"I Was Wrong!"

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
"Blah blah blah" is your response???????

It is a waste trying to get even slightly intellectual with you liberals.

edit- you guys crack me up.. you say "blah blah blah" to something like this.

Anyway, for educational purposes- Adolf was conquering nations and making them a part of their empire.

That isnt the same doctrine thats being followed here, we are LIBERATING. As in, removing a brutal dictator that systematically murders his own people. You know, Genocide?

Regarding GENOCIDE... wow. Blah blah blah was a pretty elaborate, and intellectual response.
Keepem coming.

See the reason you are wrong is in the pudding.. when someone says "blah blah blah", when someone points out the difference between empire building and liberation as it relates to current events is very, very sad.

This is actually very sad to see the state of our nations mindset sink to this kind of level.

You are comparing the worst monster in modern history, who invaded most of Europe and killed millions of jews, one of the greatest military powers in modern history, to Saddam Hussein?

Eh, ok, explain how your twisted mind can make that comparison work, in what way, shape or form was SH a threat to the US?

Besides, US didn't win WWII by themselves, they didn't even get involved before they were attacked, remember Roosevelts words "we will NOT get involved in the war in Europe".

Stay in school, read a book, see your shrink. 'kthxbye.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
"Blah blah blah" is your response???????

It is a waste trying to get even slightly intellectual with you liberals.

edit- you guys crack me up.. you say "blah blah blah" to something like this.

Anyway, for educational purposes- Adolf was conquering nations and making them a part of their empire.

That isnt the same doctrine thats being followed here, we are LIBERATING. As in, removing a brutal dictator that systematically murders his own people. You know, Genocide?

Regarding GENOCIDE... wow. Blah blah blah was a pretty elaborate, and intellectual response.
Keepem coming.

See the reason you are wrong is in the pudding.. when someone says "blah blah blah", when someone points out the difference between empire building and liberation as it relates to current events is very, very sad.

This is actually very sad to see the state of our nations mindset sink to this kind of level.

Don't worry about Klixxer. His sense of history is different from ours. The German education system doesn't teach the full history of Hilter and his quest for world domination according to two German exchange students I knew in highschool. One of them stayed with us, she was from Leverkusen and the other one stayed with a different family - he was a "Berlinner" like Klixxer here. Both were shocked to see what our system taught about WW1 and WW2. They were amazed to learn things Hitler and the Nazi since it was almost a taboo subject according to them.

Anyway - back to the thread.

CkG

 

[Edge3D]

Do you really have to say, "my twisted mind"?
Thats probably unnecessary, wouldnt you say.

Anyway, if you want to talk.. I will speak with you, just relax though.

I would give a honest reply to you but you are yet another mean-spirited person to assume that before the debate has even started, that you have somehow won.

"Kthxbye"?? Why do you guys constantly want to stifle debate?
I will go up against any of you publicly in these forums and will humiliate you.

Do not try to turn me away with such weak responses. It wins you no fanfare.

I'm not going to continue answering your questions with your bad attitude attached.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Edge3D
"Blah blah blah" is your response???????

It is a waste trying to get even slightly intellectual with you liberals.

edit- you guys crack me up.. you say "blah blah blah" to something like this.

Anyway, for educational purposes- Adolf was conquering nations and making them a part of their empire.

That isnt the same doctrine thats being followed here, we are LIBERATING. As in, removing a brutal dictator that systematically murders his own people. You know, Genocide?

Regarding GENOCIDE... wow. Blah blah blah was a pretty elaborate, and intellectual response.
Keepem coming.

See the reason you are wrong is in the pudding.. when someone says "blah blah blah", when someone points out the difference between empire building and liberation as it relates to current events is very, very sad.

This is actually very sad to see the state of our nations mindset sink to this kind of level.

