i want to start my own business

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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i want to start my own busines so i dont have to work for the man day in day out 9 to 5 for the rest of my days. has anyone here started there own business? does it make you enough money to survive? is it any better than working for the man or just as bad?
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,414
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I work 9-5 writing pomes. I encourage you to do the same. The pay is great.
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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318
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It's impossible to not work for The Man unless you are The Man. For some he is lenient and provides you a facade of independence, but ultimately, you still gain your livelihood from him.
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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i want to start my own busines so i dont have to work for the man day in day out 9 to 5 for the rest of my days. has anyone here started there own business? does it make you enough money to survive? is it any better than working for the man or just as bad?
If you start your own business plan on working a lot more than 9-5
 

Pardus

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Jun 29, 2000
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i want to start my own busines so i dont have to work for the man day in day out 9 to 5 for the rest of my days. has anyone here started there own business? does it make you enough money to survive? is it any better than working for the man or just as bad?

most start-up businesses fail within a year and you need capital and advertising to get it going.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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You should publish pomes. HUGE untapped market.

i entered some in contests but i only got published once and i didnt get any prize money just a certifecate and i had to pay 60$ to buy a copy of the book of winners
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Legal and not bad? That leaves out going corporate...

There are many ways to make a good amount of cash...but not many are completely legal. The BEST ones...the ones that provide the greatest amount of personal satisfaction...are the ones farthest from legal.
 

gaidensensei

Banned
May 31, 2003
2,851
2
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Start your own low-cal restaurant. On the menu write a small pomes for each entree in italics.

It will catch on and you will be famous in no time. All your employees will address you 'the man' when you are not around.
 

Tsaico

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Oct 21, 2000
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It depends on what you plan on doing. It also isn't very glam, and I know the first thing I learned was instead of having 1 pain in the ass boss, I now have many pain in the ass clients instead.

At least with a boss, you need justification (usually) to get fired, customers or clients can just choose not to use you because your Chinese, friends with their enemy, located in the wrong part town, you pronounce "nuclear" wrong, or any other thing they can think of.

Tax issues are also a major headache I hadn't considered really before I started up. When you get your paycheck, and the taxes are taken out, the employer is paying similar amounts. When you are self employed, you are now paying those too, so it is like doubling what you need to set aside. It becomes all about being able to deduct all your expenses, and then trying to move your "living" expenses over to your business and make it a cost of doing said business. This happens before taxes are applied. To better understand this, say you make a $100 dollar paycheck. The taxes take 25 bucks, leaving you with 75. You pay for your car's note for $50, you now have 25 left. If the car were under your business, then you pay your same 50 bucks, but now you are taxed on the remaining 50, which 25% in our example, amounts to 12.5, leaving you with 37.50 instead. This is over simplified, but I think you can get the idea.

Then came the insurance gambit. As a w2, I needed only benefits, which generally included all my health, dental, vision, 401k, etc. Now I have to pay those instead for myself, as well as liability, errors and omissions (if you are in service sector), disability (workman's comp too if you ever get employee, disability is for yourself in case you get hurt and unable to work), as well as higher cost coverage for my shop and car. In most cases I can deduct these as part of cost of doing business, but in some cases I cannot.

In the overall scheme of things, the biggest shortfall of starting a business is the capital to get it moving. There are certain things you might be able to just grow into, while other are required for you to get started. This money upfront before you start getting money coming in is usually the killer, or at least it was for me. It takes cash or credit to get gear, rental space, advertising, phone lines, insurance deposits, rental deposits, etc. all the while your own bills can't be pu ton hold, and money hasn't had a chance to come in yet.

Then there are the liabilities of whatever you are trying to do and keeping those separate from what you have personally. People sue, and in some cases, they may have just cause. If they win against you, do they get your house now to cover the judgement? You see where I am going with this.

