I was hit. :-o

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Amused
The kid is 17. If he's old enough to join the army and die for his country (he is) he's old enough to face the wrath of a 15 year old girl's dad.

When did we become so pussified that a father is screwed for slapping the sh!t out of some stupid kid who took liberties with his daughter??

When we assumed too much.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused
The kid is 17. If he's old enough to join the army and die for his country (he is) he's old enough to face the wrath of a 15 year old girl's dad.

When did we become so pussified that a father is screwed for slapping the sh!t out of some stupid kid who took liberties with his daughter??

Because it's called assault and battery and, last I knew, that was illegal.

Oh boo, fscking hoo. He tossed a toy at the little sh!t. Get over it.

Had he beat the living daylights out of him, I'd agree with you. But he didn't.

Yeah, a judge would probably dismiss the charge....but...maybe he won't. Perhaps this father has a history of violent behavior. We don't know. But to *not* file charges would be a mistake, imo.

I don't care if he just tossed a toy at amdforever2. He most likely meant to inflict bodily harm against a KID. That is just wrong!

 

[nick1985]

i demand an update!!!

 

[Rogue]

So were the actions of everyone else involved. So I guess we should burn them all down, huh? Send everyone to jail tonight, that's the answer. As stated before by someone else, to someone else, your idealism is cute. If you think they all can't be charged for something, then I'll look up the laws in my state and let you know, but have no doubt, no one was right in this situation, no one.

 

[dquan97]

What a way to start the morning...

amdforever2, if I were you, I'd apologize to the father for taking her daughter home late AND without his permission. If he apologizes too for hitting you, then you know that you both have a mutual respect for each other. If not, I'd stop hanging out with his daughter.

 

[MeanMeosh]

Originally posted by: Rogue
So were the actions of everyone else involved. So I guess we should burn them all down, huh? Send everyone to jail tonight, that's the answer. As stated before by someone else, to someone else, your idealism is cute. If you think they all can't be charged for something, then I'll look up the laws in my state and let you know, but have no doubt, no one was right in this situation, no one.

if i understand his story right, which i prolly don't..., he says that he was merely giving him daughter a ride home from wherever (the daughter had broken curfew and snuck out of the house and gotten there on her own, seems like). so you're saying that he should have just let her walk home or find a different ride home in the middle of the night? bullshit

 

[Gunslinger08]

KIDNAP - To forcibly and unlawfully hold, keep, detain and confine a person against his or her will. So, involuntariness or coercion in connection with the victim's detention is an essential part of the offense.

The forcible and unlawful abduction and conveying away of a man, woman or child, from his or her home, without his or her will or consent and sending such person away with an intent to deprive him or her of some right. This is an offence at common law.

Please note: This was not done by amd. Kindly stfu about kidnapping now?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused
The kid is 17. If he's old enough to join the army and die for his country (he is) he's old enough to face the wrath of a 15 year old girl's dad.

When did we become so pussified that a father is screwed for slapping the sh!t out of some stupid kid who took liberties with his daughter??

Because it's called assault and battery and, last I knew, that was illegal.

Oh boo, fscking hoo. He tossed a toy at the little sh!t. Get over it.

Had he beat the living daylights out of him, I'd agree with you. But he didn't.

Yeah, a judge would probably dismiss the charge....but...maybe he won't. Perhaps this father has a history of violent behavior. We don't know. But to *not* file charges would be a mistake, imo.

I don't care if he just tossed a toy at amdforever2. He most likely meant to inflict bodily harm against a KID. That is just wrong!

17 isn't a kid. Sorry. At 17 you have a man's body, and the responsibility that goes along with it.

And again, to press charges would be the ultimate travesty here. I hope the neighborhood beats the crap out of him for being such a whiny little pussy if he does press charges

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Rogue
So were the actions of everyone else involved. So I guess we should burn them all down, huh? Send everyone to jail tonight, that's the answer. As stated before by someone else, to someone else, your idealism is cute. If you think they all can't be charged for something, then I'll look up the laws in my state and let you know, but have no doubt, no one was right in this situation, no one.

Right...but...the father still had no right to commit an act of violence. Send the daughter into the house, ground her, tell the kid to get the heck outta Dodge and don't come back, ever!

And to those purporting kidnapping...that's really quite a stretch. To the thought of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, how so? There was no curfew as stated by the poster...what delinquency was she up to? Sitting in a car late at night is against the law? I doubt it...against the rules of the parent but not the law.

Correct me if I'm wrong. If I am wrong, then, heck, I was committing crimes many times in my youth :Q

 

[Pepsi90919]

just think what judge judy would do. she MIGHT give you your hospital bills, but you have none. since you have none, CASE DISMISSED GOODBYE KTHX.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Delinquency of a minor can ONLY be brought against an adult. 17 != adult in any state.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Amused
The kid is 17. If he's old enough to join the army and die for his country (he is) he's old enough to face the wrath of a 15 year old girl's dad.