Don't worry about Klixxer. His sense of history is different from ours. The German education system doesn't teach the full history of Hilter and his quest for world domination according to two German exchange students I knew in highschool. One of them stayed with us, she was from Leverkusen and the other one stayed with a different family - he was a "Berlinner" like Klixxer here. Both were shocked to see what our system taught about WW1 and WW2. They were amazed to learn things Hitler and the Nazi since it was almost a taboo subject according to them.

Anyway - back to the thread.

CkG

Too bad that i grew up in Finland, eh, troll boy. You can continue to troll your boat now.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
The threat was the same reason that Senator Kerry voted for the war.
Maybe, you should ask him. :laugh:

I'll give you the actual reasons WHY Senator Kerry and President Bush enacted the war.. but you'll have to ask nicely.

You think I was joking or wasn't asking nicely? What threat did Iraq pose to the US? I'm deadly serious because the President hasn't reminded me recently.

Zephyr

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Too bad that i grew up in Finland, eh, troll boy. You can continue to troll your boat now.

That's great that you grew up in Finland. How did they teach history Are you really a German? If not then why do you keep referring to it as "my country"? I still find it interesting that Germans aren't taught the evils of Hitler -but that is for a different thread. Your sense of history is still messed up if you don't understand Edge3D's post.

CkG

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
Do you really have to say, "my twisted mind"?
Thats probably unnecessary, wouldnt you say.

Anyway, if you want to talk.. I will speak with you, just relax though.

I would give a honest reply to you but you are yet another mean-spirited person to assume that before the debate has even started, that you have somehow won.

"Kthxbye"?? Why do you guys constantly want to stifle debate?
I will go up against any of you publicly in these forums and will humiliate you.

Do not try to turn me away with such weak responses. It wins you no fanfare.

I'm not going to continue answering your questions with your bad attitude attached.

Comparing the Nazis atrocities and the threat of Nazi Germany to SH wins you the twisted mind award, but by all means, please own me by telling me how the two even compare.

"continue answering your questions"? eh, you haven't answered one yet, so, please do, and just answer plain and simple, in what way, shape or form was SH a threat to the US?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Too bad that i grew up in Finland, eh, troll boy. You can continue to troll your boat now.

That's great that you grew up in Finland. How did they teach history Are you really a German? If not then why do you keep referring to it as "my country"? I still find it interesting that Germans aren't taught the evils of Hitler -but that is for a different thread. Your sense of history is still messed up if you don't understand Edge3D's post.

CkG

Well, my history is kinda interesting, but i won't divert the thread, if you are interested, you can ask about it, i do live in Berlin.

I understood his post and i am not questioning the atrocities that Nazi Germany committed towards both Jews and other people, i just cannot understand how anyone can belittle it so much as to say that anything SH has done is even comparable. If you think it is i would say that you need to learn more about the Nazis.

Besides, it was the THREAT of SH compared to Nazi Germany i was questioning.

I am not entirely familiar with the German school system, all i know is that they are indeed taught about Nazism and the atrocities committed by the Nazis.

 

[Edge3D]

It did seem like a joke. Did it not? I mean, if you dont remember why removing Saddam has made us safer you have a much worse memory than the already famous American societal short-term memory.

I'll go ahead and state why I think he was a threat to us.. but if you arent convinced already, I dont know why you are asking as I doubt you're going to be changing your mind anytime soon.
I'm here to be as friendly as possible with you guys but it seems anything Pro-Bush or Pro-American is scorned by mobviolence around here.

That is fine, if you guys prefer to quell any ideas or thoughts that dont agree with yours and prefer to smash people down with replies like "blah blah blah" (as SMASHING of a reply as that might be), then you might as well talk to a tree about your leftist ideals because all the conservatives will simply leave the forum.