But after all that, if you still feel like starting it up, I would pay a visit to the http://www.sba.gov/ website. It is full of so much information you will have hours and hours to go over. I would also recommend doing some reading on how to write business plan and actually do the market research yourself. Many great ideas were born in the garage, so if you really like the idea, go for it.

Good luck, I wish all aspiring SB owners luck.

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Oh, and as for is better than working for the man, yes and no. On one hand, I get more job satisfaction in a good days work, but I did take a pay cut in the sense that I am now working more hours per day than I was before, but making the same amount. Eventually when I grow it even more, and can hire more people to the crap I NEED to do to keep clients happy, I can shift my attention to the stuff i LIKE to do, and have the grunts do the crap work and then have them complain about me on their forum postings later.
 
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Soundmanred

Lifer
Oct 26, 2006
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6
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It depends on what you plan on doing. It also isn't very glam, and I know the first thing I learned was instead of having 1 pain in the ass boss, I now have many pain in the ass clients instead.

At least with a boss, you need justification (usually) to get fired, customers or clients can just choose not to use you because your Chinese, friends with their enemy, located in the wrong part town, you pronounce "nuclear" wrong, or any other thing they can think of.

Tax issues are also a major headache I hadn't considered really before I started up. When you get your paycheck, and the taxes are taken out, the employer is paying similar amounts. When you are self employed, you are now paying those too, so it is like doubling what you need to set aside. It becomes all about being able to deduct all your expenses, and then trying to move your "living" expenses over to your business and make it a cost of doing said business. This happens before taxes are applied. To better understand this, say you make a $100 dollar paycheck. The taxes take 25 bucks, leaving you with 75. You pay for your car's note for $50, you now have 25 left. If the car were under your business, then you pay your same 50 bucks, but now you are taxed on the remaining 50, which 25% in our example, amounts to 12.5, leaving you with 37.50 instead. This is over simplified, but I think you can get the idea.

Then came the insurance gambit. As a w2, I needed only benefits, which generally included all my health, dental, vision, 401k, etc. Now I have to pay those instead for myself, as well as liability, errors and omissions (if you are in service sector), disability (workman's comp too if you ever get employee, disability is for yourself in case you get hurt and unable to work), as well as higher cost coverage for my shop and car. In most cases I can deduct these as part of cost of doing business, but in some cases I cannot.

In the overall scheme of things, the biggest shortfall of starting a business is the capital to get it moving. There are certain things you might be able to just grow into, while other are required for you to get started. This money upfront before you start getting money coming in is usually the killer, or at least it was for me. It takes cash or credit to get gear, rental space, advertising, phone lines, insurance deposits, rental deposits, etc. all the while your own bills can't be pu ton hold, and money hasn't had a chance to come in yet.

Then there are the liabilities of whatever you are trying to do and keeping those separate from what you have personally. People sue, and in some cases, they may have just cause. If they win against you, do they get your house now to cover the judgement? You see where I am going with this.

But after all that, if you still feel like starting it up, I would pay a visit to the http://www.sba.gov/ website. It is full of so much information you will have hours and hours to go over. I would also recommend doing some reading on how to write business plan and actually do the market research yourself. Many great ideas were born in the garage, so if you really like the idea, go for it.

Good luck, I wish all aspiring SB owners luck.

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Oh, and as for is better than working for the man, yes and no. On one hand, I get more job satisfaction in a good days work, but I did take a pay cut in the sense that I am now working more hours per day than I was before, but making the same amount. Eventually when I grow it even more, and can hire more people to the crap I NEED to do to keep clients happy, I can shift my attention to the stuff i LIKE to do, and have the grunts do the crap work and then have them complain about me on their forum postings later.

You just wasted a whole lot of time on a troll.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
24,300
5,729
136
You just wasted a whole lot of time on a troll.

he did not. i read it then and it convinced that there was way more complexity than i had considered.

and i am re-reading it now as i consider trying to start a side business. the goal would still be to work my full time job until i make at least 50$k per year on the side business, at which point i could transition to full time. that might take a couple of year or it might never happen, but i'd have to have a minimum income on it before totally switching.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
57,653
7,881
126
I was thinking about my exit plan the other day. I'd like to have an antique ice cream truck, and I could drive around ringing my truck bells, and selling ice cream.

