I want to cook steak on my new stainless pan

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mizzou

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cooked some sausage this morning on my cast iron, yum

cooked some breaded fish on it later...was a bit worried as the seasoning isn't really outstanding yet. Tasted great!

I noticed some burnt stuff on the bottom, not a lot. Some hot water and gentle rubbing got it off. Re-oiled and back in the oven it went
 

destrekor

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cooked some sausage this morning on my cast iron, yum

cooked some breaded fish on it later...was a bit worried as the seasoning isn't really outstanding yet. Tasted great!

I noticed some burnt stuff on the bottom, not a lot. Some hot water and gentle rubbing got it off. Re-oiled and back in the oven it went

I don't like fish, so I personally will never do it, but I will also make sure nobody ever uses my cast iron (and, if I were to get carbon steel, not on that either) to cook any seafood.

Doesn't a mild fish flavor tend to get trapped in the seasoning? Unprocessed fish fats (fish oil) tend to still have that fishy flavor.
Kinda like you can reuse oil in a fryer for numerous things, but once you introduce fish, it should be only ever reused for other fish or else you'll introduce fishy flavors to other foods.
 

Fritzo

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I don't like fish, so I personally will never do it, but I will also make sure nobody ever uses my cast iron (and, if I were to get carbon steel, not on that either) to cook any seafood.

Doesn't a mild fish flavor tend to get trapped in the seasoning? Unprocessed fish fats (fish oil) tend to still have that fishy flavor.
Kinda like you can reuse oil in a fryer for numerous things, but once you introduce fish, it should be only ever reused for other fish or else you'll introduce fishy flavors to other foods.

You are actually correct. Serious chefs tend to have a beef pan and pork pan, a poultry pan, and a seafood pan.
 

AznAnarchy99

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You are actually correct. Serious chefs tend to have a beef pan and pork pan, a poultry pan, and a seafood pan.

That's part of the reason why I haven't got a cast iron pan yet until I move out to a better place. I feel as the stainless steel is enough to be versatile to cook the majority of foods at this point.
 

notposting

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Once you learn how to care for cast iron, hands down it is the best. No spatula. I can flip an egg care free like teflon, Stainless has 0% hope of that, maybe even in the negatives if perfect conditions were matched. Recycle your stainless cookware, all I can say. Stainless has better uses.

Except for the fact that compared to a pan with an aluminum core and steel interior, it weighs a ton more, requires careful cleanup, and is crap for temperature responsiveness? And with some oil or spray a stainless pan will be just as non-stick for your eggs.

Right tool for the job, sometimes it's cast iron, and sometimes it's not.

just saw this on Digg, seemed relevant for this thread:

http://sherylcanter.com/wordpress/2010/01/a-science-based-technique-for-seasoning-cast-iron/

"Chemistry of Cast Iron Seasoning: A Science-Based How-To"

I beat you by 23 posts FWIW, it works *really* well. After several layers of flaxseed oil seasoning, you could run it through the dishwasher and not lose the seasoning.
 

WelshBloke

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You know what's crazy? I've never used a stainless steel or cast iron pan because every household I've ever been to in my life has never had one. Stainless steel pots sure but everyone else just has teflon.


If you can cook, you can cook in anything.

All this dicking around about the best pan material or the best knife is just blokes being blokes and obsessing about gadgets.
 

Imported

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Except for the fact that compared to a pan with an aluminum core and steel interior, it weighs a ton more, requires careful cleanup, and is crap for temperature responsiveness? And with some oil or spray a stainless pan will be just as non-stick for your eggs.

Right tool for the job, sometimes it's cast iron, and sometimes it's not.



I beat you by 23 posts FWIW, it works *really* well. After several layers of flaxseed oil seasoning, you could run it through the dishwasher and not lose the seasoning.

Can you do the same with a carbon steel wok? Mine won't keep its seasoning to save its life.
 

AznAnarchy99

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If you can cook, you can cook in anything.

All this dicking around about the best pan material or the best knife is just blokes being blokes and obsessing about gadgets.

Definitely but damn does having a good knife make your life so much easier.
 

spidey07

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If you can cook, you can cook in anything.

All this dicking around about the best pan material or the best knife is just blokes being blokes and obsessing about gadgets.

Agreed. Stainless has many uses.

Non stick is for quick eggs and grilled cheese, not much else.

I've got a ton of enameled cast iron and we use that a ton.

Now for making sauces and sauce pans? Nothing beats a good one.
 

bononos

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See if you can find the old brand of the Emril stainless set. They actually discontinued it because it was TOO good for the price. It was $199 retail, but often was on sale for $99 for 4-5 pots/pans w/ lids. The set was actually a rebranded All-Clad set that they sold for $399.

They replaced it with cheaper sets, so if you can find the original set, SCORE!

It doesn't have the same construction as the All-Clad because I had a good look at the Emerils and they weren't as thick.
 

destrekor

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If you can cook, you can cook in anything.

All this dicking around about the best pan material or the best knife is just blokes being blokes and obsessing about gadgets.

