I thought that European governments understood very well the dangers of appeasement.

[Random Variable]

But apparently they have very short memories.

 

[glenn1]

Who exactly are they appeasing? I'll withhold judgement of whether i believe they are or not pending that identification...

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Who exactly are they appeasing? I'll withhold judgement of whether i believe they are or not pending that identification... >>



Well, the historical reference is the Nazis of course...

 

[Random Variable]

<< Who exactly are they appeasing? I'll withhold judgement of whether i believe they are or not pending that identification... >>


It was a general statement about how they (European governments) want us (the United States) to pretend that there aren't oppressive regimes in Iraq, Iran and North Korea. And pretend that the aforementioned countries don't present a danger to the world. It's like they don't want us to offend them.

 

[JellyBaby]

Socialist ego cannot be underestimated.

 

[Nemesis77]

Give it a rest already! Or are you just wishing for another flame-war?

 

[astriy]

<< Give it a rest already! Or are you just wishing for another flame-war? >>



Oh now you want him to appease you?

 

[Amused]

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<< Give it a rest already! Or are you just wishing for another flame-war? >>



Oh now you want him to appease you?

>>



Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

 

[joohang]

<< Oh now you want him to appease you?

>>


LOL

(no comments on the original topic)

 

[Rison]

Europe is a proud continent with a rich and violent history. They don't want anyone else dictating how the world should be run. Their arrogance is still high even after three defeats at the hands of the U.S. (WWI, WWII, and the Cold War). Someday, they'll realize they're not the center of attention anymore.

 

[Nemesis77]

<< Europe is a proud continent with a rich and violent history. They don't want anyone else dictating how the world should be run. Their arrogance is still high even after three defeats at the hands of the U.S. (WWI, WWII, and the Cold War). Someday, they'll realize they're not the center of attention anymore. >>



How was Europe "defeated" at the hands of USA in WW1 WW2 and Cold War? WW1 and 2 were not wars between USA and Europe, it was war between Allied and USSR against Germany (USSR doing most of the fighting in WW2). And in Cold war, about half of Europe (the western half) were at your side! There was this thing called NATO, remember?

 

[astriy]

<< Europe is a proud continent with a rich and violent history. They don't want anyone else dictating how the world should be run. Their arrogance is still high even after three defeats at the hands of the U.S. (WWI, WWII, and the Cold War). Someday, they'll realize they're not the center of attention anymore. >>



Don't forget the Revolutionary, Spanish-American, and the War of 1812. America kicked Euro ass plenty of times.

 

[Nemesis77]

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<< Give it a rest already! Or are you just wishing for another flame-war? >>



Oh now you want him to appease you?

>>



I just find it rather weird that some people keep on posting threads about these kinds of things, over and over and over again... With full knowledge that it will propably degenerate in to arguing, shouting and flaming.

 

[Random Variable]

<< Give it a rest already! Or are you just wishing for another flame-war? >>


Please don't get mad. I just want to be your friend. Can I get you something to drink or something to munch on?

 

[b0mbrman]

<< How was Europe "defeated" at the hands of USA in WW1 WW2 and Cold War? WW1 and 2 were not wars between USA and Europe, it was war between Allied and USSR against Germany (USSR doing most of the fighting in WW2). And in Cold war, about half of Europe (the western half) were at your side! There was this thing called NATO, remember? >>



Okay, I'm gonna agree with you for all of that except for the bold part.

If dying equates to fighting, then you're correct...but as for putting the biggest dent in the Axis, you are wrong.

 

[Random Variable]

<< I just find it rather weird that some people keep on posting threads about these kinds of things, over and over and over again... With full knowledge that it will propably degenerate in to arguing, shouting and flaming. >>


Someone else brought up the concept of appeasement?

 

[astriy]

If it wasn't for Russia, no way would the Germans have been stopped from taking all of Western Europe. They probably wouldn't be able take the Continental US and eventually with US help and guerilla uprisings they could be knocked off from power in Europe, but at least for a while they would control all of Europe.