Fun fact... When I was about 2 I had no concept of money, and thought the ice cream truck just gave away ice cream. I got my order from the guy, and took off into the house. He just kept going, and my mother paid him on the next pass through.

If I'm rich when I retire, I might just drive around and give away ice cream. That's how the world should work :^D
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
11,578
1,741
126
Going into business is hard work. The big misconception among most people is that it's easy and risk free. This is not true. When starting a new business you will probably work 80-100 hours a week. At least in the beginning. Especially if you're new to whatever you want to do. Also, expect to fail many times. You should actually expect to fail.

My parents were involved in the restaurant industry for a number of years. It took them a little over 7 years before they were successful. I can still remember when they first started. They got their first store on the boardwalk. They were there for 2 years without much success. They then started their first cafe. For two years they tried to make it work. I can still remember my father sleeping on the floor, because he was exhausted. They lost a lot of money those two years. Then they opened a small french cafe. That bombed as well. On any given day they might pull in $50. That's if they were lucky. The food was great. Nothing but organic ingredients, but the area was middle income. People had a very difficult time spending $12 for a sandwich. After those two years were up my father saw a place for rent in a very wealthy area. The only problem was the empty store was off the main street, and the businesses that were there previously all failed. My parents took another gamble and rented the store for the year. It was an immediate success. Instead of making $50 a day they were making a few thousand. Instead of selling a few sandwiches they were selling anywhere between 150-200. Add in organic salads and other items to the mix. Not bad for a small store. On most days the place was packed for lunch. People were lined up waiting to get into the store. They had the store for 12 years. When my mom died my father sold the store. The new owners are doing very well.

I saw an interview with Steve Harvey on the Oprah Show. He believes in using a vision board for all his goals. Anyway, he said that he can't count the number of times he failed before he found success. That's the same for Oprah. The reason they found success is due to the number of times they both failed. He even said that he and Oprah probably failed more times than anyone in the room. They were just willing to take risk and fail many many times. Most people aren't willing to go thru those extremes. Most people are just happy to live risk free and collect their check at the end of the week. IMO, the problem with living a risk free life is it's not very exciting.

You might want to try your hand at passive income. I would normally say that most people who do this are shady people. And they are. Pat Flynn is the real deal though. He has a website called Smart Passive Income. He's very honest about making passive income. It's hard work. Pat worked in architecture as a Job Captain. To make a higher salary he studied for the LEED exam. As an incentive to study he put a small blog up on what he was studying. He put up cliff notes for other people to follow, and so they too could pass this exam. Well he passed and got the pay raise he was after. The crash in 2008 happened and he lost his job. In the meantime he made was making money thru adsense. Not much. A few cents here and there. That's how he got started. He made a little over $3m last year. Check out the website. He has a beginners podcast section which I've been listening too. I like Pat. He's very transparent and is 100% honest. Maybe it's something you might want to do on the side.

http://www.smartpassiveincome.com/
 
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MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,751
3,068
121
I was thinking about my exit plan the other day. I'd like to have an antique ice cream truck, and I could drive around ringing my truck bells, and selling ice cream.

Fun fact... When I was about 2 I had no concept of money, and thought the ice cream truck just gave away ice cream. I got my order from the guy, and took off into the house. He just kept going, and my mother paid him on the next pass through.

If I'm rich when I retire, I might just drive around and give away ice cream. That's how the world should work :^D

 

DigDog

Lifer
Jun 3, 2011
13,619
2,188
126
you will need more money than you imagine; early running costs, ull the way up to and including modifying your business if it doesn't work right away.

you need to go in a business you understand, where you have work experience in. and you need to not suck at it.

you need to scout the location; this is very important, you need a place where the people around want your product.
 
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