I want to cook steak on my new stainless pan

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MrSquished

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A steak cooked from raw in 2:30 is either going to be horribly overcooked on the outside or rare as shit on the inside.

Also, taking the steak out for 20 minutes isn't going to make a difference.

EDIT: The palm test for doneness is retarded.

ummm the 2:30 is the time of the video. you know they do edit videos?

yes you do need to take the steak out for longer than 20 minutes to get to temp at the thickness those steaks were.

not so sure about the palm test. when i worked in some restaurants the grill guy could tell the doneness by touching the steaks. so it may work.
 

notposting

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Tramontina makes good tri ply stainless steel cookware at reasonable prices.

They changed their design at some point, I can't tell if these are the same way (not showing the inside of the pan) but they ended up having a very tiny interior flat cooking surface. No larger than a regular 10" pan.

At this point, the Emeril pan looks like the best bet: http://www.amazon.com/Emeril-All-Cla...dp/B001B2NA4E/

And interestingly enough, Amazon offers it for $40, but a 1-2 month delay...hmmm, could be worth the wait if you don't need it ASAP to save $40 off the price.
 

Fritzo

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A steak cooked from raw in 2:30 is either going to be horribly overcooked on the outside or rare as shit on the inside.

Also, taking the steak out for 20 minutes isn't going to make a difference.

EDIT: The palm test for doneness is retarded.

How many Michelin stars do you have?
 

NetWareHead

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I know that some of the best steaks I've done were with cast iron on a campfire. *Glowing* red hot pans. Didn't bother with any oil.

:thumbsup: According to this chart, http://www.threeplanes.net/toolsteel.html that is 1500

Did you experience any warpage of the cast iron or destruction of the seasoning at those temps? I assume all of the seasoning would just ash and flake off. I would think that a campfire is not an even heat and there will be hot/cold spots and therefore make the pan prone to warping. Regardless, I don't want t try it with some of my older prized pans for fear of damage.

The highest I will ever take is maybe 500 or so, mostly limited by what my stove/own can do. At times I do see a light gray ash that flakes off of the pans. But there is so much seasoning on my pans that I dont think I ever have to worry about destroying the seasoning entirely down to the bare metal. Plus I cook with them all the time so any seasoning damage is quickly restored.
 

MrSquished

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:thumbsup: According to this chart, http://www.threeplanes.net/toolsteel.html that is 1500

Did you experience any warpage of the cast iron or destruction of the seasoning at those temps? I assume all of the seasoning would just ash and flake off. I would think that a campfire is not an even heat and there will be hot/cold spots and therefore make the pan prone to warping. Regardless, I don't want t try it with some of my older prized pans for fear of damage.

The highest I will ever take is maybe 500 or so, mostly limited by what my stove/own can do. At times I do see a light gray ash that flakes off of the pans. But there is so much seasoning on my pans that I dont think I ever have to worry about destroying the seasoning entirely down to the bare metal. Plus I cook with them all the time so any seasoning damage is quickly restored.

at my brother in law's bachelor party we camped for a couple nights. we made a beef short rib stew on one night right over the campfire in a dutch oven. the guy who had the dutch oven was pretty anal about the treatment to his dutch oven and he had no problem with it over a very hot campfire.

i think it's all good.

oh the stew was f'in delicious
 

NetWareHead

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at my brother in law's bachelor party we camped for a couple nights. we made a beef short rib stew on one night right over the campfire in a dutch oven. the guy who had the dutch oven was pretty anal about the treatment to his dutch oven and he had no problem with it over a very hot campfire.

i think it's all good.

oh the stew was f'in delicious

Yes I understand what you are saying but was the dutch oven red-hot? I think there is a marked difference between a red-hot screaming pan for searing a steak and a low and slow cooking of a stew even if they are both over campfires.
 

MrSquished

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Yes I understand what you are saying but was the dutch oven red-hot? I think there is a marked difference between a red-hot screaming pan for searing a steak and a low and slow cooking of a stew even if they are both over campfires.

can't say red hot as the time i saw the pot it had stew in it.

but i can say that fire was really damn hot and the dutch oven was quite close to that fire.
 

Sulaco

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A steak cooked from raw in 2:30 is either going to be horribly overcooked on the outside or rare as shit on the inside.

Also, taking the steak out for 20 minutes isn't going to make a difference.

EDIT: The palm test for doneness is retarded.

Riiiiiight.

Gordon Ramsay versus.........."Howard"

 

Fritzo

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I have Michelin tires!?! But there is no stars on them.

Read: fuck Michelin stars. I'm sure he would get many more awards for being an asshole!

He's only an asshole to people that deserve it, and the way I see it is if you're at the top of your field you're allowed to yell at people that screw up.

Oh...at all that shouty stuff he does on Hell's Kitchen? That's an act to manufacture tension and stress for the show. See how that works?

I've met him twice, and he actually remembered me the second time I met him. Nicest guy in the world when not on TV.