Anyway, in response to your question- The war was fought for two reasons, first for 9/11 named an axis of evil and declared if you read the national security strategy paper of the US, you will see we live in a world where terrorists can deliver WMD to the US, we don't have borders, we have millions of containers coming in that don't get inspected, one nuclear device (which are getting smaller and smaller), one canister of anthrax or nerve gas delivered by a terrorist to the US will kill tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of people. Saddam Hussein is our declared enemy and he had the programs to develop these weapons, there's no disputing that.
We've only examined a dozen or so of the 120 sites. We don't know if the weapons he had are in Syria or Iran. We know he was developing them. So we know he was a threat.
He has aligned himself with Al Qaeda, even though he modeled himself after Mussolini literally. The Bathst party is a fascist party modeled on Italian fascism and German fascism of the 30s. That's who Saddam Hussein is. He later years began speaking in Islamic martyrdom, financing suicide bombers, anybody involved in suicide bombers is involved in radical Islam. That's what its about.

He was in defiance of 17 UN resolutions including one that by Dec 7th 2002 (4 months before he was attacked) he had to deliver a report accounting for the weapons that Hans Blix and the UN inspectors knew he had and he didn't do that. That's why we went to war. Any candidate who accuses the president of lying or bringing us to war on under false circumstances and killing American troops for no reason, by that very statement should be disqualified for running for president, and is himself an enemy to this country.
The only reason, we have not had a terrorist attack in the United States and Americans have not died in this country, is because George Bush has taken the war to the enemy camp. He took it to Afghanistan, he took it to Iraq. We have fought Al-Qaeda in Tikrit and Basra instead of New York and Washington. He has eliminated 2/3rds of the Al Qaeda leadership, he has them so off balance that the only attacks they are capable of are in Muslim countries where there are so many of them.

If you are not convinced, or even THINKING about this.. then you might as well go pay a visit to that tree I referred you too.

 

[glugglug]

Edit: ok, maybe what I had here is too harsh. But seriously, what about recent events could POSSIBLY change someone's mind in that direction?

 

[Edge3D]

Originally posted by: glugglug
As a member of the clergy, what most likely changed his mind is that he greatly approves of the homosexual rape done to the POW inmates.

Ya yuck yuck yuck thats pretty cool.

What a disgusting and defaming comment.

I'd like for you to say that in public, or another Catholics FACE. You deserve to be banned for that comment.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Conjur, if "parroting" bothers you, you must really be annoyed with Kerry.

Kerry's just parroting his speechwriters

"John Kerry said something amazing the other day. He was talking to the Wall Street Journal and was asked about his many attacks on ''Benedict Arnold CEOs'' -- for example: ''We will repeal every single benefit, every single loophole, every single reward for any Benedict Arnold CEO or corporation that take American jobs overseas and stick you with the bill.'' (Kerry in Virginia, Feb. 10)

Senator Flippy has now decided this line is nonoperative. As he told the chaps at the Journal, ''You know, I called a couple of times to overzealous speechwriters and said 'Look, that's not what I'm saying.' Benedict Arnold does not refer to somebody who in the normal course of business is going to go overseas and take jobs overseas. That happens. I support that. I understand that. I was referring to the people who take advantage of noneconomic transactions purely for tax purposes -- sham transactions -- and give up American citizenship. That's a Benedict Arnold. You give up your American citizenship but you want to continue to do business.''

Got that? When Kerry talks about ''any Benedict Arnold CEO or corporation that takes American jobs overseas,'' he's not referring to someone who ''takes jobs overseas.'' Perish the thought! He's all in favor of taking jobs overseas. It wasn't him who attacked all those ''Benedict Arnold CEOs,'' just his ''overzealous speechwriters.'' And the minute he discovered it was going on, he called them to say, ''Look, that's not what I'm saying.''"

Hahaha. Vinatge Kerry.

Hijacking your own thread already?

And, again, how is that parroting? He's corrected his speechwriters to change the wording to more accurately reflect his opinion on outsourcing of jobs. I suppose you want to Kerry to oppose ALL outsourcing, unlike Bush?

His comment suggests that he doesn't read his speeches before he delivers them. If that's not parroting, what is?

Either that, or he's falsely blaming his speech writers for his own stupid remarks.

So is he parroting or lying?

Which is it?

Neither.

