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manimal

Lifer
Mar 30, 2007
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Singing is all about breathing. Figure out breathing properly and you are almost there.
 

Triumph

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Pro tip: You can do almost anything you want to do if you're wearing a reflective safety vest, a hard hat, and a clip board. The A-Team taught me this, as well as what I see in real life. If anyone asks you questions, you say, "Hey, I'm just doing my job, take it up with my boss!" and then you continue doing whatever it is that you're doing.
 

Raizinman

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Sep 7, 2007
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And those databases flag hours never equal the actual hours. Rarely does something take longer.

Also, electrical repairs are not on Mitchell or Alldata because there nobody can tell how long it takes to find and trace a short or broken wire. Likewise, in a standard repair they can always add "A bolt broke" or "it required extra cleaning". The auto shop will always win, that is why there is such a thing as a mechanics lien.
 

Midwayman

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2000
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Also, electrical repairs are not on Mitchell or Alldata because there nobody can tell how long it takes to find and trace a short or broken wire. Likewise, in a standard repair they can always add "A bolt broke" or "it required extra cleaning". The auto shop will always win, that is why there is such a thing as a mechanics lien.

Thats fun. Its a flat rate unless it takes more than book time. Then its actual rate.
 

FeuerFrei

Diamond Member
Mar 30, 2005
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Pro tip: You can do almost anything you want to do if you're wearing a reflective safety vest, a hard hat, and a clip board. The A-Team taught me this, as well as what I see in real life. If anyone asks you questions, you say, "Hey, I'm just doing my job, take it up with my boss!" and then you continue doing whatever it is that you're doing.

:hmm: I bet you're the guy that's been going around our neighborhood with a mini backhoe, digging up lawns and installing a "gas line." Sloppy work, I'm calling your boss.
 

makesmefez

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Jun 27, 2013
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No, fuck that. IF book time is 4 hours and he does it in one hour, he should get paid for the 1 hour of work and not to sit on his ass for the other 3. You get paid for the time you work, not the estimated time you might work. I always thought those book hours were bogus.

The height of naivety.

You can think its 'bogus' all you want. But there needs to be a standard of some kind. The fairest of solutions for the customer is book time. These times are researched, not arbitrary.

There would be zero incentive for becoming a faster, more efficient technician. We expect our guys to work at 130% at least.

Many industries have some form of this type of system. Think about it a little.
 

Mixolydian

Lifer
Nov 7, 2011
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Sometimes things are so fucked-up in the sorting facility that management tells drivers to forget about making the commit times for parcels and just use the weather as an excuse.
 

SagaLore

Elite Member
Dec 18, 2001
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She said his reasoning is people get a headache from getting the full prescription.

There is some truth to that though. The first time I got glasses, I asked them to make the final adjustment not quite so sharp, because although I could see the most clearly, it "hurt".
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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There is some truth to that though. The first time I got glasses, I asked them to make the final adjustment not quite so sharp, because although I could see the most clearly, it "hurt".

Maybe you would have got used to it in a few days.
 

brainhulk

Diamond Member
Sep 14, 2007
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I noticed that some members here have not contributed with information from their respective field of expertise.

Stop holding back yo
 

BikeJunkie

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No, fuck that. IF book time is 4 hours and he does it in one hour, he should get paid for the 1 hour of work and not to sit on his ass for the other 3. You get paid for the time you work, not the estimated time you might work. I always thought those book hours were bogus.

I totally disagree with you; makesmefez is right. In any trade, it's silly to expect the more experienced workers to produce more for the same amount of money at a higher rate of effort expenditure.

I'm a very experienced software developer/architect and can do things in a fraction of the time it takes your average developer, yet I don't charge any more or less for a given job. I do, however, get said job done a helluva lot quicker, which allows me to perform more work and earn more money via quantity of output. Am I ripping customers off because I'm not charging them LESS for my top shelf experience?

Fsck that.
 

BikeJunkie

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Oct 21, 2013
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Pro tip: You can do almost anything you want to do if you're wearing a reflective safety vest, a hard hat, and a clip board. The A-Team taught me this, as well as what I see in real life. If anyone asks you questions, you say, "Hey, I'm just doing my job, take it up with my boss!" and then you continue doing whatever it is that you're doing.

Think I'm going to try this is the women's locker room at the gym :hmm:
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
Jun 13, 2000
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Far too many glasses frames have a wholesale cost less than $50 when retail is >$300. I've even seen glasses frames with retail prices of $200 or more wholesale priced at under $10.

Of course, the "high end" stuff, like sunglasses from Maui Jim and Oakleys, are only doubled their wholesale price, but the vast majority of the frames on the boards in the optomitrist's showroom have markups that would make a jeweler blush.

That's because there's one major company in Italy that bought up all of the glasses companies....they own Lenscrafters and a bunch of the ready in an hour shops too...it's a vertiacally integrated money making machine that crosses continents. If you can buy frames made in China, you're actually doing a good thing by promoting competition in a very bleak marketplace.
 

Scarpozzi

Lifer
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IT. We Google about 90% of the problems.
It's the same in medicine. Doctors will leave the exam room while they're running tests and use Google or medical search programs to find answers as well.