 

[Martin]

<< even after three defeats at the hands of the U.S. >>



Lol. So let me get this right. If a team wins, then one person can claim he has defeated his team mates?


I guess the US should be fearful, seeing as how they've been defeated 6 times by canada, right?

 

[Nemesis77]

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<< How was Europe "defeated" at the hands of USA in WW1 WW2 and Cold War? WW1 and 2 were not wars between USA and Europe, it was war between Allied and USSR against Germany (USSR doing most of the fighting in WW2). And in Cold war, about half of Europe (the western half) were at your side! There was this thing called NATO, remember? >>



Okay, I'm gonna agree with you for all of that except for the bold part.

If dying equates to fighting, then you're correct...but as for putting the biggest dent in the Axis, you are wrong. >>



No I'm not. Wehrmach suffered it's biggest losses in the eastern-front. And you must also remember that allied went in to full-force with Germany only after Overlord. Byt that time, USSR had already fought the germans for a long time. And even after Overlord, about 70% of germans troops were in the eastern-front and not fighting against the allied in the west.

 

[Rison]

nemesis77, all those wars were ideological as well as physical. WWI was a battle against the monarchy. After that war, a lot of the monarchies lost a lot of their powers. WWII was the battle against socialism and racism. Europe was a hotbed (and still is) of those two. Again, we defeated the source of that problem. The Cold War was against commumism and socialism (again), and it was dealt with. Now, the whole world is following our drumbeat, the beat of freedom and capitalism. Nothing beats that combo.

To be fair, the Euros were right that, theoritically speaking, communism was a great idea. But in practice it was a disaster because they forgot to add human nature to the recipe.

 

[Martin]

<< Don't forget the Revolutionary, Spanish-American, and the War of 1812. America kicked Euro ass plenty of times. >>




You mean the war of 1812 where the US tried in vain to invade Canada but failed? I guess you think you guys won in Vietnam too, right?

 

[Nemesis77]

<< nemesis77, all those wars were ideological as well as physical. WWI was a battle against the monarchy. After that war, a lot of the monarchies lost a lot of their powers. WWII was the battle against socialism and racism. Europe was a hotbed (and still is) of those two. Again, we defeated the source of that problem. >>



yes you did. Together with UK, France and USSR (not to mention several other nations.



<< [The Cold War was against commumism and socialism (again), and it was dealt with. >>



Yes, and western Europe was at your side. So, how exactly was Europe "defeated at the hand of USA" there, when half of Europe were fighting the fight together with you against Communism?



<< To be fair, the Euros were right that, theoritically speaking, communism was a great idea. But in practice it was a disaster because they forgot to add human nature to the recipe. >>



Shouldn't you say that "Soviet Union was right"? There is no communism in Europe! All countries here are democratic countries with free and open markets! None of them have communism as their form of government!

EDIT: fixed quoting

 

[Martin]

<< WWII was the battle against socialism and racism. Europe was a hotbed (and still is) of those two. >>



Well, how nice of you to ignore the fact that the civil rights movement didn't start until well after the war and that during the 40s blacks and "coloureds" were 2nd class citizens.

And you guys still have a long way to go. My parents have friends from Georgia and some of the stuff that they tell (regular day-to-day stuff) would never happen up here. And if it did, it would probably be some huge scandal.

 

[Rison]

nemesis77, when I say Europe, I mean that it was a source of the ideology. It was the Europeans that formulated all those racist, socialist, and communistic ideals. It was Europe that spread it across the globe. Marx and Engel were Europeans. Europe is the home of all those ills. Hence, I say Europe. While governments from over ther may have fought with us, it was a homegrown (yours) problem.

It's like when a family has a maniaK in their home and they invite the neighbors to neutralize it. While the kins may have fought alongside the neighbors, the ill is still associated with them.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< (USSR doing most of the fighting in WW2) >>


Actually, that is categorically incorrect. Yes, Russia did a large percentage of the fighting in the European theatre, but, when you add the Pacific theatre into the fold, the U.S. did the most overall fighting during WWII................