He probably just realized the phrase wasn't getting his idea across.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
The threat was the same reason that Senator Kerry voted for the war.
Maybe, you should ask him. :laugh:

I'll give you the actual reasons WHY Senator Kerry and President Bush enacted the war.. but you'll have to ask nicely.

Kerry already explained why he voted to authorize force (not enact the war). I'm quoting from memory, but he said, "I didn't think Bush would fvck it up so badly."

You see, Bush lied to them. Bush said he would use force as a last resort. Instead, he started preparing the invasion before the ink was dry on the authorization.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: glugglug
As a member of the clergy, what most likely changed his mind is that he greatly approves of the homosexual rape done to the POW inmates.

Ya yuck yuck yuck thats pretty cool.

What a disgusting and defaming comment.

I'd like for you to say that in public, or another Catholics FACE. You deserve to be banned for that comment.

Nah, it isn't banning material here. It's "OK" to ridicule Catholics or any other person who believes in God. It's "OK" to make fun of sodomy and homosexual pedophilia/child molestation but the line stops at actual homosexuals.

Just FYI.

CkG

 

[Edge3D]

Bush did not lie. Thats a very serious allegation to say a President lied. Its propaganda.

I'll tell you this much, if he lied.. he would already be gone. It'd be all over the news, but its not.

 

[Edge3D]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: glugglug
As a member of the clergy, what most likely changed his mind is that he greatly approves of the homosexual rape done to the POW inmates.

Ya yuck yuck yuck thats pretty cool.

What a disgusting and defaming comment.

I'd like for you to say that in public, or another Catholics FACE. You deserve to be banned for that comment.

Nah, it isn't banning material here. It's "OK" to ridicule Catholics or any other person who believes in God. It's "OK" to make fun of sodomy and homosexual pedophilia/child molestation but the line stops at actual homosexuals.

Just FYI.

CkG

No, it had better be banning material. I'm VERY disgusted by that comment. I am not keen on getting people banned, I'm VERY tolerant.. pretty much anyone can say anything to me.

But that was just too far. Its no different than placing the radical Islamics blame on every peaceful (I think the majority) of Muslims out there.
The molestation was a very SERIOUS thing. So is the suicide bombing.

I HATE when leftists target all people of faith that way, its horrid smear that says nothing about the people that TRULY follow the faith. Its just not right.

edit- I'm not going to report it to the Mods because I DO believe in TRUE tolerance.. even tolerance of those who quite clearly hate people of faith. I doubt the same courtesy would ever be extended to me, judging from the mentality around here. That is not the point, I live by certain principles.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
It did seem like a joke. Did it not? I mean, if you dont remember why removing Saddam has made us safer you have a much worse memory than the already famous American societal short-term memory.

I'll go ahead and state why I think he was a threat to us.. but if you arent convinced already, I dont know why you are asking as I doubt you're going to be changing your mind anytime soon.
I'm here to be as friendly as possible with you guys but it seems anything Pro-Bush or Pro-American is scorned by mobviolence around here.

That is fine, if you guys prefer to quell any ideas or thoughts that dont agree with yours and prefer to smash people down with replies like "blah blah blah" (as SMASHING of a reply as that might be), then you might as well talk to a tree about your leftist ideals because all the conservatives will simply leave the forum.

Anyway, in response to your question- The war was fought for two reasons, first for 9/11 named an axis of evil and declared if you read the national security strategy paper of the US, you will see we live in a world where terrorists can deliver WMD to the US, we don't have borders, we have millions of containers coming in that don't get inspected, one nuclear device (which are getting smaller and smaller), one canister of anthrax or nerve gas delivered by a terrorist to the US will kill tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of people. Saddam Hussein is our declared enemy and he had the programs to develop these weapons, there's no disputing that.
We've only examined a dozen or so of the 120 sites. We don't know if the weapons he had are in Syria or Iran. We know he was developing them. So we know he was a threat.
He has aligned himself with Al Qaeda, even though he modeled himself after Mussolini literally. The Bathst party is a fascist party modeled on Italian fascism and German fascism of the 30s. That's who Saddam Hussein is. He later years began speaking in Islamic martyrdom, financing suicide bombers, anybody involved in suicide bombers is involved in radical Islam. That's what its about.

He was in defiance of 17 UN resolutions including one that by Dec 7th 2002 (4 months before he was attacked) he had to deliver a report accounting for the weapons that Hans Blix and the UN inspectors knew he had and he didn't do that. That's why we went to war. Any candidate who accuses the president of lying or bringing us to war on under false circumstances and killing American troops for no reason, by that very statement should be disqualified for running for president, and is himself an enemy to this country.
The only reason, we have not had a terrorist attack in the United States and Americans have not died in this country, is because George Bush has taken the war to the enemy camp. He took it to Afghanistan, he took it to Iraq. We have fought Al-Qaeda in Tikrit and Basra instead of New York and Washington. He has eliminated 2/3rds of the Al Qaeda leadership, he has them so off balance that the only attacks they are capable of are in Muslim countries where there are so many of them.

If you are not convinced, or even THINKING about this.. then you might as well go pay a visit to that tree I referred you too.

No proof of connections to Al Quaida, no proof of WMD's (the wmd threat was based on falsified information), he payed all palestinian families that had a family member killed. (BTW, SA does the same, but being friendly with the US has it's perks, you get to torture your population and support terrorism as much as you please)

You can't use UN resolutions without getting the UN involved, period.

Show me ONE piece of evidence that ONE single member of Al Quaida has been killed in Tikrit or Basra.

Not ONE of the leaders of Al Quaida have been caught in Iraq.

I think you are mistunderstanding something here, the war on terror is important, no one disputes that, but Iraq has nothing to do with it, the war on terror and the WMD lie was used to justify an aggressive war against a soverign nation, if you were to take a look at the laws of the organization whose resolutions you are using for support you would see that this war was indeed illegal under international law.

A MUCH more logical step would be to send forces into Pakistan, which is where most of Al Quaida was after Afghanistan and probably are today.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
Bush did not lie. Thats a very serious allegation to say a President lied. Its propaganda.

I'll tell you this much, if he lied.. he would already be gone. It'd be all over the news, but its not.

They hate Bush so much that they'll say just about anything. I think that many of them want the mission in Iraq to fail so Bush won't get re-elected. Just look at all the gleeful posts over any bit of bad news, either real or imagined.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: glugglug
As a member of the clergy, what most likely changed his mind is that he greatly approves of the homosexual rape done to the POW inmates.

Ya yuck yuck yuck thats pretty cool.

What a disgusting and defaming comment.

I'd like for you to say that in public, or another Catholics FACE. You deserve to be banned for that comment.

Nah, it isn't banning material here. It's "OK" to ridicule Catholics or any other person who believes in God. It's "OK" to make fun of sodomy and homosexual pedophilia/child molestation but the line stops at actual homosexuals.

Just FYI.

CkG

No, it had better be banning material. I'm VERY disgusted by that comment. I am not keen on getting people banned, I'm VERY tolerant.. pretty much anyone can say anything to me.

But that was just too far. Its no different than placing the radical Islamics blame on every peaceful (I think the majority) of Muslims out there.
The molestation was a very SERIOUS thing. So is the suicide bombing.

I HATE when leftists target all people of faith that way, its horrid smear that says nothing about the people that TRULY follow the faith. Its just not right.

edit- I'm not going to report it to the Mods because I DO believe in TRUE tolerance.. even tolerance of those who quite clearly hate people of faith. I doubt the same courtesy would ever be extended to me, judging from the mentality around here.

Comments like that are standard practice here. You just learn to ignore it and recognize the people that post them for what they are.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
Bush did not lie. Thats a very serious allegation to say a President lied. Its propaganda.

I'll tell you this much, if he lied.. he would already be gone. It'd be all over the news, but its not.