In IT, Google just happens to be a good engine that often searches knowledgebase articles and technical forums. On average, it pulls the same good or bad articles and provides somewhat of a mixed bag of results. I typically have to use quotes, -AND -OR tags to get rid of the junk that SEO gurus push to the top.
 

BikeJunkie

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It's the same in medicine. Doctors will leave the exam room while they're running tests and use Google or medical search programs to find answers as well.

In IT, Google just happens to be a good engine that often searches knowledgebase articles and technical forums. On average, it pulls the same good or bad articles and provides somewhat of a mixed bag of results. I typically have to use quotes, -AND -OR tags to get rid of the junk that SEO gurus push to the top.

I was trying to joke with one of my developers about a year ago when he got stuck on something difficult, thought he had it figured out, and then introduced a bug.

"Dude, did you use the one with the green checkbox next to it?"

"STACK EXCHANGE IS A TOTALLY LEGITIMATE RESOURCE!!!!1"

"Relax, I agree ... was just joking!"

Sheesh
 

fire400

Diamond Member
Nov 21, 2005
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back to the car dealer thing.

car dealer in-shop oil change;

get an oil change. drive around for a few weeks.

i'm very sure my oil filter was loose, i saw it leaking. later ran without oil. engine is wrecked. took it back said fix this sh!t. they said it's the oil pressure sensor. it's ten bucks for the part. they want 180. they said it'll fix everything. this sounds too good to be true. i play along.
the engine is wrecked even more. and i pay out of pocket for their crappy service.

they said the engine needs to be replaced. i know this is bullsh!t. i look at the service manager and he looks away. i ask to speak with upper division manager. no one, no one knows what to do or say. fools connect me with lateral manager from another dept. i'm like... this is stupid.

i can't escalate it. it's everyone there against me nearly. amazing. not gonna try anything funny 'cuz i don't plan on wasting time with bastards.

lesson learned. don't take the car to morons. there are signs, trust your gust.

there are places like this in america. don't think there aren't.

was gonna buy a new car. but i'm replacing the engine for 2600, custom job.
 

chimaxi83

Diamond Member
May 18, 2003
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back to the car dealer thing.

car dealer in-shop oil change;

get an oil change. drive around for a few weeks.

i'm very sure my oil filter was loose, i saw it leaking. later ran without oil. engine is wrecked. took it back said fix this sh!t. they said it's the oil pressure sensor. it's ten bucks for the part. they want 180. they said it'll fix everything. this sounds too good to be true. i play along.
the engine is wrecked even more. and i pay out of pocket for their crappy service.

they said the engine needs to be replaced. i know this is bullsh!t. i look at the service manager and he looks away. i ask to speak with upper division manager. no one, no one knows what to do or say. fools connect me with lateral manager from another dept. i'm like... this is stupid.

i can't escalate it. it's everyone there against me nearly. amazing. not gonna try anything funny 'cuz i don't plan on wasting time with bastards.

lesson learned. don't take the car to morons. there are signs, trust your gust.

there are places like this in america. don't think there aren't.

was gonna buy a new car. but i'm replacing the engine for 2600, custom job.

 

Mixolydian

Lifer
Nov 7, 2011
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You know those free shipping boxes and envelopes you can get for free from UPS? It says right on it they cannot be used for regular Ground shipments.

You can use them for regular Ground shipments. No one cares.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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back to the car dealer thing.

car dealer in-shop oil change;

get an oil change. drive around for a few weeks.

i'm very sure my oil filter was loose, i saw it leaking. later ran without oil. engine is wrecked. took it back said fix this sh!t. they said it's the oil pressure sensor. it's ten bucks for the part. they want 180. they said it'll fix everything. this sounds too good to be true. i play along.
the engine is wrecked even more. and i pay out of pocket for their crappy service.

they said the engine needs to be replaced. i know this is bullsh!t. i look at the service manager and he looks away. i ask to speak with upper division manager. no one, no one knows what to do or say. fools connect me with lateral manager from another dept. i'm like... this is stupid.

i can't escalate it. it's everyone there against me nearly. amazing. not gonna try anything funny 'cuz i don't plan on wasting time with bastards.

lesson learned. don't take the car to morons. there are signs, trust your gust.

there are places like this in america. don't think there aren't.

was gonna buy a new car. but i'm replacing the engine for 2600, custom job.

Why did you keep driving if you saw your oil filter leaking
You are a liar and a moron.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Never buy a bucket of KFC chicken at 3:30 in the afternoon. That shit has probably been sitting there since noon.
 

fire400

Diamond Member
Nov 21, 2005
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Why did you keep driving if you saw your oil filter leaking
You are a liar and a moron.

it was too late when i noticed it, all the oil had drained out completely, and i didn't keep driving it, i parked it right away, and i called them up.
seriously, they just fvcked me over. i talked to three different managers and three other personnel. the senior service manager just yelled at me. i'm like, ok, these guys are morons.

so mother fvcken shady! i hate those bastards.

fvck those b!tches!!!!
 
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