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Wuffsunie

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Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK
He did, they cruicified him for it. Today people discredit anything written becuase they didn't actualy see it with their own eyes. He would have to come down and stick around forever to accomplish what you are asking.
This is just one more example of where God needs a far better PR department. (Revelations, Judgement Day, and the whole end of the world scenerio is another one.)

This is an all powerful God who by the arguments of Christians is everywhere. Since he does not take much of an active role in things, and since we know humans are the only life in this vast universe, he must simply be watching us. A lot. Man, that is one lazy deity.

If he wanted to prove he's around, he could have sent something a little more durable than a mortal son. You even admit it, we killed the son. How about what Douglas Adams came up with in Life, The Universe and Everything? It's an appropiate message, too.

-- Jack

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.
-- Blaise Pascal
 

TMPadmin

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Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: XtremepH
I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible. There is a still a list of major problems with religion and I understand completely why most people don't believe in it or don't go to church. It is simply because everyone twistes and manipulate what they believe religion should be in there eyes and don't follow the bible directly then they force it upon other people to believe there crap. The truth of the matter is most people who go to church are hypocrits and most of the Pastors on TV and locally are just in it for the money.


I understand exactly where you come from, unfortunately for me this is one of the things that makes somewhat believe that perhaps God does't care about what goes on with humans. If you have millions and millions of people who are searching through various religions for the right way to serve God why does'nt God actually intervene and make it known what he expects of him in a way that others can't water it down or change it.

He did, they cruicified him for it. Today people discredit anything written becuase they didn't actualy see it with their own eyes. He would have to come down and stick around forever to accomplish what you are asking.

Are we so different from the apostles who needed to put their fingers through his wounds? Is He so different from someone standing up for what is right and dying doing so?

While I want so badly to believe he actually was the Son of God there is too much that can be explained. I do however believe that He makes us see in a way we only will believe. If He wants me to fully believe in Him He will present Himself to me in a way I can not argue. Someone else my say "bah!" to the same. You know what I'm trying to say.

 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Arkitech
I believe in God as well but I'm starting to slowly come to the conclusion that either (A) God simply does not care enough about mankind to intervene in his affairs or (B) perhaps a being that is truly immortal lacks the ability to empathize with creatures who have a finite lifespan. Neither conclusion is really appealing.
Regarding A, sometimes, for reasons that the child doesn't understand, a parent will knowingly allow the child to screw up because in the long run it's better for the child. I theorise that God is doing the same thing except in a game with much, much higher stakes.

I mean, if everything came about perfectly, we'd all just be a bunch of spoiled brats.

ZV
There's some logic there but there's also some serious issues as well. Would a parent allow his kid to get hit by a car just to teach the child the lesson that playing in the street is dangerous? I've heard that argument before that God is letting mankind make his mistakes before he steps in to clean things up. But unfortunately that argument does'nt address the influence of Satan and his demons, the fact that Adam and Eve had opportunities that no other humans have had. Obviously I don't know the answers but considering the fact that each and every human was given logic and intelligence to figure certain things out for themselves it really disturbs me that the answers I'm coming up with are'nt more reassuring.
Yes, but we're not talking about things on the same level. The stakes are much higher with God. If we die of have something go wrong here, look at the big picture. He is worried about our souls for all eternity, not just for this life on earth. We just have a hard time seeing beyond our material existance.

ZV
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I do too and I am fairly certain that without God life is an empty meaninglessness. At the samet ime that belief doesn't help me believe in God, so it's rather a predicament I'm in.

Why do you think that? You have a beautiful wife, a new home, and a baby on the way (albiet not yours but your gonna pay for them) what could be better?







 

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Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well it's like memory. If you lost your entire memory from present to the past and could only live in the future most of what you've experienced would have been meaningless. Other than changes you affected on the world anything you've done for yourself (like enjoyed a movie, gone on vacation, etc.) would have been pointless, since you can't reemember them. In the same way I see life withoug God as utterly meaningless. Yes atheists can enjoy life while they're living it but when they're gone that's it. And the university will continue on for billions more years without a care for htem. So, if they can't carry on in the afterlife or heaven or whatever it just seems so pointless.
Totally untrue. If this is all we get, if this is all we can possibly know, we must savor it. The point is that soon it'll be gone. You could live to be 100, you could get hit by a car on the street tomorrow. And then it would all be over. Religious types can reassure themselves by telling themselves that regardless of what happens to them here, they still have all of eternity to look forward to. Their lives can be totally pointless and unproductive, aside from their devoition to Jesus, and it's alright, because they have infinity in which to do other things. For those that don't get an afterlife, they're left picking and choosing how best to live out things with the hand they've been dealth before the axe falls, every single day of their finite life. Yes, we all must do things we don't like (job, etc) in order to survive, but fun and enjoyment should be had whenever possible.
But...didn't you basically just agree with me?

 

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I do too and I am fairly certain that without God life is an empty meaninglessness. At the samet ime that belief doesn't help me believe in God, so it's rather a predicament I'm in.

Why do you think that? You have a beautiful wife, a new home, and a baby on the way (albiet not yours but your gonna pay for them) what could be better?







Well who's gonna care when we die and our kids die and our grandkids die? It will have been just a blip in time, unless there is something more!

 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I do too and I am fairly certain that without God life is an empty meaninglessness. At the samet ime that belief doesn't help me believe in God, so it's rather a predicament I'm in.

