I was wrong about windows 10

Majcric

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Like many here when My systems with 7 and 8 prompted me with a chance to get a go at Windows 10, I took it. And was very underwhelmed. It was loaded with bugs and I spent more time twinking it than actually getting to use it as it was intended. And I kept thinking to myself how can users be satisfied with this unstable garbage.

Switched to a new Platform and bought a system builders disc to install it clean. None of that upgrade stuff. The OS just seems to work now and feels nice and fluid like. The verdict is I'm pretty darn impressed. Heck I may even purchase another copy.

like the old saying if it seems too good to be true then it probably is, i.e, Free

Edit: If anyone is wondering I went with the Pro version.
 
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WilliamM2

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Are you saying the free version has issues? I haven't had any, other than drivers updating automatically, which is by design.

You can clean install the free version you know. Why pay for a free upgrade? There is no difference, and installing from USB is so much faster than a disc.
 

SimMike2

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I think he is saying doing an upgrade of your old OS is the problem. Even if you get the free upgrade version, you can still do a clean install.
 

Dahak

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I think he is saying doing an upgrade of your old OS is the problem. Even if you get the free upgrade version, you can still do a clean install.

Correct, You can even now do a clean install without having to upgrade first, since the updated that was released back in November now allows you to enter your Win7 or Win8 keys now

I believe the issues where more related to the upgrade.

Even if you do the upgrade and you find you have issues, you can still do a clean install after and Win10 will be valid/activated
 

Majcric

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Are you saying the free version has issues? I haven't had any, other than drivers updating automatically, which is by design.

You can clean install the free version you know. Why pay for a free upgrade? There is no difference, and installing from USB is so much faster than a disc.


learn something everyday, I was unaware of being able to create a clean install after doing the upgrade. Never really looked into it that much. Regarding the disc I got it at a good price.
 
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Majcric

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The upgrade install from say windows 7 to 10 went smooth. It's after 10 was installed it just felt half-balked you might say like a trial version. I had a few freezes, audio problems, my install folders were rearranged, etc.

I do wish I had known about the clean install. Since my copy running from the disc feels alive and fluid now. Legit like I have the real thing.
 

Puffnstuff

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Glad to hear things are working out for you. A clean install always works best for me and I feel like once Redstone is released that I might have to do it again.
 

nerp

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While most people will have no issues upgrading, there are plenty who do. A clean install is always best. I've always felt upgrades are for situations where it is virtually impossible to ensure that every application and file can be installed fresh. I've met people who lost install media for software that can't be found or downloaded online or registered versions of software but lost the paper copy of the serial key and the software publisher is out of business, things like that.
 

SparkyJJO

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The upgrade install from say windows 7 to 10 went smooth. It's after 10 was installed it just felt half-balked you might say like a trial version. I had a few freezes, audio problems, my install folders were rearranged, etc.

I do wish I had known about the clean install. Since my copy running from the disc feels alive and fluid now. Legit like I have the real thing.

When did you do the upgrade originally?

The initial public release back end of July last year was a fair bit more "half-baked." November they had a major update that helped finish baking that cake. I noticed a number of things improved after that, some were just appearance and others were function, while I never had any real system stability issues I did have a few irritating bugs that were resolved with that November update.
 

nerp

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When did you do the upgrade originally?

The initial public release back end of July last year was a fair bit more "half-baked." November they had a major update that helped finish baking that cake. I noticed a number of things improved after that, some were just appearance and others were function, while I never had any real system stability issues I did have a few irritating bugs that were resolved with that November update.

Very true. The current public build of Windows 10 is much improved over the original July release. It very much felt like a beta release prior to the November update. Since the initial release, drivers have caught up a bit as well. Another indication that early adoption of anything presents a potentially bumpy road ahead.
 

AMDisTheBEST

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Like many here when My systems with 7 and 8 prompted me with a chance to get a go at Windows 10, I took it. And was very underwhelmed. It was loaded with bugs and I spent more time twinking it than actually getting to use it as it was intended. And I kept thinking to myself how can users be satisfied with this unstable garbage.

Switched to a new Platform and bought a system builders disc to install it clean. None of that upgrade stuff. The OS just seems to work now and feels nice and fluid like. The verdict is I'm pretty darn impressed. Heck I may even purchase another copy.

like the old saying if it seems too good to be true then it probably is, i.e, Free

Edit: If anyone is wondering I went with the Pro version.

Lol, join the club! Winblows has been getting better, but only after 5 clean install and weekly update. I am using the pro version. The OS to me is still meh but its usable now.

You dont need to buy a license key. Once you upgraded, You can clean install as many times you like. Your license key is tie to your motherboard.
 
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escrow4

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Very true. The current public build of Windows 10 is much improved over the original July release. It very much felt like a beta release prior to the November update. Since the initial release, drivers have caught up a bit as well. Another indication that early adoption of anything presents a potentially bumpy road ahead.

This a third time. Win 10 is now up to 10586.218 using winver and its much more mature. Although Winver doesn't have a proper icon, just a generic one for some reason. :sneaky:
 

VirtualLarry

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When it works as intended, it is great. It gets better after a while when you get used to it
I still don't "like" Win10, but I am getting used to it. But every time I contemplate upgrading from Win7, I decide not to.

Really, for me, one of the determining points is that *I'm* in control of *my* PC. With forced updates in Win10, that's no longer true.
 

postmortemIA

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Clean install is not always an option. Definitely I've had problems past upgrade on both of my PCs. With one, I had to stick with upgrade and things got better with build 1511, which is really another upgrade.
 

mikeymikec

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I still don't "like" Win10, but I am getting used to it. But every time I contemplate upgrading from Win7, I decide not to.

Really, for me, one of the determining points is that *I'm* in control of *my* PC. With forced updates in Win10, that's no longer true.

I'm still holding out in the small hope that MS will royally screw up with a Windows Update that breaks a multitude of computers, makes international news and a policy change results, but as time goes on that is increasingly unlikely IMO.
 

Sheep221

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I still don't "like" Win10, but I am getting used to it. But every time I contemplate upgrading from Win7, I decide not to.

Really, for me, one of the determining points is that *I'm* in control of *my* PC. With forced updates in Win10, that's no longer true.
Before Win10 updates were optional choice, but EVERYONE at least a bit tech savvy had them enabled and recommended to do so to everyone else, now when they removed turn off button, everyone has changed their mind about windows updates being evil and forced violently into everyone's machines. The situation didn't change, only how it's perceived.
 

mikeymikec

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Before Win10 updates were optional choice, but EVERYONE at least a bit tech savvy had them enabled and recommended to do so to everyone else, now when they removed turn off button, everyone has changed their mind about windows updates being evil and forced violently into everyone's machines. The situation didn't change, only how it's perceived.

That might apply to some people, but leading up to the Windows 10 release, I saw a load of problems regarding Windows updates (notably ones pertaining to the upgrade) failing to install and causing problems. It's also a pretty commonly held opinion that driver updates that come in via WU are risky (though not an opinion I subscribe to myself). I also have seen a lot of problems regarding non-standard graphics configurations (e.g. multi monitor, or say DVI connections on Vista), particularly with nvidia cards, and when MS was pushing nvidia updates through WU for a while, it routinely broke the configuration. With my parents' machine I had to swap out a GeForce 7xxx for a GeForce 6xxx because DVI flat-out did not work with semi-recent (to the time) drivers.

MS has also done some rather shady things with Windows updates in the past, like pushing plug-ins for Firefox, or the telemetry stuff, and more recently their labelling of Windows Updates has become rather vague when it suits them. There was one recently that was marked as critical or important that supplied an IE plug-in to try and encourage users to upgrade to Windows 10.

I have Windows Update set to automatic on my Windows 7 home PC, but I definitely want to reserve the right to pick and choose, especially in the event that MS sends through an update that breaks things.

The thing that really gets my goat about MS forcing Windows updates is: Why bother?
 
