We need a new socket so that the IGP can work i believe, the exact same reason AMD is going with a new socket AM3+ for bulldozer. You cant add something as complex as a powerful IGP on die to a CPU and not change the socket.
Why do we need a new socket for Sandy Bridge, anyway? It still uses DDR3 memory. Intel loves to force people to buy more motherboards by changing sockets, landfills be damned. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
I just find that Intel changes sockets more frequently than AMD does. Perhaps there is good reason for it as you say. It probably also has to do with the fact that Intel has a much larger R&D budget which allows them to create more products.We need a new socket so that the IGP can work i believe, the exact same reason AMD is going with a new socket AM3+ for bulldozer. You cant add something as complex as a powerful IGP on die to a CPU and not change the socket.
I just find that Intel changes sockets more frequently than AMD does. Perhaps there is good reason for it as you say. It probably also has to do with the fact that Intel has a much larger R&D budget which allows them to create more products.
AM3+ is still going to be backward compatible with AM3 to an extent. What I don't understand is, if they can do this, why can't they make the new chips run on older motherboards? I've never understood the reasoning behind a socket change.
Yep. AMD price list June 2005:
X2 4800+ $999
X2 4600+ $822
X2 4400+ $619
X2 4200+ $579
Hasn't Intel tried to lock things down in one way or another since like Pentium IIs? Yet the mobo MFRs always find a way around it. I know very little about SB, there's no way to get around it for SB?
AM3+ is still going to be backward compatible with AM3 to an extent. What I don't understand is, if they can do this, why can't they make the new chips run on older motherboards? I've never understood the reasoning behind a socket change.
I just find that Intel changes sockets more frequently than AMD does.
Yeah, as long as you don't mention the 754-939-AM2 socket parade over 5 years.......all the while the 775 marched on.
all the while the 775 marched on.
Thanks very much for the explanation. :thumbsup::thumbsup:This is why AMD and Intel keep updating their sockets, to keep up with the features added by the new gen of CPU's.
Look, I understand 3D rendering probably better than you do yourself. I understand the deadlines and the processing requirements for things like animation and advanced 3D modeling. When you're spending $10K on the software, you might as well spend $5K on the hardware.Wow Do you know more then intel?
I mean reading down your entire post in this thread, its been trolling high end users, to trying to fit in a niche reserved for ultra high end gamers parts.
Seriously?
Intel does what they darn well chose to do.
Why did they change sockets? Why not? 1156 was not the smoothest launch.
From launch conception it had problems with Lote sockets burning out, and other what not.
Also the fact that 1156 had a very limited VTT.
Seriously, do you even own half the high end parts you end up flaming?
Have you seen what people can do on such high end systems when there being used to the brim?
And As of this moment INTEL SPANKS AMD.
From Rending, Folding, everything i use all 12 threads for.
AMD was NOT even an option for me, because i required such massive processing heads.
Because something makes sense for you and fits you, does not mean its acceptable. Which is what your going about on.
Exactly.. AMD launch prices when they were competitive.
Where is this 100 dollar AMD CPU sickbeast?
And these arent even Opty's that costed a premium on top of the X2 manchester / toledos.
Thanks very much for the explanation. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
I guess I spent too much time with my Socket 7 platform. I swear that socket must have lasted at least 4 years. Socket 939 could have lasted longer as well had AMD only engineered a DDR memory controller for the AM2 CPUs.
I can see the logic in creating a new socket for the cutting-edge tech, but really IMO they should make some new CPUs for people that don't want to upgrade their motherboard.
Wait, what's wrong with charging, gouging prices, on products that deserve a higher dollar because they're better? Like, how else do they pay for research and newer, better products? This is coming from a Linux user folks...
Actually you just gave me an idea. Let the universities research new processors and let the free world become the benefactors.Wait, what's wrong with charging, gouging prices, on products that deserve a higher dollar because they're better? Like, how else do they pay for research and newer, better products? This is coming from a Linux user folks...
I'm no AMD fan, I'm simply anti-AEG and I can't stand Nvidia's marketing department. If you don't like it, too bad. The reason you try to defame me is because you belong to their flock of sheep.Cant wait for Sandy Bridge!
Hopefully AMD can offer something that can raise their marketshare, but I am not holding my breath.
Also this OP is a pretty avid AMD fan in the video forum, so I am guessing he was never going to buy a SB anyway, and this is some anti-Intel rant.
BTW just because I overclock low-end chips it doesn't mean anything about my financial stature. I would donate money to charity before I would give Intel even a dime toward their fascist approach to the lower-end of the market.
I have a feeling you were never interested in "waiting for SB", even if they were OC'able. But rather took the opportunity to find a flaw (any flaw would do) that you can use a a focal point for either an anti-Intel agenda or to justify ownership of a poor performing AMD chip you may have.The thing is, I see what Intel is doing as unethical. What I think they should do is simply make all the processors from a certain batch cost more-or-less the same amount of money. Make it a reasonable amount, say $150-200. Then instead of artificially crippling their hardware, they'll be giving their customers a better value, and will be selling their products for what they are.
Whatever. AMD cripples their hardware as well. IMO it's stupid unless it's done to improve their yields. I don't see why they can't simply differentiate their product lines using cores. Give the low end 2 cores, midrange 4 cores, and high end 6 or 8 cores. Let the users overclock to get the most out of their hardware.I have a feeling you were never interested in "waiting for SB", even if they were OC'able. But rather took the opportunity to find a flaw (any flaw would do) that you can use a a focal point for either an anti-Intel agenda or to justify ownership of a poor performing AMD chip you may have.
775 was a cheat.
because old 775 would not take the new c2d 775's.
So you cant really say 775 was native all thoughout its life.
The longest socket which had a life i believe was 479 on the laptop side.
Oh man.. that had one hell of a socket life.
The socket was fine, it was the chipset that needed refreshing periodically.
I actually backed the speed down to 2400mhz because I needed to raise the CPU-NB voltage too much to keep things stable at 2700mhz, plus I was reading that all that you need is 3 times the base speed of your memory (in my case I have DDR 1333, so 666x3=2000mhz).
Perhaps with better cooling I can get my NB up to 3000mhz. Ideally I would like to run my CPU at 4ghz as it will put my memory at exactly 1333mhz with a 1:2 divider.
The thing is, I see what Intel is doing as unethical. What I think they should do is simply make all the processors from a certain batch cost more-or-less the same amount of money. Make it a reasonable amount, say $150-200. Then instead of artificially crippling their hardware, they'll be giving their customers a better value, and will be selling their products for what they are.
Actually you just gave me an idea. Let the universities research new processors and let the free world become the benefactors.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
We need a Linus Torvalds of the CPU world. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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My dog actually does kiss my cat. D:I wish the government mandated that everyone made the same amount of money more or less. Then people who didn't make a lot of effort wouldn't feel so bad.
I also wish that dogs and cats would kiss.
I'm voting this thread 5 stars!