Originally posted by: Xavier434
Benefits? There is no financial benefit to get married after you crunch the numbers anymore for most people.
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Benefits? There is no financial benefit to get married after you crunch the numbers anymore for most people.
Yes there is. If the whole domestic partnership thing didn't exist, to share your benefits, you'd have to get married. Therefore, being able to "share" the benefits is considered an advantage to being married. That is why I mentioned the domestic partnership is literally a way for you to cherry pick a good aspect of marriage (being able to provide benefits from one of the people) and apply it without having to take all the negative aspects (losing the financial aid, losing money from taxes, etc).
I also don't think what you're doing is necessarily right... you don't have a partnership, it's a relationship. I'm looking at it from a progression like ... friendship -> partnership -> relationship -> marriage/union. Now, you may not agree with that and you're welcome to think whatever you want. It's just my opinion.
Originally posted by: Xavier434
You have absolutely no experience with this issue. You have no wife/domestic partnership or children. How could you possibly understand or draw such a conclusion and deem it educated?
Also, why should I be pressured so much to be legally recognized by the state as married? Why is that the right thing to do to people? Why is what I am doing wrong?
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Then you voted for a mental midget who lost.
Originally posted by: Xavier434
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Also, why should I be pressured so much to be legally recognized by the state as married? Why is that the right thing to do to people? Why is what I am doing wrong?
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Xavier434
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Also, why should I be pressured so much to be legally recognized by the state as married? Why is that the right thing to do to people? Why is what I am doing wrong?
Looks to me like you want the best of both worlds, without the responsibility etc.
Look to me like you're trying the game the system, grab *handouts* that are *free* to you but others are paying for.
You want to be *non-married* in order to get collge money, save taxes, and insurance benefits. But then you also want the benefits of being married to have somebody else pay HI for the kid.
Personally, I've thought that only the employee should be covered, with an option to purchase HI for their spouse and kids out of their own (before tax) money. When I was an employee I was single for the most part and didn't much care for the fact that married employees with kids got more benefits than me (more expensive HI). But there's no reason to run around calling calling other people bigots because of it. You do know that employers can include *domestic partners* if they want to? There is nothing stopping them. Disney has long provided HI to gay (unmarried) couples. I'm just against the government making them do it.
Again, man-up, quit hating on people because you're not given even more free stuff, and take responsibility for your personal decisions.
It's not up to the government, and by extension the rest of us as taxpayers, to support your lifestyle and material desires.
If your girlfriend is a student with litle income, it seems to me the kid would be covered by Medicaid anyway (as well a whole bunch of other support like Food stamps and WIC etc).
Fern
Originally posted by: Stifko
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Then you voted for a mental midget who lost.
agreed, and aren't you a New Yorker? If so, your vote was among the 20% of New Yorkers that voted McCain.
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
It is rev. Wright's fault, he invoked god to damn America after all.
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Stifko
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Then you voted for a mental midget who lost.
agreed, and aren't you a New Yorker? If so, your vote was among the 20% of New Yorkers that voted McCain.
New Yorker by birth. I live in NJ which also goes Dem all the time. And I certainly don't agree that McCain is a mental midget. He was outclassed by the slick and well-funded Obama campaign, but in truth I believe that whoever won the Dem. nomination could have pulled this off.
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Stifko
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Then you voted for a mental midget who lost.
agreed, and aren't you a New Yorker? If so, your vote was among the 20% of New Yorkers that voted McCain.
New Yorker by birth. I live in NJ which also goes Dem all the time. And I certainly don't agree that McCain is a mental midget. He was outclassed by the slick and well-funded Obama campaign, but in truth I believe that whoever won the Dem. nomination could have pulled this off.
When the last month of your campaign consists of throwing guilt by association attacks at your opponent instead of pushing your own ideas and plans, I believe you would be considered a mental midget.
Originally posted by: ThePresence
And I would again, if he were running against an unknown such as Obama.
However, I must say I have never seen such emotion, such an outpouring of fervor for a man. I missed JFK, so I have never seen a man able to move so many so much with his words. He has an inborn power to move people, even if he were white. It's not his color, it's his skill and talent. I am fearful of what he will do but I hope he does well. All Americans should hope for that, regardless of party and color.
Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Xavier434
You have absolutely no experience with this issue. You have no wife/domestic partnership or children. How could you possibly understand or draw such a conclusion and deem it educated?
Also, why should I be pressured so much to be legally recognized by the state as married? Why is that the right thing to do to people? Why is what I am doing wrong?
So, which of the following statements are not true then?
1) You love your girlfriend and do want to get married
2) While marriage provides the same ability to provide benefits with your spouse and child, you take losses in other areas financially.
3) The domestic partnership provides the same ability to provide benefits with your partner and child, but you do not incur the same financial losses.
4) Essentially, marriage is only a term and one can live the same life that they would married or not. You even call her your wife quite often in various threads (usually in L&R).
I don't see where I'm going wrong here .
Originally posted by: Fern
Looks to me like you want the best of both worlds, without the responsibility etc.
Originally posted by: Fern
Look to me like you're trying the game the system, grab *handouts* that are *free* to you but others are paying for.
Originally posted by: Fern
You want to be *non-married* in order to get collge money, save taxes, and insurance benefits. But then you also want the benefits of being married to have somebody else pay HI for the kid.
Originally posted by: Fern
Again, man-up, quit hating on people because you're not given even more free stuff, and take responsibility for your personal decisions.
Originally posted by: Fern
If your girlfriend is a student with litle income, it seems to me the kid would be covered by Medicaid anyway (as well a whole bunch of other support like Food stamps and WIC etc).
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Then you voted for a mental midget who lost.
you actually think it was easy for a minority to win the US election? a large percentage of voters in this country will only vote for a white christian male, that includes some from the left as well.Originally posted by: ScottMac
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Then you voted for a mental midget who lost.
That doesn't say much then for BHO ... after all the money he spent, all the people acting to get out the vote and do other campaign chores, with the press 62% or more in his favor (according to Dems that were polled) ... with economic and political conditions in his favor, all he could pull out against a "mental midget" is ~5 points lead?
He (BHO, the one, that one) must really suck then if that's all he could get for all that time, money, and efforts of so many people (not to mention Oprah herself!!).