This is all very simple, the GW administration, including GW himself said that they KNEW for a FACT that Iraq did not just have WMD's but were in fact expanding their production of WMD's, they even knew exactly where they were, the inspectors went to one or two of those sites and did not even find a trace, then the inspectors had to leave for their own safety, well to this day, the lie remains just that, a lie.

They KNEW NOTHING, they believed, and so did the rest of the world, which is why the inspectors were there, to investigate.

But GW was in a rush, the threat was immediate he said.

Now, i would say that that is all a bunch of lies from GW and his admin.

 

[digiram]

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: conjur
Same problems people have faced in Cuba, North Korea, Egypt, Tibet and a number of other places.


Guess we should grow the military by ten-fold and do some more invadin'!!

You are correct.
Iraq was the first step in bringing freedom and democracy to the world. This should have been done a long time ago when Clinton ignored the call to Jihad against the West.

Erasing the harsh, desolate conditions that the people of the middle east live under will eradicate the desperate fanaticism we are up against and that have attacked us on 9/11.

Desperate conditions equate to desperate measures.

Even as the hawk that President Bush is, he does not do enough. We are not doing enough for the people in the world living under brutal dictators. Though I understand Bush's POV, he MUST remain in office next term because EVERYTHING is on the line this election.. the honor of our nation, the future of freedom in Iraq.

Free societys are a GOOD thing. Bringing that freedom to people, contary to radical leftist belief (who prefer "equal" socialist societys) is not a crime.

I for one believe that instituting a democracy in Iraq will start a domino effect across the middle east in time. No one is going to stick with their old ways once they taste freedom and a taste of the "evil" capitalist dollar.

This war has been a STUNNING blow to leftists across the world.

William Clinton should have taken the 1996 declaration of Jihad to kill all Jews and Westerners seriously.

Alas, it was not and now we are taking care of his mistakes.
To me, that was the reason for his stained legacy, not the Monica scandal and not even the economic boom he had sucessfully destroyed by the end of his 2nd term.

It truly was a shame.

What if someone were to invade our Country, and claimed that our capitalist society has corrupted and destroyed our people. As a propaganda tool, they tell us that they are going to take away the wealth of all of the rich ceo, and redistribute it amongst everyone in the country. What do you think will happen here, in the good ol US of A??

Well, there will be those of us that retaliate (mostly folks that benefit from this type of society, as well as people that just love the country) , and they will be called terrorists. Also, there will be those that rejoice(people from the projects), and they will be displayed, by the invading country's media, as the people that were liberated.

My point is, there is no such thing as a perfect economic system. As great as capitalism is, it has it's flaws. We love this economic system because we've grown up with it, and don't know how it would be like to live in a different type of system. Now, just because we love it so much, it doesn't mean that everyone else in the world will. Therefore, we shouldn't force people to live the way we live. Because we wouldn't like it, if it were the other way around.

BTW, if you really believe that liberation is the main reason for invading Iraq, you must be smoking something.

 

[Edge3D]

I'd love to respond to the flurry of responses I seem to be getting. Did I strike a chord with you boys?
Alas, I dont have all the time in the world and have been spending much more time in this forum than originally intended.. so I am waiting for Zephr's response or questions.
He was the was the one my post was for, he was the one that asked me why we went to war.

I know you all want to chime in, but I should probably extend that courtesy to Zephyr.. he has been fairly courteous to me as well, refraining from the personal slurs I've seen tossed around my way.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
Bush did not lie. Thats a very serious allegation to say a President lied. Its propaganda.

I'll tell you this much, if he lied.. he would already be gone. It'd be all over the news, but its not.

You seem to be suggesting lies are always detected by the media and that lies are always all over the news. You are ignoring that there could be lies we don't know about. In other words, it could be that Bush has lies that simply haven't been detected yet. Alternatively, Bush could lie and the media could fail to report it. You have far too much faith in the mainstream media. And if you are including alternative media, than they are referring to Bush's lies.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: glugglug
As a member of the clergy, what most likely changed his mind is that he greatly approves of the homosexual rape done to the POW inmates.

