I was just thinking...

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
30,740
452
126
Walk up to a random person and ask him where a 3 pair falls between with regards to odds compared to the commonly set of 5 card sets? Is it better than a full house? 4 of a kind? See how many people know the answer to that.

Well to be fair I'll be a lot of "random" people wouldn't know the regular hand ranks anyway. I know a few personally who demanded proof that 3 of a kind beats 2 pair.

"Hah, 2 pair I win"
"No... 3 of a kind beats 2 pair"
"Fuck off, I'm using 4 cards and you're only using 3 so mine was harder to get"
"That's not how it works"
"Whatever, let's check wiki"
*checks wiki*
"You changed wiki before you got here didn't you?"
"ugh..."
 
Oct 20, 2005
10,978
44
91
That's not it at all. As I've said already, it is already being used in some casinos. But obviously everyone wants to throw drama and foolishness into this without actually considering the reason why this question keeps coming up in the poker world.

Which casinos and what poker game were they playing?
 

corwin

Diamond Member
Jan 13, 2006
8,644
9
81
That's not it at all. As I've said already, it is already being used in some casinos. But obviously everyone wants to throw drama and foolishness into this without actually considering the reason why this question keeps coming up in the poker world.

Umm...where does this question keep coming up in the poker world?

And as others have said a little less directly, whatever you were playing at the casino, it wasn't poker...poker uses 5 card hands by definition.
 

darkxshade

Lifer
Mar 31, 2001
13,749
6
81
Well to be fair I'll be a lot of "random" people wouldn't know the regular hand ranks anyway. I know a few personally who demanded proof that 3 of a kind beats 2 pair.

"Hah, 2 pair I win"
"No... 3 of a kind beats 2 pair"
"Fuck off, I'm using 4 cards and you're only using 3 so mine was harder to get"
"That's not how it works"
"Whatever, let's check wiki"
*checks wiki*
"You changed wiki before you got here didn't you?"
"ugh..."

This sounds like a scenario of first time players which is unique as everyone has to learn it from one point or another but the overall consensus is that the normal progression of hands should be well known if you've at least already played any form of poker. But if you took all normal poker players and asked them where a 3 pair falls, a lot of them would still not be too sure.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
30,740
452
126
This sounds like a scenario of first time players which is unique as everyone has to learn it from one point or another but the overall consensus is that the normal progression of hands should be well known if you've at least already played any form of poker. But if you took all normal poker players and asked them where a 3 pair falls, a lot of them would still not be too sure.

What's different from a new players learning the "traditional" rankings vs. you learning the new 6 card rankings? I'm not suggesting to change all poker everywhere, but to have a new poker game that includes 6 card hands wouldn't be much different than a noob learning 5 cards.
 

sactwnguy

Member
Apr 17, 2007
101
0
76
Original poster you obviously dont understand pai-gow poker, im not sure why you would use that as an example for three pair. In pai-gow you play two separate hands against the dealers two hands. Your high hand consists of 5 cards and your low hand consists of 2 cards. The only time three pairs would even be remotely considered is if the casino has a side bet for suckers.
 

AstroManLuca

Lifer
Jun 24, 2004
15,628
5
81
Original poster you obviously dont understand pai-gow poker, im not sure why you would use that as an example for three pair. In pai-gow you play two separate hands against the dealers two hands. Your high hand consists of 5 cards and your low hand consists of 2 cards. The only time three pairs would even be remotely considered is if the casino has a side bet for suckers.

Yeah look at corwin's post above. I don't doubt that there are casinos out there that have special house card games similar to poker that allow six card hands, but that is a special game and not actually poker. I don't believe there is any standard poker game (popular or otherwise) that allows six card hands. It's all house rules or house games.
 

Kyteland

Diamond Member
Dec 30, 2002
5,747
1
81
The headache is entirely on your end, everyone keeps talking about other hands and it seems most people here don't really understand how poker works.

I've been making casino games for years, including poker variants. I "really understand" how poker works. It's a tough nut to crack, making a new poker game, but if you think you've done it there's money to be made there. You're welcome to try your 6 card hand and see if it sticks. Fair warning though, long experience has shown me that poker players don't like it when you change the rules on them.

Your specific idea has probably been evaluated and discarded numerous times. I know I've looked into it before, and it has problems. Many of those problems have already been listed in this thread. I doubt any major game manufacturer hasn't tried something along those lines at one point in time. I don't believe it would gain any following in a casino.

But don't let that stop you. I've been known to be wrong from time to time.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
Umm...where does this question keep coming up in the poker world?

And as others have said a little less directly, whatever you were playing at the casino, it wasn't poker...poker uses 5 card hands by definition.

