I want my OLED!

OptimisTech

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Just a curious question for those more in the know then I.

Three years ago everyone was talking about OLED screens and how awesome they were going to be. Normally, I would chalk it up to vaporwear, but I remember reading about someone (Samsung, I think...) demoing a 19" OLED screen at CES. But every search I do now only turns up three year old articles and cell phone screens.

Does anyone know what happened to apparently derail OLED development? Are they just stuck at 3" screens?
 

Aikouka

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If I recall, the lifetime of the photogenic cells was never that great, but they're still improving on it. I think Sony showed some OLED FPDs off at CES.
 

xtknight

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They are still working on the lifetime of the blue emitter, but Sony (actual panel from Samsung SDI I assume) has demonstrated a 1000000:1 contrast OLED.
 

JungleMan1

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I know this isn't that relevant but my LG VX8300 phone has an OLED external screen and some other screen for the main screen. There is no comparison between the two, the OLED looks amazing and is totally viewable from any angle. I hope we can get this in desktop monitors.
 

jjzelinski

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I'm just about literally waiting on the edge of my proverbial seat for this technology, but unfortunately there are some strategic hurdles that are hindering its widespread adoption. From what I've read, the major display manufacturers fully intend on adopting OLED technology as it is superior to LCD's and even plasma in just about every way. Better contrast rations, more responsive, more efficient, better inherent color gamut, hell, the stuff can in theory be used as wallpaper or even a billboard. Most importantly, it's actually CHEAPER than LCD's are to manufacture. Or at least they will be, once the factories are converted over at great cost to produce OLED displays. That's the kicker. For the time being, even though LCD's are more expensive to manufacture since they require several major components (glass, several layers of crystal, fluorescent tubes, etc.) the manufacturing conversion to produce LCD's has already occurred so now they must fully recoup their investment in these facilities and allow the technology to mature more fully before they're willing to incur the expense of yet another facility conversion.

As for the manufacturing difficulties OLED's face, those have largely been eliminated. The biggest issue OLED manufacturing faced was the rigor with which facility sterility was ensured in order to prevent the carbon-based displays from being contaminated with foreign "stuff" that would literally cause the displays to "rot". A "clean" environment" is an expensive environment, therefore OLED's were an expensive technology to produce. Fortunately, a couple of years back a technique was devised that involved using a protective spray-on sealant that was applied to the displays directly after the manufacturing process largely eliminating the single biggest issue (rot) with OLED adoption.

Although the technology has now improved to be considered not only feasible, but inevitable by some accounts, it is not without it's issues. The life span of OLED based displays is still relatively short at 7 years (last I'd read), but that is not necessarily a bad thing for consumers and DEFINATELY not a bad thing for manufacturers. If everyone adopts this technology (which I hope they/we do) then periodically consumers will have to ?refresh? their purchase, thereby sustaining the profitability of the market indefinitely. With consumers purchasing displays at periodic intervals, hopefully that will translate into a continuous reduction in cost since so many panels will be purchased throughout the lifespan of OLED technology.

To me, seven years is not that bad for having to repurchase a display since most of us have probably purchased several iterations of displays within the last seven years anyways. So, at worst, arguing against OLED?s due to limited their limited life-cycles is a moot point and, at best, it?s a good thing for both the industry and the consumer.

Anyhow, long story short, the technology is awesome; it?s just waiting for the LCD market to fully mature and retire.
 

Zebo

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Nice synopsis jjzelinski How much better response? Now that SED is DOA we really need something to replace slow LCD's
 

derail

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Yes but one thing I would like to point out I woulkd like to see the life span improve. You say seven years is good i agree it seems to be better than the curent life spans of LCD's and Plasmas but I paid $900 about 25 years ago for a CRT tv that was top of the line at its time a Curtis Mathis and nerver had any problems with it untill about 4 years agao and when it finaly got to were the tube was geting weak and i made some $ from saling a hous e I bought a HDTV that was not top of the line for twice the cost of the CRT I had.

Once the bulb goes out that will be a easy but expensive repair the life span and dead pixels on these new HDTV's need to last longer for the price they ask.
 

OptimisTech

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Thanks for the great responses. Esp jjzelinski! Nice to know this tech is at least still being developed. Like Zebo, I went looking around after reading about the SED deal going south.
 

CP5670

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hell, the stuff can in theory be used as wallpaper or even a billboard.

I think this will be a key factor in driving R&D progress with OLEDs. If their only attraction was their superior image and motion quality, as was the case with SEDs, they wouldn't really be a commercial success over LCDs since the vast majority of people unfortunately don't care about those things.
 

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Being a student majoring in graphics design, and somewhat of a "gamer" that loves pretty graphics, I care a lot about color depth. I have tried playing my favorite fps css on a 5ms samsung and every time I turned, it felt like player was on LSD due to the ghosting. Also, the colors were more washed out than on my old crt. My refusal to compromise image quality for a larger screened, thinner, more attractive looking monitor is the reason why im still using a crt. If OLED's can give me what im looking for, the price would be justified.
 