To be fair, in most every avenue of life, anyone who knows what they are doing can make use of lesser equipment and still produce a better product than people who obsess over better equipment.

That said - said good cook can do a HELL of a lot better, with safer results, using equipment that will last a lot longer (teflon coated pans don't last forever and are rarely handed down. better pans get handed down; teflon pans tend to get bought brand new by someone for someone), if they use better equipment.

As always, better stuff also usually equates to time saved when doing the same steps. Not always the case, sometimes things like cast-iron require a little time/prep (pre-heating), but cleanup can be simpler or whatever.

Especially with knives, more consistent results, and depending on what you are doing, possibly better at cutting things but keeping shape, versus a more ragged or sloppy cut that also drags the food around creating a mess.


In general - it's a first world problem, that's for sure. But it sure is nice to have for the above reasons.
The entire kitchen is essentially one big first world problem. You can create some of the best food items possible without using anything from the modern era. But, truly, how OFTEN do you want to do that?


Also, I'm not sold on the internal safety of chemicals like teflon or other coatings applied to cheaper cookware for non-stick purposes. Generally it stays put, yes... but it can flake off and I'm just not that interested in being a science experiment in yet another category. I ingest enough that will probably be questionable in 10 or 20 years, I'd like to minimize how often I add to that plate.
 

Fritzo

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It doesn't have the same construction as the All-Clad because I had a good look at the Emerils and they weren't as thick.

Keep in mind this is the ORIGINAL set, not the one they replaced it with. The only difference between All Clad and Emril's brand was thinner handles (which was actually a plus because the handles were more comfortable).

Even Anthony Bourdain mentioned how good the cookware was (FYI- in that same breath he mentioned all of Wolfgang Pucks stuff was crap )
 

notposting

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If you can cook, you can cook in anything.

All this dicking around about the best pan material or the best knife is just blokes being blokes and obsessing about gadgets.

Yes and no.

Yes to the first...but the right tool for the job will generally get you both easier, and more consistent results. Now, the people in the CPU and GPU boards on here, yes, those nuts are just obsessing about gadgets.

edit: I compare it to my work experience in electrical construction -- you *could* try to use some dollar store tools, but spending the $20-30 on a pair of Klein's actually pays off in the cutting blade staying sharp, the metal not smushing and breaking, etc. Or auto mechanics who pay for Snap-on tools (whereas, I will buy some decent Craftsman sockets maybe, but not all the way to Snap-on levels of pricing/quality).
 
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Keep in mind this is the ORIGINAL set, not the one they replaced it with. The only difference between All Clad and Emril's brand was thinner handles (which was actually a plus because the handles were more comfortable).

Even Anthony Bourdain mentioned how good the cookware was (FYI- in that same breath he mentioned all of Wolfgang Pucks stuff was crap )
I have some of the original copper core tri-ply Emerilware and while it is very decent it isn't as thick as All-Clad. There is a noticeable quality difference. I also have a 12" Wolfgang Puck sauté pan that I bought as a temp replacement when I had to RMA my All-Clad sauté pan because the bottom warped. All-Clad sent a replacement (their warranty is awesome and is why it's worth the premium) but I still prefer the Puck sauté pan because it's a friggin tank. So Tony can suck it.
 

notposting

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The Emeril pan is in stock, but I saw where it was ~$25 right at Christmas. Since I already have two 12" tri-ply pans I probably shouldn't order this one. For marital peace and all.
 

AznAnarchy99

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So I suck at using the new pan. What's the tip on not getting food stuck to the pan? Or should I not worry about it and just deglaze.
 

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So I suck at using the new pan. What's the tip on not getting food stuck to the pan? Or should I not worry about it and just deglaze.

What's getting stuck? depends on the food type, but typically more oil and let it go a longer before moving.
 

Howard

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So I suck at using the new pan. What's the tip on not getting food stuck to the pan? Or should I not worry about it and just deglaze.
You got a stainless pan? I only use that if I need high heat (ruling out non-stick) or a fond (ruling out non-stick and cast iron). If you only need high heat but don't need a well-developed fond, just use cast iron.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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So I suck at using the new pan. What's the tip on not getting food stuck to the pan? Or should I not worry about it and just deglaze.

What are you cooking and how are you doing it? Is it a steak going into cold pan? Warm? Hot? Are you immediately trying to move it like a stir fry? Letting it sit a while first?

Details man, details
 

Fritzo

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So I suck at using the new pan. What's the tip on not getting food stuck to the pan? Or should I not worry about it and just deglaze.

You'll have to deglaze stainless. You can use wine, vinegar, or pretty much anything acidic.
 

AznAnarchy99

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What are you cooking and how are you doing it? Is it a steak going into cold pan? Warm? Hot? Are you immediately trying to move it like a stir fry? Letting it sit a while first?

Details man, details

Hm I was moving it pretty quickly. I was not extremely hot (bit over mid heat). Pepper got stuck in there as well as some of my spaghetti that I tossed in butter/oil.

Gonna do some chicken breast tonight.
 
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