A definition that can be changed, hence the question and hence the example that it has already been done. And it is something that is brought up, specifically this hand and no other.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
13,312
1
0
this is a retarded fucking question. have you even played any type of poker? i would have assumed you had by reading your posts, but goddamn. there are set hands in poker. every variation of poker has to some how come up with those hands. how they are ranked is of no consequence, only that those are the hands that make up the game. adding a 6th card breaks that and would require a completely NEW type of game to be played, not a poker variant as a SHITLOAD of new combinations occur and hand dynamics shift.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
this is a retarded fucking question. have you even played any type of poker? i would have assumed you had by reading your posts, but goddamn. there are set hands in poker. every variation of poker has to some how come up with those hands. how they are ranked is of no consequence, only that those are the hands that make up the game. adding a 6th card breaks that and would require a completely NEW type of game to be played, not a poker variant as a SHITLOAD of new combinations occur and hand dynamics shift.

It breaks nothing, you don't have to make a new type, and IT IS ALREADY BEING DONE. I don't know how many times I gotta say it, it is done and it works just fine. Adding this hand does not fundamentally alter the way the game is played. You guys make it out to seem it radically changes things, when it doesn't.
 

zanejohnson

Diamond Member
Nov 29, 2002
7,054
17
81
you could technically get 3 pairs in hold em, but you an only use 5 cards, so it would default to high pair.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
you could technically get 3 pairs in hold em, but you an only use 5 cards, so it would default to high pair.

This conversation is going in circles due to the lack of reading comprehension of the majority of users here.
 

zanejohnson

Diamond Member
Nov 29, 2002
7,054
17
81
It breaks nothing, you don't have to make a new type, and IT IS ALREADY BEING DONE. I don't know how many times I gotta say it, it is done and it works just fine. Adding this hand does not fundamentally alter the way the game is played. You guys make it out to seem it radically changes things, when it doesn't.

it does! what about full houses! royal flushes!!!
 

zanejohnson

Diamond Member
Nov 29, 2002
7,054
17
81
This conversation is going in circles due to the lack of reading comprehension of the majority of users here.

didn't realize people are still out there who dont know how to play poker... you guys need to bring your cash, and come to my house for beers and poker
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
it does! what about full houses! royal flushes!!!

It has absolutely zero impact on those hands. I don't know why people keep thinking it does. Adding a 6-card hand doesn't imply that all hands can potentially become 6-card hands. Adding this hand does not alter any other hands in any way. Flushes are still 5-card hands.
 

zanejohnson

Diamond Member
Nov 29, 2002
7,054
17
81
It has absolutely zero impact on those hands. I don't know why people keep thinking it does. Adding a 6-card hand doesn't imply that all hands can potentially become 6-card hands. Adding this hand does not alter any other hands in any way. Flushes are still 5-card hands.

but it fucks everything up, makes those hands easier to attain when there is an extra card in the hand, and then 3 pair? where ya gonna put that? above full house?
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
13,312
1
0
malak, in NO poker game is three pair an acceptable hand. what you are playing is NOT a poker game, but some other game. poker has SET hands that can be played, their ranking or order doesn't have to be the same but those are the only hands that can be played.

so i'm going to call bullshit on your thread title, you weren't thinking.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
but it fucks everything up, makes those hands easier to attain when there is an extra card in the hand, and then 3 pair? where ya gonna put that? above full house?

I don't understand how hard this is to understand. It doesn't impact or affect any other hand in the game. Many variations of poker already have 7 cards. From what I've seen, casino's rank it between 2 pair and 3 of a kind. My initial thought is whether that is proper placement for the probability of getting this hand.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
14,696
2
0
malak, in NO poker game is three pair an acceptable hand. what you are playing is NOT a poker game, but some other game. poker has SET hands that can be played, their ranking or order doesn't have to be the same but those are the only hands that can be played.

so i'm going to call bullshit on your thread title, you weren't thinking.

In at least one poker game it is acceptable, if the casino lists it as an acceptable hand. It isn't "some other game" it is an established poker variation found in most casinos where I saw it used.

The hands that can be played are set by the variation, and they can be changed by the casino for the sake of rewards, especially for games where you play against the dealer rather than the other players. For instance a 4 of a kind can win you money if in a certain configuration in most casinos, regardless if you beat the other players. This doesn't alter the way the game is played, just gives players more ways to win. Paigow typically only pays out to 3 of a kind or better, but some places you break even with 3 pair. It does not in any way impact the way the game is played, has no impact on other hands, makes no fundamental changes to poker.

You make no sense by thinking it's a disaster to have this hand.
 

MikeMike

Lifer
Feb 6, 2000
45,885
66
91
I don't understand how hard this is to understand. It doesn't impact or affect any other hand in the game. Many variations of poker already have 7 cards. From what I've seen, casino's rank it between 2 pair and 3 of a kind. My initial thought is whether that is proper placement for the probability of getting this hand.

ignoring all the stupid shit about 5 card, 6 card (cuz i can) and 7 card...

i say the valuation is correct... you have a similar possibility of getting 3 cards that match up with your hand, or however many you need.... as you do getting the third card of the two that you have... its a lot of math though, and i currently understand that 2+2=5
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |