I want my kids to go to JESUS CAMP.

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Aharami
american al queda at work

while i don't agree with the brainwashing occuring in the video OP linked i don't see it as Al Queda comparible either.
the lady with the water bottle isn't telling them to kill innocent people in the name of their god.

If you watch the related video she does ask if they are ready to die for Jesus and why they're not on the train yet or something.

I don't think the "die for Jesus" thing is a metaphor to these people.

well "die for Jesus" is not the same as killing for him.

and i'm not condoning either scenerio.

 

[dighn]

jesus akbar

 

[Fenixgoon]

what got me most was the girl who liked dancing.. "sometimes i dance for the flesh".. wtf? she's like 9 years old. htf does she "dance for the flesh"? she's no stripper. if she likes dancing, then dance. wtf cares?

<---- highly, especially since i'm catholic (no, im not a religious nut)

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: pkananen
Jesus said his followers were in God's army, and they must die for their faith. They are doing as all Christians are called to do. I am not ashamed of this.

Uhh... refresh my memory - in what book and verse did Jesus say this?

 

[JackBurton]

Brainwashing is bad, Mmmmk?

Can we just put the Muslims and the Christians together and let them fight it out? I just want to sit in the stands and watch this go down, all while laughing hysterically.

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Aharami
american al queda at work

while i don't agree with the brainwashing occuring in the video OP linked i don't see it as Al Queda comparible either.
the lady with the water bottle isn't telling them to kill innocent people in the name of their god.

If you watch the related video she does ask if they are ready to die for Jesus and why they're not on the train yet or something.

I don't think the "die for Jesus" thing is a metaphor to these people.

i agree that putting young kids that can't truly think for themselves yet in camp like this is crazy.

and of course dying for Jesus isn't a metaphor, most of the 12 disciples were willingly martyred for Christ. or did your church upbringing shun the lives and actions of the early believers? paul said, "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain." or maybe your church didn't mention that either.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
what got me most was the girl who liked dancing.. "sometimes i dance for the flesh".. wtf? she's like 9 years old. htf does she "dance for the flesh"? she's no stripper. if she likes dancing, then dance. wtf cares?

<---- highly, especially since i'm catholic (no, im not a religious nut)

LOL, man that cracks me up. "Sometimes I dance for the flesh..." LOL, man, I'm dying laughing. Hey, it's the only thing you can do. I've found dumb people LOVE being dumb, so don't try and convince them otherwise. LOL, "dance for the flesh.." That's great... Ahhhh, Christians are funny.

 

[GeNome]

Jesus. If this is the generation that'll be running the country in ~50 years, I'm gone. No chance in hell I'm going to stay around and watch the sh*t hit the fan.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: uhohs
and of course dying for Jesus isn't a metaphor, most of the 12 disciples were willingly martyred for Christ. or did your church upbringing shun the lives and actions of the early believers? paul said, "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain." or maybe your church didn't mention that either.

My church taught that Christians at the time were persecuted, and died as martyrs.

What they also taught is that the world is nothing like that now and that Christianity is a message of forgiveness, to forgive those who persecuted Christ and to look out for the little guy.

My church also taught that when someone raises a fist you turn the other cheek, my church was completely and utterly disgusted with violence be it physical, verbal, you name it. That aggression is never the answer and that this world will only become a decent place through co-operation and resolving differences.

I don't hold those particular beliefs anymore, but the philosophy is sound. This sort of BS is just utterly psychotic and absolutely anti-Christian in my eyes. If Jesus had a grave he would be SPINNING in it.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: pkananen
Jesus said his followers were in God's army, and they must die for their faith. They are doing as all Christians are called to do. I am not ashamed of this.

Uhh... refresh my memory - in what book and verse did Jesus say this?

The Beautitudes

and it's not a must, but to be willing to die for him

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: pkananen
Jesus said his followers were in God's army, and they must die for their faith. They are doing as all Christians are called to do. I am not ashamed of this.

Uhh... refresh my memory - in what book and verse did Jesus say this?

Seriously - back up the statement you made.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: GeNome
Jesus. If this is the generation that'll be running the country in ~50 years, I'm gone. No chance in hell I'm going to stay around and watch the sh*t hit the fan.

Dude, the sh!t has already been hitting the fan. The REALLY large chucks just haven't come around yet. But rest assured, they're coming.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: pkananen
Jesus said his followers were in God's army, and they must die for their faith. They are doing as all Christians are called to do. I am not ashamed of this.

Uhh... refresh my memory - in what book and verse did Jesus say this?

The Beautitudes

and it's not a must, but to be willing to die for him

From the NIV version:

1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.



Now where in that section does it say that Christians are part of an army? Where does it say that a Christian must die for their faith?

 

[Tbirdkid]

oh, for some reason i was thinking this was going to be about the catholics and their boy fondling! my bad...

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
oh, for some reason i was thinking this was going to be about the catholics and their boy fondling! my bad...

fvck off with your generalizations. :|

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

A lot of Christians don't know what the Bible actually says. Pity.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

A lot of Christians don't know what the Bible actually says. Pity.

it's open to interpretation like any book is.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

A lot of Christians don't know what the Bible actually says. Pity.

it's open to interpretation like any book is.

True, but while there are differences of opinion about interpretation among Christians, thats not what I'm getting at. A lot of Christians I know either haven't read the Bible, or their reading comprehension sucks beyond belief. There are many things in the Bible that are pretty clear, yet many Christians don't seem to know and follow those parts. I'll give examples if anyone is interested.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

A lot of Christians don't know what the Bible actually says. Pity.

it's open to interpretation like any book is.

True, but while there are differences of opinion about interpretation among Christians, thats not what I'm getting at. A lot of Christians I know either haven't read the Bible, or their reading comprehension sucks beyond belief.

well something is being interpreted right, because Christians are a pretty good group on the whole.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: pkananen
Jesus said his followers were in God's army, and they must die for their faith. They are doing as all Christians are called to do. I am not ashamed of this.

Uhh... refresh my memory - in what book and verse did Jesus say this?

The Beautitudes

and it's not a must, but to be willing to die for him

From the NIV version:

1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.



Now where in that section does it say that Christians are part of an army? Where does it say that a Christian must die for their faith?

I never said we had to die for our faith :roll: I said to be willing to die for you, and the soldier metaphor is the idea that we will fight sin and other stuff, but no, the Beautitudes don't support that, nor do I support that idea either.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

A lot of Christians don't know what the Bible actually says. Pity.

it's open to interpretation like any book is.

True, but while there are differences of opinion about interpretation among Christians, thats not what I'm getting at. A lot of Christians I know either haven't read the Bible, or their reading comprehension sucks beyond belief.

well something is being interpreted right, because Christians are a pretty good group on the whole.

Sure they are, sure they are.

 

[Tbirdkid]

OOH a little touchy about that one... (fvck off with your generalizations.)
Dont get em in a wad...

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: NuclearNed

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

That is exactly what my church taught, not this psychofundie fascist crap.

A lot of Christians don't know what the Bible actually says. Pity.

it's open to interpretation like any book is.

True, but while there are differences of opinion about interpretation among Christians, thats not what I'm getting at. A lot of Christians I know either haven't read the Bible, or their reading comprehension sucks beyond belief.

well something is being interpreted right, because Christians are a pretty good group on the whole.

I totally agree, and I'm glad to be one. But at the same time I have gripes with lots of things that many Christians do.

 

[Rubycon]

Jesus!

:laugh:

:shocked: