I was hit. :-o

[alocurto]

Grow a pair. Too many people sue now a days. Grow up and accept it. If you really had a problem with it then go to the guy yourself. You need to apologize for keeping his daughter out despite his orders. Then tell him you didn't appreciate him throwing a toy at you.

To me it sounds like he was just pissed because he was worried about his daughter. So go apologize. Don't get the law involved, you need to cool down and think about the situation.

 

[godspeedx]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Please realize we aren't really even talking about this specific case anymore.

I don't see what you're trying to say JoshSquall.
Are you agreeing with that last quote in your post or are you sticking with your first quote.

 

[alocurto]

Originally posted by: Amused
The kid is 17. If he's old enough to join the army and die for his country (he is) he's old enough to face the wrath of a 15 year old girl's dad.

When did we become so pussified that a father is screwed for slapping the sh!t out of some stupid kid who took liberties with his daughter??

I agree with that one.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: Jugernot

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So I was taking this girl home and we stopped outside her house and her dad comes up to the car and hits me.

Sure, she wasn't supposed to be outside, sure, it was after curfew, but nothing can justify him hitting me.

So, how would one ensure their ability to sue the individual?

Do I need to file a police report and press charges or can I just sue?

Suing will get you nothing (most likely)... file charges against him and get him thrown in jail. That'll teach the ass....

One note though, this will insure that his daughter won't go out with you again.

This could deter him from hitting others, and that including his wife & children.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Please realize we aren't really even talking about this specific case anymore.

I don't see what you're trying to say JoshSquall.
Are you agreeing with that last quote in your post or are you sticking with your first quote.

I was showing you that we aren't discussing this specific case anymore. Duroc was generalizing with his example that I quoted, so I decided to as well.

 

[alocurto]

Originally posted by: SammyBoy
Your vagina is showing.

Seriously man, get over it. Talk to him before you go calling the cops on him. Believe it or not, sometimes when you randomly press charges against a randomly violent person that can do physical harm to you, they can get MORE VIOLENT.

I hope he beats your ass for wasting his time with the cops

 

[godspeedx]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

Oh, well, that makes it all ok!!

I'm not saying it's ok, I don't think that the father should have done that. I was correcting what joshsquall said. I do not think that amd should press any charges of any kind for this, though. Like others have said he should go to the father and talk to him. Oh and amd, do you even care about this girl at all? Or are you planning on dating her someday? If you go on with these charges you can forget any of that. Sounds to me like you just overreacted a little.

 

[UNCjigga]

Dude, she's only 15.

Sounds like something that would happen in a Less than Jake song.

Don't sue...he might turn it around and try statuatory rape or something!!! :Q Make sure you don't turn 18 anytime soon before you sue!!!

 

[godspeedx]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: godspeedx

Originally posted by: joshsquall
There is law. It is supposed to be enforced fairly and consistently. If the police were really to just stand back and allow people to beat the hell out of any guy who kept their daughter out late, it would not be fair to the guy or consistent with other assault cases.

I would rather be hit by a fist than a plastic firetruck.. toys can have sharp edges that can cut the skin or poke out an eye if aimed at the face. Fists take quite a bit to do real damage, but still shouldn't be thrown around blindly without a discussion.

The dad didn't "beat the hell" out of him.
It didn't hurt him, he wasn't cut or anything.

It wasn't that long ago that when a father saw a boy messin with his daughter, that boy was in serious trouble. Since it was considered a family issue, the police etc would only get involved if there was grievous bodily harm (and maybe not even then..) They'd probably cheer the father on!

Please realize we aren't really even talking about this specific case anymore.

I don't see what you're trying to say JoshSquall.
Are you agreeing with that last quote in your post or are you sticking with your first quote.

I was showing you that we aren't discussing this specific case anymore. Duroc was generalizing with his example that I quoted, so I decided to as well.

Ooooooh, alright. I see now.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Like a plastic thing a kid would ride around on or something. A plastic firetruck or something, I'm not even sure it was that. I drove off before taking time to examine his weapon of choice. Hard plastic though.

Doesn't matter if I'm bleeding, which I'm not.

He assaulted a minor and given the opportunity to make him pay I will.

There isn't a case if there no bodily harm....just your pride. It sound as if you have blown this out of porportion. If I were you I would take this like a man, because you sound more and more like a wussy. Let things cool down then call the father and ask for an explanation, but some how I don't think that you are mature enought to have an inteligent conversation with the father with out resort to cusing.

 

[440sixpack]

Originally posted by: Rogue
I suppose I should write a traffic citation for every time I see someone speeding then? Or every time someone is playing their music too loud? Or every time someone breaks a law that is on the books, right?

Perfect analogy. Who actually follows every single rule in their workplace/life? It's all about judgement as you stated. How would the world be an improved place if all the time/money was wasted on a case like this. I hope there are police officers like you in my neck of the woods. :beer:

 

[edro]

When I was like 15, me and a kid I knew got in a fight at the mall. I hit him in the face a few times and he ran off. About 20 minutes later, I am looking at some stuff in Spencer's Gifts, and all of the sudden I feel the hardest, sharpest pain in the back of my head. After I got off the ground, it was the kid's dad....he fvckin puched me in the back of the head. He started yelling "Why don't you pick on someone your own size!" The kid was a year OLDER than me, and bigger too!

So his dad said, "That's it, you guys are goin' outside to finish this." So he grabbed my jacket and pulled me outside in the parking lot where the kid took a swing/slap at me, but missed. I then tackled him and punched him in the face as hard as I could like 10 times until he was incapacitated. This dad ran over and punched me in the head again! WTF. So I ran off and told a security guard, but by that time, they had both left.

Moral of the story... Adults should NEVER get involved in kid's affairs.... Unless the kid is 18 or so....

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Delinquency of a minor can ONLY be brought against an adult. 17 != adult in any state.

This is not true. I have seen other minors charged with delinquency of another minor when I worked for Teen Court in Alabama. Check your facts.

 

[Mill]

First of all, 17 is not a kid, and he at 17 should have some inkling of a clue that pulling a stunt like he did could cause problems. I don't advocate what his father did, but there are varying degrees of assault and discretion. Everything is up to the Police Officer's or DA's discretion. Personally, I wouldn't press my look with the police, because it is very likely they will start checking up on YOU now, because many of them probably have daughters. You know what? This would never have happened if you would have done things the correct way to begin with. If you are dating a girl that is younger than you have her home 30 minutes before her fvcking curfew. Also, make sure you do more than mumble incoherently at their daughter. If you are just looking for a piece of ass, her father is going to sense that. Us males can tell when a guy is being fake and just trying to hit it. Evidently, you don't care about this girl or her family, or you would have had her back home on time.

Secondly, let me address you getting hit with a plastic firetruck. You are a pussy. If you were hit with an open fist, then I could understand some concern, but he THREW A FVCKING PLASTIC FIRETRUCK AT YOU. Does your mom still tie your shoes? What kind of pussy are you? Go running to the cops, but most will use discretion here and tell you to go fvck yourself. I know I would.

ScottyB- God job at upholding your moron image in this thread. You are the only person I have ever seen have their post KEEP going downhill on AT.

 

[Gulzakar]

It's physical contact, it doesn't matter if its a toy or fist. That guy had no right to hit him.

How many of you went out after curfew? Who cares if shes 15 and hes 17... lets think about guys in their 20's who date teenagers. If the father was *so* concerned, maybe he should have kept a closer eye on his daughter.

It's highschool, who doesn't break their curfew? To sue is harsh... I say file a police report. Let the old geezer know he can't do these things. Let him know that it's not all your fault...daddys little girl isn't so little anymore.

I can remember dozens of times where I picked up friends when they snuck out. I was the transporter, but it was their doing. They got caught? They got in trouble. Not my issue.

 

[Rogue]

As I stated to ScottyB in our conflict resolution PM session, I was a bit out of line when I said I would laugh at the kid and send him packing. In fact, I am more professional than that. More than likely I would have taken the kid over to the residence and conducted a mediation of some kind between the 17 yo. and the father. I would have encouraged the 17yo. to appologize for the situation and hoped that the father would do the same. I would have also let them both know that the situation was poor judgement on everyone's behalf, but that "I" wasn't going to press the issue on it if they didn't. As stated before, everyone involved carries some wrong doing. Most of you are villainizing the father and victimizing the 17 yo. and that's simply not fair. You're taking sides in the matter. I am not taking sides, I am simply stating the poor decision making went into the situation and that circumstances taken into consideration, there's little to no legal recourse here that anyone is going to spend the time and money on to resolve. Oh, and finally, I would have taken that 17 yo. home to his parents and walked him up to the door and spoken with his father alone about the situation. I can't believe that you so called "adults" here are taking the side of the so called 17 yo. "kid" and taking his story at face value. Everything I've ever learned on the street tells me that this kid is up to no good and that we have a pile of half truths at best from him. You as adults should be ashamed for taking his side unequivocably without regard for the situation that the adult found themselves in. Oh, and I'm sure you've NEVER, EVER acted out in anger on ANYONE in your entire life, right? Please, let's be real here.

 

[skace]

This thread sums up everything wrong with forums in general and most people's ability to 'fill in the blanks' and assume what they do not know about a situation. Infact, I was amazed that a self-proclaimed cop even posted and assumed. I hold cops above assumptions.

First problem, amdforever2 does not know how to explain a situation with any sort of detail whatsoever. If you were smart, your first post would have included the entire story (which I still havn't seen) in sequential order, with times when relevant. Clarity is nice.

Second problem, people do not read replies before posting. They just post whatever the hell they want, which usually gets argued by other people, since what they posted is no longer accurate after further detail has been added in responses.

Third problem, people assume what they do not know. Assumptions such as whether amd did something wrong or whether he even took her out (all we know is that he took her back) are tossed back and forth as reasons for kicking his ass. People assume whether he was hurt, whether the toy was thrown hard, thrown soft, swung at him in close range, or whether the toy would even hurt. People assume the dad was sane or sober at the time, hell I have trouble believing amd was even sober at the time. Point being, 90% of the arguments in this thread are based on peoples own versions of a story with their own string of assumptions.

What I do know is this, when your kid does something wrong, you punish your kid, you don't punish the friends of your kid. You teach your kid when he/she should be in and why, you teach them why they don't hang out with xyz other kids. If you fail at teaching your kid these things or they choose to disregard you, then these are not reasons for you to go after your kid's friends. Read this paragraph as many times as it takes for you to understand it. There are people you can help and people you can't help, your kid is one of those that you can help.

Also, Rogue (I think) brought up the emotions of the parent, interesting argument that I wouldn't expect from a cop. Emotion does not excuse violence. All humans are emotional, but all humans also know and understand how to control, express, and restrain their emotions. This too is part of being human. When you cannot control your emotion, your anger, you are dangerous -- that simple.

 

[hzl eyed grl]

So, did you go to the police station? Update!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Gulzakar
It's physical contact, it doesn't matter if its a toy or fist. That guy had no right to hit him.

How many of you went out after curfew? Who cares if shes 15 and hes 17... lets think about guys in their 20's who date teenagers. If the father was *so* concerned, maybe he should have kept a closer eye on his daughter.

It's highschool, who doesn't break their curfew? To sue is harsh... I say file a police report. Let the old geezer know he can't do these things. Let him know that it's not all your fault...daddys little girl isn't so little anymore.

I can remember dozens of times where I picked up friends when they snuck out. I was the transporter, but it was their doing. They got caught? They got in trouble. Not my issue.