Ya yuck yuck yuck thats pretty cool.

What a disgusting and defaming comment.

I'd like for you to say that in public, or another Catholics FACE. You deserve to be banned for that comment.

Nah, it isn't banning material here. It's "OK" to ridicule Catholics or any other person who believes in God. It's "OK" to make fun of sodomy and homosexual pedophilia/child molestation but the line stops at actual homosexuals.

Just FYI.

CkG

No, it had better be banning material. I'm VERY disgusted by that comment. I am not keen on getting people banned, I'm VERY tolerant.. pretty much anyone can say anything to me.

But that was just too far. Its no different than placing the radical Islamics blame on every peaceful (I think the majority) of Muslims out there.
The molestation was a very SERIOUS thing. So is the suicide bombing.

I HATE when leftists target all people of faith that way, its horrid smear that says nothing about the people that TRULY follow the faith. Its just not right.

edit- I'm not going to report it to the Mods because I DO believe in TRUE tolerance.. even tolerance of those who quite clearly hate people of faith. I doubt the same courtesy would ever be extended to me, judging from the mentality around here. That is not the point, I live by certain principles.

More than just "leftists" see the hypocrisy in the Catholic Church spouting off that people who don't conform to the church's teaching shouldn't take Communion. I guess as long as they're only molesting little boys it's ok to even perform the consecration!!

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: digiram

Originally posted by: Edge3D

Originally posted by: conjur
Same problems people have faced in Cuba, North Korea, Egypt, Tibet and a number of other places.


Guess we should grow the military by ten-fold and do some more invadin'!!

You are correct.
Iraq was the first step in bringing freedom and democracy to the world. This should have been done a long time ago when Clinton ignored the call to Jihad against the West.

Erasing the harsh, desolate conditions that the people of the middle east live under will eradicate the desperate fanaticism we are up against and that have attacked us on 9/11.

Desperate conditions equate to desperate measures.

Even as the hawk that President Bush is, he does not do enough. We are not doing enough for the people in the world living under brutal dictators. Though I understand Bush's POV, he MUST remain in office next term because EVERYTHING is on the line this election.. the honor of our nation, the future of freedom in Iraq.

Free societys are a GOOD thing. Bringing that freedom to people, contary to radical leftist belief (who prefer "equal" socialist societys) is not a crime.

I for one believe that instituting a democracy in Iraq will start a domino effect across the middle east in time. No one is going to stick with their old ways once they taste freedom and a taste of the "evil" capitalist dollar.

This war has been a STUNNING blow to leftists across the world.

William Clinton should have taken the 1996 declaration of Jihad to kill all Jews and Westerners seriously.

Alas, it was not and now we are taking care of his mistakes.
To me, that was the reason for his stained legacy, not the Monica scandal and not even the economic boom he had sucessfully destroyed by the end of his 2nd term.

It truly was a shame.

What if someone were to invade our Country, and claimed that our capitalist society has corrupted and destroyed our people. As a propaganda tool, they tell us that they are going to take away the wealth of all of the rich ceo, and redistribute it amongst everyone in the country. What do you think will happen here, in the good ol US of A??

Well, there will be those of us that retaliate (mostly folks that benefit from this type of society, as well as people that just love the country) , and they will be called terrorists. Also, there will be those that rejoice(people from the projects), and they will be displayed, by the invading country's media, as the people that were liberated.

My point is, there is no such thing as a perfect economic system. As great as capitalism is, it has it's flaws. We love this economic system because we've grown up with it, and don't know how it would be like to live in a different type of system. Now, just because we love it so much, it doesn't mean that everyone else in the world will. Therefore, we shouldn't force people to live the way we live. Because we wouldn't like it, if it were the other way around.

BTW, if you really believe that liberation is the main reason for invading Iraq, you must be smoking something.

I think that every human being desires freedom - the freedom to make his own decisions and control his own destiny.

If given the choice, how many people do you think would live in a democracy versus a dictatorship?

Think that Iraq was brimming with new immigrants?