When did we become so pussified that a father is screwed for slapping the sh!t out of some stupid kid who took liberties with his daughter??

Because it's called assault and battery and, last I knew, that was illegal.

Oh boo, fscking hoo. He tossed a toy at the little sh!t. Get over it.

Had he beat the living daylights out of him, I'd agree with you. But he didn't.

Yeah, a judge would probably dismiss the charge....but...maybe he won't. Perhaps this father has a history of violent behavior. We don't know. But to *not* file charges would be a mistake, imo.

I don't care if he just tossed a toy at amdforever2. He most likely meant to inflict bodily harm against a KID. That is just wrong!

17 isn't a kid. Sorry. At 17 you have a man's body, and the responsibility that goes along with it.

And again, to press charges would be the ultimate travesty here. I hope the neighborhood beats the crap out of him for being such a whiny little pussy if he does press charges

Uh...yes...compared to a, presumably, 30- 40- something adult, yes, 17 is a KID.

 

[DurocShark]

Interesting that it seems conjur is the only parent of a teenager who thinks the father's actions were drastically out of line. (Correct me if I'm wrong...)

I have a 12yo son and a 1 month old daughter. I think that dad went easy on this guy. Rogue's got the right idea. Cops and courts are being brought into things that are better handled by the concerned parties.

I'll tell ya right now that as a father I would have no qualms about kicking this kids a$$ if he brought my daughter home in the wee hours after SNEAKING HER OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. Don't much care what B$ excuses that they tossed my way. "We're just friends" and "just went to a mutual friend's house" etc... Only way a toy would be used is if it was a 70's era Tonka!

It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

EDIT: Even if he didn't sneak her out, just brought her home, how is the father supposed to know? I'd think the kids were lying through their teeth...

 

[aphex]

I think it was wrong... But if it was my daughter, i woulda used something harder than a toy fire truck..

 

[kami]

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I call shenanigans.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Which goes to show just how horribly unreliable and inconsistent our judicial system is.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Maybe in the trailer park/redneck mentality.

Like I've said...resorting to violence in a situation like this is a big sign of a lack of intelligence.

The boy's parents could very well file charges themselves and/or file suit (which would be lame, imo). Why open yourself up to such trouble?

 

[Thraxen]

17 isn't a kid. Sorry. At 17 you have a man's body, and the responsibility that goes along with it.

And the father is how old? You simply can't go around hitting people when you don't like something. Period. It's that simple. Really. Seriously, we are talking about two kids (a "man's" body != adult maturity) who were out when one of them was not supposed to be. In others words, what goes on every single day with many kids that age. And this somehow warrants being hit by a virtual stranger? Please...

 

[psianime]

I'm sure you would be more pissed if he decided to shoot you instead...

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DurocShark
It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Which goes to show just how horribly unreliable and inconsistent our judicial system is.

Why? What part of the law would YOU trust to determine familial issues? Which politician?

Cops have traditionally tried to stay out of family issues. Who is a cop (or judge or politician or lawyer) to decide those things? But pissy little children (regardless of age) think they need to sue for everything.

"I was spanked once for stealing money from my mom's purse. I'm going to sue her now that I'm 20 for mental anguish"

That's the kind of crap we're seeing nowadays. I'm surprised more cops don't go postal and just kill everybody.

Getting a call from a little twit like this guy probably caused some chuckles around the stationhouse. But being 17, messin with a 15yo, and having the 15yo's father assault him with a lethal plastic firetruck, they've gotta take a report to keep from getting sued themselves.

THERE'S your "horribly unreliable and inconsistent our judicial system".

 

[Gunslinger08]

There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

 

[godspeedx]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DurocShark
It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Which goes to show just how horribly unreliable and inconsistent our judicial system is.

Why? What part of the law would YOU trust to determine familial issues? Which politician?

Cops have traditionally tried to stay out of family issues. Who is a cop (or judge or politician or lawyer) to decide those things? But pissy little children (regardless of age) think they need to sue for everything.

"I was spanked once for stealing money from my mom's purse. I'm going to sue her now that I'm 20 for mental anguish"

That's the kind of crap we're seeing nowadays. I'm surprised more cops don't go postal and just kill everybody.

Getting a call from a little twit like this guy probably caused some chuckles around the stationhouse. But being 17, messin with a 15yo, and having the 15yo's father assault him with a lethal plastic firetruck, they've gotta take a report to keep from getting sued themselves.

THERE'S your "horribly unreliable and inconsistent our judicial system".

Si.

 

[godspeedx]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Please realize we aren't really even talking about this specific case anymore.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

Oh, well, that makes it all ok!!