I was hit. :-o

[Azraele]

Thanks for the responses to my question.

As for the original thread, I would just drop it.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Boys will be boys. Dad needs to grow up and so do most of you. Violence represents a lack of imagination.

Or lack of self control.

Depends on how you look at it, I guess.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Boys will be boys. Dad needs to grow up and so do most of you. Violence represents a lack of imagination.

I'd say his use of a toy rescue vehicle as a cudgel is quite imaginative.
The irony alone is worth a Pulitzer.

But he's still a nutball to whack him regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

It's these other what we like to call "barracks lawyers" trampling through here spouting their BS and rhetoric.

You know, virtually no one has actually advocated a lawsuit, or even jail time, on either side of this debate... so I fail to see why you and a couple of others are still hung up on that issue.

I think it had more to do with people trying to say they knew they law, when in fact they did not...

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Why such a backlash against a 17yr old kid. Which head were most of us guys thinking with at that age?

Or is just denial, attacking him because he is a reflection of our own past foolishness that we have been taught to feel shameful of.

 

[GroundZero]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: iwearnosox
I call shenanigans.

ditto

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Why such a backlash against a 17yr old kid. Which head were most of us guys thinking with at that age?

Or is just denial, attacking him because he is a reflection of our own past foolishness that we have been taught to feel shameful of.

So by your logic, it is ok for me to rape someone because I get horny and haven't been taught to feel shameful enough for it. I believe most of us were telling him not to learn the hard way, and that if the father hit him then he needs to stay far far away. Is that simple enough?

BTW, A 17 year old kid can face backlash as well if his GF is of a certain age and they engage is sex. Everyone needs to know their state and local laws when dealing with a MINOR.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

No that's your logic apparently. I couldn't make any sense of that analogy.

I'm talking about the dad hitting him and the clowns who are saying, yeah I'd hit you too.

 

[mcveigh]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Boys will be boys. Dad needs to grow up and so do most of you. Violence represents a lack of imagination.

violence represents lack of imagination... grotesque violense shows lot's of imagination:evil:


BTW I have a little girl and God help the SOB who brings her home late.:|

 

[moonshinemadness]

WTF 4 Pages..come on guys take a hint the original thread creator ditched this 2 pages ago does it really matter just shake hands and move on

 

[Rogue]

Look, here's a Kanas state law commonly referred to as the "Romeo and Juliet" law. Someone very close to me got caught up in it recently.

Now, before most of you wankers jump on me, let me make myself clear. I am simply "discussing" this for clarification and validation of some other claims made earlier by other people. In NO WAY am I implying that this law was broken, because as far as I can recall in this thread, at no time was sex implied or stated in this entire incident. However, let it be known that this law applies as is stated in clear text above. Both the 15 year old girl and the less than 19 year old male are charged with the very same Severity Level 8, 9, or 10 felony, to include possible registration for life as a sex offender as a result. Now, again, to make myself clear, this his little or no relevance to the asshat that got stroked by the girl's pops, however, many of you think that a 15 year old and a 17 year old can go off and do whatever they want because they're minor children and they will get off scott free. Not true, at least not here in Kansas. So those advocating that this is just stupid "kid stuff" and that no law was broken other than the father tapping his ass with a fire rescue vehicle should start reading your laws a little closer to see where you and yours stand in the legal realm.

It is also against the law in the military to conduct or have conducted upon you, oral sex, male or female. It is considered "unnatural sex" and is referred to as sodomy by military law. Think about that and check your state's definintion of these laws before you start offering free legal advice to 17 year olds.

 

[AgentBehemoth]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Gargle with some vinegar and water and get over it you pussy.

Now that a freakin sig post!

 

[forkd]

I say file the police report, press charges and don't let up. As for suing him...I could care less, that is your business, It would really wake his white trash self up to realize he could lose both of his dollars for what he did though.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: forkd
I say file the police report, press charges and don't let up. As for suing him...I could care less, that is your business, It would really wake his white trash self up to realize he could lose both of his dollars for what he did though.

Little too late for him to do sh!t.

 

[KEV1N]

Don't litigate. This is the problem with everybody! Why don't you try to understand what he was thinking? The only way to really see his point of view is to maybe ask him. Call the house, explain how you feel about it, and see if he'll explain why he hit you. Unless you're afraid he's going to shove the plastic firetruck through the phone and clock you one long distance.

 

[Lithium381]

what he did was wrong, talk to him about it(the dad) he shouldn't have hit you, but it didn't hurt too bad, don't get all bent out of shape over it....no suing, talk to the guy, if he's an @$$ file a report......the fact you even thought about a law-suit over this makes me sick....it's how pathetic our justice system is though, most things you CAN sue for.....

 

[montanafan]

I'm worried about the fact that we haven't heard from amdforever2 in a while. Maybe he went back over there and the mother beat him to death with a furby.

 

[fatbaby]

Wow! Everyone assumes too much here! Many of you assume he took the girl FROM the house. AMD did not say anything about taking the girl from the house. We'll give AMD the benefit of the doubt due to the lack of details.

For all we know, he was doing her a favor, taking her home in the middle of the night. I don't think that he should be labeled a "moron". Would you rather that she walk home during the middle of the night or come home alone? How could he be kidnapping her? He brought her back to her house!

However, I doubt the father would of thrown a toy fire truck at you. Seems kind of irrational.

 

[Lithium381]

Originally posted by: fatbaby

However, I doubt the father would of thrown a toy fire truck at you. Seems kind of irrational.

You overestimate todays society

 

[Gnurb]

Originally posted by: montanafan
I'm worried about the fact that we haven't heard from amdforever2 in a while. Maybe he went back over there and the mother beat him to death with a furby.

hjaha

bang the girl, press charges against the father

not neccesarily in that order.

 

[amdforever2]

There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.
There is no curfew.

Therefore, I could not have taken her out after curfew.

I'm a minor too. How do minor's kidnap other minors?

And once again, no romantic reason for us being out.

 

[CraigRT]

that's so ghey... what a fagtastic homo... get that guy in crap.

 

[brigden]

Bottom-line reality-check here, losers:

The fifteen year old girl was acting thoroughly irresponsibly by sneaking out late at night, especially with all manner of weirdos and sexual predators booting around these days.

The seventeen year old guy was only driving her home, probably doing everyone involved a favor; he certainly didn't deserve to be hit with anything by anyone. The father, as worried and pissed off as he may have been, had no right to hit the kid. He had every right to demand an explanation from both.

The kids were doing what kids do. I did it, you did it, the father probably did it too. The fifteen year old girl should be lectured by her father on her curfew and why it exists. The father should apologize to the guy he hit, and should explain why he wants his daughter in her bed at that hour.

There is no need to sue, and a involving the police is a little much. There is obviously an issue that needs resolving, and involving the police is not going to help achieve that goal.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Rogue
nan0bug,

You can throw your BS card all you want, but I have nothing to hide. I am a Military Policeman stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas. Now before you go throwing all this BS around that you know nothing about, I am strictly law enforcement and haven't fired an M-16/M-4 in nearly 6 years. I worked for over a year as a Military Police Investigator, a position which works primarily in cases involving juvenile incidents such as this one as well as other felony crimes committed on the installation and off. I work jointly with various local law enforcement agencies including Junction City Police Department, Geary County Sherrif's Office, Riley County Sheriff's Office and the post CID detachment. I've been trained by not only the Army, but also the Kansas State Bureau of Investigation, the Kansas State Highway Patrol and various other local agencies that conduct law enforcement training. I have many friends with over a hundred total years of service in law enforcement to draw experience from and I am positive that if I ran this situation past them, as it's been presented so far, that they would with a better than 75% certainty rule the same way I have. Although you would like to think that all laws are the same and all crimes should be enforced the same way, very often regional or local problems convey a different action on the same crime. We don't know that this entire situation has occurred in an area where juvenile delinquency and misconduct is rampant and that this father, in his attempt to protect his daughter from it, didn't conduct himself in a manner consistent with what the local law enforcement agency would permit, but alas, neither do I. I only speak of my experience and I've stated my resolution time and again and I think all told, it's reasonable, more reasonable than most other LE officers would permit. So while you sit back and question my credentials, I question yours to even rule on this matter with any kind of professionalism or experience. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride, because you have absolutely no experience in this matter other than "thinking" you know what you're talking about.

