I think we should redefine rich as $170k or more

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Dr. Detroit

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Tax rates need to be factor in high cost of living areas like NYC, Silicon Valley, San Diego, Boston, Washington DC and the like.

$170K in po dunk Missouri goes a long ways further than $170K in the high cost of living areas.
 

davmat787

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Tax rates need to be factor in high cost of living areas like NYC, Silicon Valley, San Diego, Boston, Washington DC and the like.

$170K in po dunk Missouri goes a long ways further than $170K in the high cost of living areas.

Are you suggesting those in the higher cost of living cities like you cited should get a tax break?
 

spidey07

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Tax rates need to be factor in high cost of living areas like NYC, Silicon Valley, San Diego, Boston, Washington DC and the like.

$170K in po dunk Missouri goes a long ways further than $170K in the high cost of living areas.

You need to read the constitution. Why the high cost of living places vote democrat is beyond me. I attribute to them being fucking stupid or full of poor people. Census says it's the latter.
 

Lithium381

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You need to read the constitution. Why the high cost of living places vote democrat is beyond me. I attribute to them being fucking stupid or full of poor people. Census says it's the latter.

Poor people tend to congregate in high-cost-of-living areas, too. Why is beyond me, since it would make more sense that your limited income might be better spent elsewhere....


Dave hates America because he thought everything would be given to him. He was thinking of a different type of "free" when he imagines America.... therefore he's bitter.

Anyway, as I said before, all of Congress makes $174,000+ The VP makes $230,000. Funny how "rich" is 250 or more to avoid most of the politicians. so a new tax starting at 170 with no deductions allowed would be a conflict of interest? would it be better for them personally? would it be better for America. I wonder how they'd vote.
 

HendrixFan

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Tax rates need to be factor in high cost of living areas like NYC, Silicon Valley, San Diego, Boston, Washington DC and the like.

$170K in po dunk Missouri goes a long ways further than $170K in the high cost of living areas.

You choose to live in those areas, and your pay is regionally adjusted to reflect the higher cost of living. There is nothing that stops you from relocating to "po dunk Missouri" or elsewhere for whatever tax relief you may find. You don't, as millions others also don't, because despite the opportunity for lower taxes it isn't worth the move.

Pay is inflated in the higher cost of living areas, but you can build equity at that higher scale and then later move to a lower cost of living area and have a huge upgrade in housing. If you save a percentage of your pay in the higher payscale area, that money goes farther if you move to a lower cost of living area. Vacation and travel also see a huge benefit. Why should tax payers also have to subsidize someone's choice to live in a more expensive area?
 

Lithium381

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You choose to live in those areas, and your pay is regionally adjusted to reflect the higher cost of living. There is nothing that stops you from relocating to "po dunk Missouri" or elsewhere for whatever tax relief you may find. You don't, as millions others also don't, because despite the opportunity for lower taxes it isn't worth the move.

Pay is inflated in the higher cost of living areas, but you can build equity at that higher scale and then later move to a lower cost of living area and have a huge upgrade in housing. If you save a percentage of your pay in the higher payscale area, that money goes farther if you move to a lower cost of living area. Vacation and travel also see a huge benefit. Why should tax payers also have to subsidize someone's choice to live in a more expensive area?


Then why does it seem that the impovereshed hang around large metropolitain areas where CoL is so high? Why must I pay more in my taxes for entitlements because these people can't live in missouri?
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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America haters? Because they are successful? You are the biggest whining, woh is me, give me your money, retard on these forums. What makes you think they don't deserve what they have, and they "hate America"?

I swear if you put half the energy into improving your lot in life as you do hating on anyone that is halfway successful you might have a chance.

No, not because they are successful in amassing money.

Because they are successful in keeping their fair share from contributing to the country they are supposed to love and where they were successful in amassing said money.

You don't see the difference because you clearly hate America as well.

You think just because you got the money you feel you "deserve" that you "deserve" to not contribute to the country?
 

HendrixFan

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Then why does it seem that the impovereshed hang around large metropolitain areas where CoL is so high? Why must I pay more in my taxes for entitlements because these people can't live in missouri?

