehended under the phrase 'Manifest Destiny.' They are not, as we should expect, all compatible, nor do they come from any one source."

"It was used by people who believed that the United States was destined ? by God, SOME said ? to expand across North America"

I do not see how Christianity was specifically responsible for that. I could build same case arguing that Darwinism made European people believe that they are higher evolved than indigenous (native) americans, therefore they have the right to abuse them. "The fittest survives" right?

while the Christians suffer SPECIFICALLy for their faith, not because of their race/class/whatever labels...
http://chi.gospelcom.net/GLIMPSEF/Glimpses/glmps105.shtml

Yeah sorry I hijacked this thread, but I don't understand such hate against Christianity on P&N forums from some posters. They talk about "free thinking" and "intelligence" yet a lot of facts they learned are propaganda.
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To original poster, I believe that States, cities (maybe head of hospitals that u mentioned) where abuses against gays were done should apologize. I believe situation here in US may seem kinda difficult, but compared to rest of the world you should b glad that you are here (unless you are from another country)

 

[otispunkmeyer]

your gay

its not wrong

but it doesnt fit in with these establishments rather old traditions/beliefs/whatever

stop trying to be a drama drag queen and just get on with your ****** life for godsake

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: DAGTAHeterosexual people seem to have no desire to make a public declaration and issue about who they have sex with in their bedrooms

lol, isn't that partly what marriage is? i.e., a public declaration and celebration of your heterosexuality. and then there are your wedding rings, the fact your wife puts "mrs." in front of her name (and takes your surname), etc.

A small part if any, marriage from more of a spirtitual/religious/philosophical perspective is the recoginition of the love between two people.

I'm not talking about what the ceremony means to the people participating in it, I'm talking about unintended functions of the institution.

Still marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't think you can really comment on the "institution" of marriage after some of the stuff you have posted.

 

[OdiN]

Oh and about the disease thing....

Perhaps one day they will find the gene or whatever that has screwed you all up and be able to fix it.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Oh and about the disease thing....

Perhaps one day they will find the gene or whatever that has screwed you all up and be able to fix it.

somebody is on a high horse tonight......

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Oh and about the disease thing....

Perhaps one day they will find the gene or whatever that has screwed you all up and be able to fix it.

Evidence that "homosexsuality" is somehow a disease,sickness or genetic deficiency.

 

[DivideBYZero]

YAMTGT: Yet Another Millitant Trolling Gay Thread

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: OdiN
So...you would like the church to apologize to you because you're a sinner and continue to live in sin and be sexually immoral? Yeah..like THAT is going to happen.

I'd like governments, and churches, to apologize for killing homosexuals, torturing homosexuals, opposing equal rights for homosexuals.

I don't know of any church-sanctioned killings of homosexuals. At least nothing in any recent history that would actually matter.

gay teen boys, hung in Iran, 2005
(NSFW)

What were they hung for? How were they hung? Was it done properly? Were they well hung?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tabas for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

of course it is. if you don't see it, then forget it.

:roll:

Your certainly open minded...

What does that have to do with open mindedness?

The very fact that the institution is exclusive to Heterosexuals makes it a celebration of Heterosexuality by default.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tabas for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

of course it is. if you don't see it, then forget it.

:roll:

Your certainly open minded...

What does that have to do with open mindedness?

The very fact that the institution is exclusive to Heterosexuals makes it a celebration of Heterosexuality by default.

He isn't explaining it to me, thats why...

Bigots have forced marriage to be an hetrosexsual-only insititution that doesn't mean it actually is...

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: OdiN
So...you would like the church to apologize to you because you're a sinner and continue to live in sin and be sexually immoral? Yeah..like THAT is going to happen.

I'd like governments, and churches, to apologize for killing homosexuals, torturing homosexuals, opposing equal rights for homosexuals.

I don't know of any church-sanctioned killings of homosexuals. At least nothing in any recent history that would actually matter.

gay teen boys, hung in Iran, 2005
(NSFW)

What were they hung for? How were they hung? Was it done properly? Were they well hung?

Hahahaha!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tabas for it being part of celebration of hetrosexsual values no it's not.

of course it is. if you don't see it, then forget it.

:roll:

Your certainly open minded...

What does that have to do with open mindedness?

The very fact that the institution is exclusive to Heterosexuals makes it a celebration of Heterosexuality by default.

He isn't explaining it to me, thats why...

Bigots have forced marriage to be an hetrosexsual-only insititution that doesn't mean it actually is...

Then what is it? If only Heterosexuals are permitted to Marry and is a prerequisite to Marriage, how could it not be a celebration of Heterosexuality?

 

[imported_Phil]

You know why no-one cares, aidanjm? Because you can't just get on with your life and stop being a whiney little b!tch. The Church is not going to apologise about their alledged treatment of homosexuals just because you want them to.

"I R GAY AND I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS OR HAD BAD THOUGHTS ABOUT TEH GAYS EVAR APOLOGISE NOW OR... er..." or what?

I'm pissed that the government won't allow me multiple wives (and chicken sammichs) but I don't go around yelling about it.

 

[TStep]

I would like to take this moment to apologize for all the farts I've left in public seating.

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: TStep

I would like to take this moment to apologize for all the farts I've left in public seating.

I demand a full apology from you and the assorted churches for your treatment towards public seating! :|

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: TStep

I would like to take this moment to apologize for all the farts I've left in public seating.

that was the smell

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: stinkz
What exactly does our government have to apolgize for? We have given special rights to and are ready to change the definition of marriage for a small minority of people who engage in a particularly abhorrent sexual perversion.

for a start, how about the forced incarceration of homosexuals in psychiatric hospitals in the 1950s/ 60s in the USA, along with the electroshock treatment, aversion therapy, and lobotomies forced on homosexuals..? What happened to those people? Some of those men would still be alive, in their 70s, 80s.

Well they might have been trying to find a cure for the disease or something...I dunno, haven't read anything on that.

Which disease, Religion?

If my religion is a disease, I do not want the cure.