I want a shotgun

[KillerCharlie]

I want to get into trap shooting but I'm not even sure where to start when it comes to buying shotguns. What should I get? I can't imagine using it for anything other than trap shooting (maybe home defense some day, but I wouldn't want to get a shorter barrel just for that... plus I already have pistols).

 

[SoulAssassin]

mossburg 500 or remington 870

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[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
mossburg 500 or remington 870

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Pretty much, you can't go wrong for general use with a Mossberg500/Maverick 88(same gun, same manufacturer, slightly different features, lower price) or a Remington 870(870 Express model offered at a lower price point).

The mossberg/maverick will probably be more reliable and the remington is probably more popular but we're splitting hairs here(as in 1 jam in 10000 rounds versus no jams). Both are battle tested and work fine.

Price both out, see what you can get them for, the mossberg will probably cost less, so I'd probably go with the mossberg.

 

[TonyG]

Yeah, mossberg 500, you can very easily swap from a longer barrel for trap shooting to a short barrel for home defense, to a .50 cal inline black powder barrel, all be unscrewing one screw.

 

[KillerCharlie]

Hmmm, I think this is what I want?
http://www.ableammo.com/catalo....php?products_id=84708

 

[paulney]

Guys, why are shotguns still offered with wooden stock? For aesthetics? I thought synthetic stock would be a much more comfortable, utilitarian feature. Also, it looks much better than wood, IMO. Wood is just so.... WWII..

 

[KillerCharlie]

Well I do like the look and feel of synthetic anyway... I wonder if I can find the above with synthetic.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: paulney
Guys, why are shotguns still offered with wooden stock? For aesthetics? I thought synthetic stock would be a much more comfortable, utilitarian feature. Also, it looks much better than wood, IMO. Wood is just so.... WWII..

People like wood. It looks nice, feels nice and can be resurfaced.

Synthetic stocks don't warp and give the "tactical" look but on a shotgun, just go with whatever floats your boat. The Mossberg 590 Tactical has a synthetic stock IIRC.

As for your question killercharlie, go to a gun store and test them out, the biggest difference is really just where the safety is. When you come this close to splitting hairs, it just comes down to ergos, whatever feels more natural to you like the safety, action release, etc.

After that, then it just comes down to looks, the 870 is prettier, but eh, if I wanted a nice looking shotgun for epenor reasons, I'd probably say screw it and get something like a G36.

 

[Newbian]

Just make sure you have a faster gun for when the zombies swarm.

 

[TonyG]

You might want to hit a few pawnshops in your area, as you can probably find a good deal on a used 500 or 870. I am partial to the 500, simply because that is what I have...
Once you have either one, you can purchase folding stocks, or black plastic fixed stocks, pistol grips, extended mag tubes, and many other accessories for either one. It just depends on what you want to do with it, though most of the accessories will be very easy to swap around, so keep it in home defense dress 90+ percent of the time and the other times you are trap shooting, just put the wood outfit and long barrel back on. Price wise, $280 doesn't seem like too bad of a price with the both barrels, but I haven't priced them in a long time, as my 500 was a given too me by my ex-girlfriends family, as they inherited it, but were not enthralled by the thought of having it.

 

[TonyG]

Originally posted by: Newbian
Just make sure you have a faster gun for when the zombies swarm.

Lets think Saiga 12g loaded with rifled slugs or 00 buckshot...

 

[Auggie]

Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

That's a reasonable point.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

Is this really an issue? I mean, maybe it is... but really?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

Very on the spot. I don't think a lot of people think about that, but yeah if you have something with ghost ring sights, bayonet lugs and a matte black finish, it's going to look a lot worse for you in a retarded jury compared to something that looks like dad's old farm shotgun.

It's not I wouldn't be surprised if the gun was mentioned in intent arguments, i would be surprised if some idiot doesn't bring up something that looks like a Bernelli M4 that looks a lot more threatening than daddy's old 500 actually causes you problems during jury debate.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

I've always wondered what the rules are for shooting an intruder.

I live in WA, if I see someone break into my house and is in the act of stealing my shit, can i just shoot his ass. If he's running away, can i shoot him anyways as long as he's in my house?

 

[KillerCharlie]

I'm assuming I want 12 gauge for trap shooting?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Newbian
Just make sure you have a faster gun for when the zombies swarm.

Speed Cola

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

I've always wondered what the rules are for shooting an intruder.

I live in WA, if I see someone break into my house and is in the act of stealing my shit, can i just shoot his ass. If he's running away, can i shoot him anyways as long as he's in my house?

I AM NOT A LAWYER. THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.

I think that in most states, you can only use deadly force to defend your life or the life of another person. So yeah, if the guy is running out of your house and you shoot him in the back, you might be fucked. Texas may be different.

 

[Kirby]

Can't go wrong with a Winchester Defender 1300.

 

[Riverhound777]

I would also take into account shooting more than one clay at a time (doubles). If your using a pump, it is a lot harder and may jam. If you are serious about trap shooting (I shot trap starting at age 13 till I was 20) you may want to consider a double barrel gun (over/under), or a semi-auto. They do cost a lot more though. I would suggest renting, or borrowing to see if you are serious, and then save up for a nicer gun.

 

[jgigz]

I bought my remington model 1100 probably about 8 years ago for 350$ from walmart. Has screw in chockes (came with skeet, modified and full) as well as a barrel plug. I hunt and shoot skeet with the gun as well, and it has never jammed and I've yet to have a problem with it. My dad has had an older model 1100 for 20 something years, and he has only had to replace the springs once, and that was under heavy use.

On another note, 12g would be good if you're willing to get into reloading. You can load 7/8th ounce loads which are the most economical loads for sport shooting.

Should look into an 1100 IMO.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

Get that shit out of here. In more and more states, laws are being passed (even in Cali) that if you shoot someone in your home it's a good shoot.
Pick the best tool for the job.

OP, if you want a trap\skeet gun, You're going to want a SxS, Over/Under, or Semi Auto. Racking the slide will add time to your shots.
I'm looking at getting one of theseXtrema2

 

[JulesMaximus]

Beretta O/U 20 gauge.

Like this one!

Sure they cost well over $1000 new but if you're going to look good down at the trap shooting range you really want to have the best! 2 Shots, no waiting. I have one myself and it is hands down the best shotgun I've ever owned.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Auggie
Be warned that if you pull out Old Trusty and have to use it for home defense - you'll face the evaluation from detectives and a DA, or even of a jury of your peers. Do you want them seeing some uber-sleek synthetic tactical shit on your shotgun? (Oh, he's a trained killer, that makes me uncomfortable, he probably killed the guy on purpose even after the danger was gone.) Or do you want them to pull out a shotgun that reminds them of the one their dad used to have?

Get that shit out of here. In more and more states, laws are being passed (even in Cali) that if you shoot someone in your home it's a good shoot.
Pick the best tool for the job.

OP, if you want a trap\skeet gun, You're going to want a SxS, Over/Under, or Semi Auto. Racking the slide will add time to your shots.
I'm looking at getting one of theseXtrema2

He does have a point, though. Don't forget that you can often be sued civilly, regardless of the criminal outcome.