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nerp

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FWIW I've not had a problem with a Windows Update breaking anything in more than 10 years.
 

quikah

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The thing that really gets my goat about MS forcing Windows updates is: Why bother?






MS says to many people didn't update their systems causing massive security issues. No clue if that is true, but they have more data than I do.
 

Anteaus

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I don't think MS is necessarily wrong about enforcing mandatory updates, especially if it keeps security and stability updates flowing. In my opinion the problem was that it wasn't ready for prime time at Windows 10 release and created an avoidable technical crisis that became a PR nightmare. The core of Windows 10 was ready to go, but the supporting infrastructure wasn't fully in place. Drivers were stepping on each other, updates were failing to install, and Microsoft had obviously not bothered to actually poll users as to how much control they were willing to cede to MS. As icing on the cake, MS took on a holier than though attitude which operated under the premise that users couldn't be trusted to make important decisions and that MS could only make decisions if they had unrestricted access to system telemetry and user activity.

We seriously need a Digital Consumers Bill of Rights. I'm exhausted with companies using EULA to create virtual fiefdoms of absolute power. There should be realistic limits to what developer expectations can be after the license is issued.
 

mikeymikec

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MS says to many people didn't update their systems causing massive security issues. No clue if that is true, but they have more data than I do.

They also claimed that no-one was using the Start menu any more in Win7. Uh-huh....

Of course, the fact that in my daily work I see a multitude of customers' systems is not a definitive measure, but I'd say I encounter one customer per year who had Windows Update not set to automatic. On the other hand, barely a week goes by that I'm not removing some sort of malware from customers' computers.

Admittedly my customer base is far more likely to be comprised of people who aren't that comfortable or au fait using computers, so again another reason not to think of it as definitive, but I don't think I've ever heard of it as a topic in mainstream or IT pro/semi-pro press. Furthermore, how many times does someone on this forum say they don't install Windows updates? In the time I've been here I may have read such a thing maybe five times?

I don't think MS is necessarily wrong about enforcing mandatory updates, especially if it keeps security and stability updates flowing. In my opinion the problem was that it wasn't ready for prime time at Windows 10 release and created an avoidable technical crisis that became a PR nightmare. The core of Windows 10 was ready to go, but the supporting infrastructure wasn't fully in place. Drivers were stepping on each other, updates were failing to install, and Microsoft had obviously not bothered to actually poll users as to how much control they were willing to cede to MS. As icing on the cake, MS took on a holier than though attitude which operated under the premise that users couldn't be trusted to make important decisions and that MS could only make decisions if they had unrestricted access to system telemetry and user activity.

IMO this is an argument that MS is necessarily wrong about enforcing mandatory updates: If their decision-making process is so broken that they came to the conclusion that the way they went about it was a good idea, then the stage for screw-ups was already set. Furthermore I think they've been *extremely* fortunate that this hasn't blown up in their faces in an extreme fashion. Given the PR nightmares that were Vista and Win8x, I'm surprised they didn't step more carefully, but IMO it simply boils down to arrogance.

Everyone knows that a new OS is likely to have "teething issues", there's enough historical evidence for that to be a given. MS still thought such a plan was a good idea.

If I was responsible for considering such a decision, I would want to get a few years of Windows 10 updates running properly (and by properly I mean that if some people have problems with updates, the root cause is found to be something that wasn't really avoidable, e.g. malware, or a very illogical OS configuration like the ones OEMs came up with that caused XP SP3 to blow up), behind it before saying "this may be a good idea".
 
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Majcric

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When did you do the upgrade originally?

The initial public release back end of July last year was a fair bit more "half-baked." November they had a major update that helped finish baking that cake. I noticed a number of things improved after that, some were just appearance and others were function, while I never had any real system stability issues I did have a few irritating bugs that were resolved with that November update.


It wasn't long after the offer was available. Like a lot of people I was curious to try the new operating system. So yeah, I'm thinking way before November.

I wonder if this is why I never seen the clean install opportunity?
 

Majcric

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Something I really like about windows 10 is the way it handles my usb WD passport. Simply plug and play. Windows 7 could never get the SES driver to work properly.
 
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