I might not be a police officer, but I've been on the other side of the law more times than I can count, and I fully understand the concept of mitigating and aggrivating circumstances. Maybe where you live, or where he lives, things are different. In Pennsylvania, mitigating and aggrivating circumstances are up to the courts to figure out. The officer charges the suspect according to whatever law they have broken and let the courts figure it out from that point on. Typically, they trump up the charges so most people take a plea bargain to save the courts time and money.

Next time do some research before you decide I have 'absolutely' no experience. I might not be a police officer, but I do know what I'm talking about.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: nan0bug

Originally posted by: Rogue
ScottyB,

How old are you? You've obviously not been around too many situations for too long, have you? First off, the offenses nearly balance each other out. Considering the cases like Polly Klaas and Elizabeth Smart, how can you not understand the momentary anger this parent displayed upon discovering his daughter missing from his house? We don't know that he didn't wake up and find her missing from her bed with no explanation at all, now do we? In fact, I'm sure that's what happened. Second, this 17 year old male removed this 15 year old child from her home after curfew. He took her god knows where and did god knows what with her. He may never admit to what he actually did to us or anyone else anyway. I caught my brother's 15 year old girlfriend in a tent with two sleeping bags zipped together and two condom wrappers underneath. They both said they didn't have sex until the used condom was found nearby. Third, you are obviously a part of either this current generation or a generation past that insists on taking no responsibility for their own irresponsible actions. He knew what he was doing was wrong, he must have known that he could suffer some consequences for it and he did, minor ones at that. So he got something thrown at him, if that's even what happened. It's not like he was brutally beaten and kicked by this guy. He even admitted more or less that he suffered no real physical damage. Now ask me why I should waste my time, my department's time, my court's time and the tax payers hard earned money to take a case and run with it on this one? All things told, this one is a no brainer that I would guess easily better than 50% of cops in this country would not waste their time on. Keep in mind also, that you have no relevant experience in dealing with criminal matters other than watching COPS and you know less than I do about the legalities of this entire situation, even though he hasn't even really given us a full detailed story in the first place. Never mind the fact that no court in it's right mind is going to prosecute this case under all the circumstances listed above and you've got yourself one big bull$hit party.

Uhm, simple assault is simple assault, and assaulting a minor is assaulting a minor. Aggrivating and Mitigating circumstances are supposed to be left to the court to decide. I call BS on you even being a cop.

I call BS on you knowing WTF you are talking about. Evidently, you have never heard of discretion have you? Cops have that. Secondly, assault in this case is not clearly defined. We have one party's details, no witnesses, and a biased account. You are ready to hold to your statement that it would be assaulting a minor? I will tell you right now that the original poster isn't even going to call the cops. If he had, they would have never told him to come in tomorrow. They would have wanted to make a report and document any injuries right then.

P.S. I call BS on you having a brain.

I have heard about discretion. However, when it comes to assaulting a minor, I don't see where discretion comes into play. If there was an assault against a MINOR there should be some sort of investigation into it, regardless of the circumstances. Who knows what the guy is capable of? If he's assaulting other people's kids, what is he doing to his own kids? Discretion would be applicable if say 2 drunk guys got into a fight with each other and neither wanted to press charges and nobody was hurt.

Assault is clearly defined. He hit a minor with an object, and the minor objected to it. The daughter witnessed it. Why is it automatically a 'biased account' if its coming from a teenager?

I can tell you right now that you don't know any more about what he did than anyone else, because he hasn't let anyone know. Leave the psychic act to Miss Cleo, kthx.