Your post demonstrates you have no personal responsibility. Secondly, maybe the father WAS concerned and she freaking snuck out of was late after cufew(like already stated). 15 and 17 is by no means that much of a difference so it isn't like someone who is 20 dating someone who is 16. All I am saying, is that maybe the father is concerned. Maybe that is why he hit him with a toy. BTW, it does matter if it was a toy or a fist. Almost every state has degrees of assault depending on:

A. If a weapon was used.
B. Was the weapon deadly
C. Open fist
D. Closed fist
E. Some other object.
F. A push.
G. etc

There are a lot more factors than what you are thinking. Why don't you let his local cops handle it? I am sure they will be more than happy to keep a close eye on him and keep him "safe" from now on. Run that stop sign? Ticket. 5 mph? Ticket? Don't fvck with another mans daughter and expect his peers to feel sympathy, regardless of their job. Some of you are being unrealistic. You can only hold a police officer to a higher standard if you are willing to respect them. Since most of you on this board refuse to, you are nothing more than maggots. You will get everything that is coming to you and hopefully it will teach you a lesson. You don't respect someone, and it is very likely they will not respect you.

 

[Gulzakar]

I have personal responsibility, but staying out after curfew is a rather common thing with TEENAGERS. If you didn't, well good for you...but I did. It's what teenagers do. Your speaking like an old man, you have to try and remember what it was like to be a teenager. Spare me the high and mighty routine... I think most of you spent or are spending these years plopped in front of a computer.

and no, it DOESN'T matter if it was a toy or fist...you would have to look at intent. His intent was to harm, REGARDLESS of what he used. The only reason to strike someone is to harm them in some way. He is a minor, even if he is 17...the only time somone is considered an adult is under extreme cases...usually murder.

 

[NoReMoRsE]

How do we know for sure that this guy is 17 years old? For all we know he could be 23 and LYING to us just because he doesn't want to go to jail for spending time with this 15-year-old girl.

 

[basara318]

Everyone should read skace's reply... Couldnt agree more!!!!

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: PipBoy
You forgot the detail where you had your tongue up her ass in the backseat of the car.

hahahahahah :beer:

 

[Rainsford]

I think if some of you guys put "kid" in bold a few more times that will get the point across. He is almost an adult, and while the law may say that one day you are a kid and one day you are an adult, common sense says that the process must be more gradual.

I don't know how many of you are parents, but most parents I know are very protective of their daughters, especially when they are 15 and have no judgement at all (sorry, but I haven't met anyone to prove that wrong). So amdforever2 helps this girl sneak out, and the dad probably woke up to find her missing (I don't know about you guys, but if I had a kid that would make my heart skip a few beats). So he's waiting and worrying for hours, then amdforever2 drives up and the dad is a little pissed. Should he have hit amdforever2? No, but I think I can understand why he did. And come on, there is hit and then there is hit. He hit amdforever2 with a toy truck, once, and didn't cause any damage. I do not think that is serious enough to warrent these calls of assault and battery, and especialy "lawsuit".

 

[Rogue]

As I stated before and I stand by now, even if someone thinks that as a police officer I am wrong. EVERYONE in this entire situation was wrong in some way. I've never vindicated the actions of the father, only stated that a reasonable person in the shoddy picture of a situation we've been given "might" resort to that and "might" be justified, even if it "might" be against the law. Each person who's rebutted me so far has "assumed" that a law has been broken and that something "must" be done about it. Nothing in law enforcement is absolute and even less so in the justice system. By NOT charging the father, his actions are not justified. To those of you functioning in this manner, join the real world. As police officers, many of you would have complaint after complaint against you and the DA would always discount your cases, especially if you brought something of the nature of this scenario to them. I'm functioning on real world experience here. Just because a law has "technically" been broken does not in any way mean that it MUST be enforced. That's called living in a police state when every little thing you do is held up to scrutiny and punishment handed down. I highly suggest you all look at your state's laws and decide for yourself how "legal" you live your own life. I still contend also that this scenario we have been presented is half assed at best and that if the entire situation were brought to light, many of you would lean more toward my assessment than your own.