OptimisTech

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Originally posted by: enz660hp
Being a student majoring in graphics design, and somewhat of a "gamer" that loves pretty graphics, I care a lot about color depth. I have tried playing my favorite fps css on a 5ms samsung and every time I turned, it felt like player was on LSD due to the ghosting. Also, the colors were more washed out than on my old crt. My refusal to compromise image quality for a larger screened, thinner, more attractive looking monitor is the reason why im still using a crt. If OLED's can give me what im looking for, the price would be justified.

I have to admit, there are times when I miss my old 19" trinitron for these very reasons. I was lucky to get in on the Dell 2405 when they were bundling them with the Dim9100 for $890, but gaming was a more pleasant experience on my CRT. I tried switching back briefly, but was overridden by my entire household. The P990 I used to use was a GREAT looking monitor.
 

nanaki333

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most people see those washing and ghosting effects in games because they want to. you try harder to find the flaws in your monitor rather than enjoy a game. my acer looks great. i'm sure there's ghosting on it as well, but i'm too busy enjoying the game to care.
 

enz660hp

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Originally posted by: nanaki333
most people see those washing and ghosting effects in games because they want to. you try harder to find the flaws in your monitor rather than enjoy a game. my acer looks great. i'm sure there's ghosting on it as well, but i'm too busy enjoying the game to care.

everyone looks for flaws when they upgrade, its natural. In my case, I found one. If it was truly an upgrade, it would not exist. IMHO, this is how everyone should upgrade, and probably how most already do. Some people have sensitive eyes (me) and notice many minor details that others would simply be blind to..
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Nice synopsis jjzelinski How much better response? Now that SED is DOA we really need something to replace slow LCD's

If it's anything like the nature of a typical LED, just about instantaneous.

Just checked teh article clandren posted above, the 17" Sumsung OLED sports a .01ms response time.... sweet

On the other hand that particular model only displayed 216k colors, hope that's [not] the technology's limit
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: nanaki333
most people see those washing and ghosting effects in games because they want to. you try harder to find the flaws in your monitor rather than enjoy a game. my acer looks great. i'm sure there's ghosting on it as well, but i'm too busy enjoying the game to care.

Obviously blind in more ways than one.. How can you enjoy a RTS like titan quest when you must stop walking to actually see what items are laying on the ground? How can you enjoy any game that looks blurry not sharp when moving? I own the fastest LCD out and it sucks when gaming. Unless you have Acer Ferrari 20" I laughed when you said Acer and great in the same sentence.
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: nanaki333
most people see those washing and ghosting effects in games because they want to. you try harder to find the flaws in your monitor rather than enjoy a game. my acer looks great. i'm sure there's ghosting on it as well, but i'm too busy enjoying the game to care.

Obviously blind in more ways than one.. How can you enjoy a RTS like titan quest when you must stop walking to actually see what items are laying on the ground? How can you enjoy any game that looks blurry not sharp when moving? I own the fastest LCD out and it sucks when gaming. Unless you have Acer Ferrari 20" I laughed when you said Acer and great in the same sentence.

Well, to each their own. But I never have a problem finding items. Though I don't play TQ, I can't say it would be a problem. I have never played a game that I needed to stop in order to get a clear image.
 

nanaki333

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i've never played TQ either, but every game i've played, i've never had any issues like that.

legolis! what do your elf eyes see?
 

Gourd

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I think it, like a /lot/ of vision related things, is unfortunately a case by case problem.

Some people don't see the artifacts in LCD screens. Such as my wife. Of course she has twenty / thirty vision in one eye and twenty / fourty in the other WITH Correction.

... Other people, like me, find LCD screen tearing, ghosting, and with TV sets, blocky pixelation around moving objects MADDENING. ... Twenty / Ten vision in both eyes here.

*Shrug*

Honestly I wish I didn't see the artifacts. I've wanted a more efficient monitor for /ages/ now. This /could/ end up being a good thing. Once my CRT monitors die, and my CRT TV dies, perhaps I'll give up technology altogether, become a survivalist, and live in a cave somewhere.



Barring that, I'm really hoping that something like OLED will come along in the next ten years.
 

KeithTalent

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I was hoping to play Duke Nukem Forever on my new OLED later this year...we shall see I guess.

As far as the ghosting/tearing/etc of LCDs, I have never noticed this. I have a feeling once OLED actually makes it to market there will be people complaining about that technology as well. There will always be people who can see things others can not.

KT
 

derail

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Ok I forgot to point out one thing I didnt mention how long My 27" CRT lasted 22 YEARS, and was moved from Georgia to Indiana ( twiced moved in Indiana) and back to Georgia. It also came with a 6 year warranty were they came to your house and Fixed it if something went wrong and replaced it if they couldn't.

We need to have Both something that looks as good as a OLED and somthing that lasted as good as the older CRT's if we have to pay $1000 - $3000 for them.

This HD TV's should not follow the line of a seriuos gamer that upgrades his PC every year to get the latest suff.
 

nanaki333

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why would you want to use a 22 year old TV? my oldest TV in my house now is a 37" Vizio from costco i bought a little over a year ago.


before you bite my head off, it was a joke. had to put that in there since some people don't have a sense of humor.
 
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