Riiiiiight.

Gordon Ramsay versus.........."Howard"


LOL!

I have Michelin tires!?! But there is no stars on them.

Read: fuck Michelin stars. I'm sure he would get many more awards for being an asshole!

Michelin Stars are the Oscars for restaurants. 1 star gets you on the map, 2 is a fine restaurant, and 3 is a world class restaurant. French chef Joël Robuchon is currently considered the best chef in the world and has been awarded 28 stars total- the most in history. Unfortunately he's semi-retired at the moment, but still has some projects going on.
 
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NetWareHead

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He's only an asshole to people that deserve it, and the way I see it is if you're at the top of your field you're allowed to yell at people that screw up.

This. When you see people burning food or failing at rudimentary things like not trying the food you are serving and it needs more salt, you are going to get your ass handed to you! A true chef should know that. And anybody on those MasterChef shows where the prize is winning a restaurant in Gordon Ramsay's franchise better be up to par. Ramsay doesn't want to put his name to shit on a plate.
 

nageov3t

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He's only an asshole to people that deserve it, and the way I see it is if you're at the top of your field you're allowed to yell at people that screw up.

Oh...at all that shouty stuff he does on Hell's Kitchen? That's an act to manufacture tension and stress for the show. See how that works?

I've met him twice, and he actually remembered me the second time I met him. Nicest guy in the world when not on TV.

yeah, he's pretty much only an asshole when the recording light is on (even on his BBC shows, he's much nicer/friendlier than the character he puts on for the American audience)

Hell's Kitchen is so horribly staged regardless... I've heard so many reports that the producers rig it so that burners randomly turn down, the reported oven temperatures are wrong, etc that most of the time, it's probably not even the chef's fault that their food came out like shit.
 

NetWareHead

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Your *stove* can get them hotter -- constant heat being added, like a fire. The oven, obviously, the max temp will be the temp of the oven.

Yeah I just thought of that. The only time I have ever seen my seasoning ash over is when it has been on a burner. You get this ash ring in the shape of the flame (gas stove).
 

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:thumbsup: According to this chart, http://www.threeplanes.net/toolsteel.html that is 1500

Did you experience any warpage of the cast iron or destruction of the seasoning at those temps? I assume all of the seasoning would just ash and flake off. I would think that a campfire is not an even heat and there will be hot/cold spots and therefore make the pan prone to warping. Regardless, I don't want t try it with some of my older prized pans for fear of damage.

The highest I will ever take is maybe 500 or so, mostly limited by what my stove/own can do. At times I do see a light gray ash that flakes off of the pans. But there is so much seasoning on my pans that I dont think I ever have to worry about destroying the seasoning entirely down to the bare metal. Plus I cook with them all the time so any seasoning damage is quickly restored.

Warping hasn't been an issue. And, I don't take my Griswolds camping with me; just a cheap cast iron pan from wallyworld.
 

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the seasoning will be burnt off at 800 degrees. seasoning is the same stuff as that crud that is burnt off in a self cleaning oven.


A steak cooked from raw in 2:30 is either going to be horribly overcooked on the outside or rare as shit on the inside.
editing, how does it work?

I noticed that at 0:28 he says his pan is smoking. Looks like Teflon and that can't be good.

it's anodized aluminum.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I thought so.

Considering I'm looking at apartments, I don't have much of a choice of actual stoves/ranges. I can turn a place down - but I'm fairly certain I'm not going to be seeing any induction ranges in an apartment. At least, not in my neck of the woods. Perhaps some premium Manhattan apartments.

I've mostly just been concerned about finding a good apartment with gas that's also in my budget. I'll be looking closely at a few places that seem promising, so long as I can ignore the gas idea.




Hmm... there is also always the stand-alone induction hot-plate-style appliance. I think I've seen those. :hmm:

Look into the stand alone and read reviews from places other than Amazon. I haven't read what egullet says, but I'd look there and at other forums aimed at serious/professional cooks.
 

destrekor

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Warping hasn't been an issue. And, I don't take my Griswolds camping with me; just a cheap cast iron pan from wallyworld.

Speaking of quality:

anyone care to point me to a *machined* cast iron pan, something of decent size (12"?) and absolutely smooth?

I have a, what, $20 10" pan from Target (Calphalon), and it's rough cast - as in, taken out of the sand mold and that's it; it has a rough texture to every square inch. Definitely doesn't lend a hand to quality seasoning, cleaning, or perfect anti-stick properties.

I've heard most new pans out there aren't getting the machined surface treatment, and my quick searches haven't turned up anything.

Especially if I'm going to be getting an induction single-burner hot-plate-device, I want to have a really good cast iron to work with.
And that also makes it easier for me to not worry about roughing up the one I have now.

Which, I think I have definitely noticed a center ring of weaker seasoning - thus far, it's only ever known super hot heat from a gas range burner, with it's concentrated heat right in the center.
 
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