You think impoverished people live in the expensive part of metro areas? They live in large cities for two reasons, first they lack the financial mobility to relocate for better jobs and second they are able to buy cheaper housing in the older parts of town. As neighborhoods age their affordability increases. Over time the more well off buy newer homes in newer areas, poorer people buy/rent in older areas, and the poorest buy/rent in the most run down areas.

Look at some of the listings for dirt cheap housing in Detroit. You won't find anything like that in Missouri. The truth is, you pay very little for entitlements so people can "live" somewhere. Whatever you do pay, it would be more if they were to relocate out of run down urban areas.
 

ArizonaSteve

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$170K is too low. I would dramatically up the tax on income of $1 million or more, and tax all capital gains as income.
 

davmat787

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No, not because they are successful in amassing money.

Because they are successful in keeping their fair share from contributing to the country they are supposed to love and where they were successful in amassing said money.

You don't see the difference because you clearly hate America as well.

You think just because you got the money you feel you "deserve" that you "deserve" to not contribute to the country?

YOU would be fucking embarrassed of what you are saying, and it would flat out prove your wrong, if you knew anything about my personal and family history.

Quit projecting your problems and self hate on everyone else and suggesting that if someone has the fucking nerve to disagree with you and not pity you that they hate the country.

You are pathetic, and you need help.
 

Ausm

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We finally agree, Obama is a weak puke a train wreck as a president and a complete failure as a person.

As far as the republican candidates none of them are perfect but any of them will be a huge improvement over what we have, Jimmy Carter would also be an improvement.

LMAO
 

Lithium381

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You think just because you got the money you feel you "deserve" that you "deserve" to not contribute to the country?

Really? And what do you contribute dave?

You think just because you don't have the money you feel you "deserve" that you "deserve" to have things handed to you?
 

JS80

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Poor people tend to congregate in high-cost-of-living areas, too. Why is beyond me, since it would make more sense that your limited income might be better spent elsewhere....


Dave hates America because he thought everything would be given to him. He was thinking of a different type of "free" when he imagines America.... therefore he's bitter.

Anyway, as I said before, all of Congress makes $174,000+ The VP makes $230,000. Funny how "rich" is 250 or more to avoid most of the politicians. so a new tax starting at 170 with no deductions allowed would be a conflict of interest? would it be better for them personally? would it be better for America. I wonder how they'd vote.

Why not $160k?
 

Lithium381

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No, not because they are successful in amassing money.

Because they are successful in keeping their fair share from contributing to the country they are supposed to love and where they were successful in amassing said money.

You don't see the difference because you clearly hate America as well.

You think just because you got the money you feel you "deserve" that you "deserve" to not contribute to the country?

 

Londo_Jowo

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YOU would be fucking embarrassed of what you are saying, and it would flat out prove your wrong, if you knew anything about my personal and family history.

Quit projecting your problems and self hate on everyone else and suggesting that if someone has the fucking nerve to disagree with you and not pity you that they hate the country.

You are pathetic, and you need help.

So on the mark with this post. I suspect you will be the next on his ignore list. It's all good though, dave still reads the posts of people on his ignore list.
 

davmat787

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So on the mark with this post. I suspect you will be the next on his ignore list. It's all good though, dave still reads the posts of people on his ignore list.

Thank you Londo, coming from you I really appreciate it. I just think back to what my father accomplished emigrating to the USA at 19 and couldn't speak a lick of English. He certainly didn't rely on bitching and handouts and foodstamps or bitching about the Man du jour keeping him down. A hard work ethic, willingness to sacrifice, and optimism got him to where he is today.

Just think of how many people all over this world would kill to have the opportunities Dave McOwned has, but simply bitches and pisses away.

Quite disgusting actually, as is this ever prevalent attitude that shit should just fall in your lap and hard work, dedication, and perseverance is for suckers.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Thank you Londo, coming from you I really appreciate it. I just think back to what my father accomplished emigrating to the USA at 19 and couldn't speak a lick of English. He certainly didn't rely on bitching and handouts and foodstamps or bitching about the Man du jour keeping him down. A hard work ethic, willingness to sacrifice, and optimism got him to where he is today.

Just think of how many people all over this world would kill to have the opportunities Dave McOwned has, but simply bitches and pisses away.

Quite disgusting actually, as is this ever prevalent attitude that shit should just fall in your lap and hard work, dedication, and perseverance is for suckers.

I learned my work ethics from my parents. My father worked until he was too sick to work. My mother just recently retired at 72, she couldn't stand to sit around the house. I go to work many times when I'm sick, not because I want to but because I don't want to let down my coworkers who depend on me to carry my load.
 

davmat787

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I learned my work ethics from my parents. My father worked until he was too sick to work. My mother just recently retired at 72, she couldn't stand to sit around the house. I go to work many times when I'm sick, not because I want to but because I don't want to let down my coworkers who depend on me to carry my load.

My father instilled a work ethic as well as an appreciation for America. He was born in Hungary, and while beginning med school in Budapest the Soviet army invaded to claim Hungary. The initial wave was drove back, but the Soviet war machine at that point was simply too much when it returned.

Even as a student, he took up arms and was able to get a few of those Soviets from a window at his school. :awe: Many others did as well. Soviets find out his identity, so he had to escape Hungary, and fast or he surely would have died a tortuous and long death. He had a relative on the Austrian border that back dated a letter saying he would be travelling, which was enough to get him across the border. The more I hear details of the story, the more I think it make for a decent historical film, since he was among many who had to flee.

Eventually he landed in NY, and would take any job he could to begin his life over. He wasn't too proud to think that work his beneath him since he was in med school. Moved on to several places in the south, and then Gary, IN for work and learning English. As a side not, imagine that! An immigrant who felt learning the "official" language was an obligation.

After the Iron Curtain fell, my Father and bro's took a trip back to Hungary. Emotional at time for my father, afterall seeing people ripped apart literally by an angry mob will stick with you. But it was something he had too do.

This is just about as abbreviated as I can make it, but there is tons more to this story.
 

highland145

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Bottom line is that your sentiment is the same as every other rich greedy bastard.

Do you remember at what point you went from an ordinary American and loved your country to a rich greedy fuck and hate America?
Looks like AoS is counterbalancing 20+ families that have a zero or negative federal tax bill. Props to him.

And you? Why do you hate America so much?
 

Wildcard344

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What does him working hard have anything to do with his greed and hate for the country?

I work just as hard, probably harder than him.

So how much do you make and how much tax do you pay buddy? Seems to me as an interested observer that you are all mouth and no action. He doesn't seem to hate your country but rather is one of those working his arse off making a living rather than the millions of entitlement whiners over there that have never contributed to your country in the slightest. Perhaps you should tell them to get off their arses and earn the right to an entitlement.

We have a similar sort here in Australia called dole bludgers who are basically a waste of oxygen imho but the liberals jump to defend them too.

Work hard, pay a fair tax then enjoy your life. Don't work, bludge off your country and whine like a bitch at all the rich people doing you wrong. <<< Fuck them.
 

Axon

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Obama's whole campaign on this topic is incredulous to me. I make in the mid 100k range and I am taxed at nearly 45&#37; in NYC. I certainly do not have an extravagant lifestyle. Sure, I ain't starving, but combine student loan, rent, regular expenses, that money goes.

Also, facts are facts: the top earners in the US pay most of the taxes. Wealthy people are not dodging taxes like Neo dodges bullets. Slapping additional taxes on top earners is just a surcharge for being successful. I hate being taxed as well, as I described above, but that's not our problem in this country. Our problem is spending and entitlement.
 

Lithium381

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More like $120,000

although you do have a point:

anything above the poverty line should be considered "rich" and should be taxed at least 150% in the mind of obama, that's the only way to equalize the country and make sure the "average american" doesn't struggle(ie have to work) daily.
 

Mike Gayner

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although you do have a point:

anything above the poverty line should be considered "rich" and should be taxed at least 150% in the mind of obama, that's the only way to equalize the country and make sure the "average american" doesn't struggle(ie have to work) daily.

wut?
 
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