Why do you think that? You have a beautiful wife, a new home, and a baby on the way (albiet not yours but your gonna pay for them) what could be better?







Well who's gonna care when we die and our kids die and our grandkids die? It will have been just a blip in time, unless there is something more!

your great grandkids and your friends and family. people care.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

Well the fact that they discovered Noah's arc in a mountain is just one reason.

lol
 

Wuffsunie

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Well it's like memory. If you lost your entire memory from present to the past and could only live in the future most of what you've experienced would have been meaningless. Other than changes you affected on the world anything you've done for yourself (like enjoyed a movie, gone on vacation, etc.) would have been pointless, since you can't reemember them. In the same way I see life withoug God as utterly meaningless. Yes atheists can enjoy life while they're living it but when they're gone that's it. And the university will continue on for billions more years without a care for htem. So, if they can't carry on in the afterlife or heaven or whatever it just seems so pointless.
Totally untrue. If this is all we get, if this is all we can possibly know, we must savor it. The point is that soon it'll be gone. You could live to be 100, you could get hit by a car on the street tomorrow. And then it would all be over. Religious types can reassure themselves by telling themselves that regardless of what happens to them here, they still have all of eternity to look forward to. Their lives can be totally pointless and unproductive, aside from their devoition to Jesus, and it's alright, because they have infinity in which to do other things. For those that don't get an afterlife, they're left picking and choosing how best to live out things with the hand they've been dealth before the axe falls, every single day of their finite life. Yes, we all must do things we don't like (job, etc) in order to survive, but fun and enjoyment should be had whenever possible.
But...didn't you basically just agree with me?

Hmmm.... perhaps I should have stated my final argument clearer. Well, I haven't had breakfast yet.

Your final argument, last sentence, was that if you can't go on beyond this life, your life is pointless. My argument is that my life isn't pointless, the point of it is to enjoy it as much as I can while I have it. I DON'T know what's coming next, and I refuse to risk literally everything on an unknown. So I make the point of my life life itself.
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

You forgot Santa Claus


Ausm
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
and whether or not it actually makes a difference if we believe in God or not. I've always believed that logic and clear thinking about a certain problem or situation could often lead to an answer or solution. But for some reason that method does'nt always work well with religion.

For example we know that parents who love their children will do anything to protect them from harm and try to raise them as responsible adults. But when you apply that example to God things start to fall apart. Since every human on Earth is considered a child of God, logically it should mean that we all have the best protection from harm that is possible. But of course thats not the case because people get raped, killed, mutilated and hurt every single minute of the day. And outside of a few questionable books (the quaran, bible, etc.) we have no direct instruction from God. In fact there is no conclusive proof or evidence that God has had a hand in human affairs.

Another thing that does'nt make sense when viewed in a logical manner is the concept of heaven, hell and inherited sin. Why would a God go through the process of producing a planet with infinite variations in life forms and other amazing creations only to use it as means to test people before they went to heaven or hell. Of course as a JW I was taught that everyone did'nt go to heaven and no-one went to a fiery hell. But there still is the issue of why would a intelligent God who supposedly has an infinite amount of love and compassion allow 2 people to screw up the lives of billions and billions of people. Was it to prove a point? Is it because God does'nt care?

I don't even watch the news anymore because I get tired of hearing about people dying everyday. And it does'nt help to be reminded constantly that my own life is so fragile that it would'nt take much for it to be brought to an end. Of course knowing that our lives are not guaranteed and could end at any given moment you would think every last person on Earth would be partying like its 1999. But instead most people like myself are stuck at jobs that they hate and forced to do things they dislike just to make ends meet and thats if you're lucky. On the flipside of the coin you have people in 3rd world countries who can't even get clean water and making it past puberty is a medical miracle.

I don't have a point to any of this, I'm just tired of the world I live in, but I also love living to much to ever even contemplate ending my life prematurely.
Just noticed you were raised as a Jehovah's witness.

Lots and lots of GUILT is built into raising their children.

And they believe 144,000 is a literal number - the only one from earth- who are going to rule in heaven (although Revelation's numbering is SYMBOLIC and it speaks of 12,000x12,000 divisons). Not to mention that 1914 - their pivital date - is getting shakier and shakier as that "generation passes ayay".

I have come to the conclusion that there are NO true Christians existing in any organized fashion.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

Well the fact that they discovered Noah's arc in a mountain is just one reason.

Considering there IS NO ark...that's a neat trick.

 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: XtremepH
I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible. There is a still a list of major problems with religion and I understand completely why most people don't believe in it or don't go to church. It is simply because everyone twistes and manipulate what they believe religion should be in there eyes and don't follow the bible directly then they force it upon other people to believe there crap. The truth of the matter is most people who go to church are hypocrits and most of the Pastors on TV and locally are just in it for the money.


I understand exactly where you come from, unfortunately for me this is one of the things that makes somewhat believe that perhaps God does't care about what goes on with humans. If you have millions and millions of people who are searching through various religions for the right way to serve God why does'nt God actually intervene and make it known what he expects of him in a way that others can't water it down or change it.



He did, they cruicified him for it. Today people discredit anything written becuase they didn't actualy see it with their own eyes. He would have to come down and stick around forever to accomplish what you are asking.

Are we so different from the apostles who needed to put their fingers through his wounds? Is He so different from someone standing up for what is right and dying doing so?

While I want so badly to believe he actually was the Son of God there is too much that can be explained. I do however believe that He makes us see in a way we only will believe. If He wants me to fully believe in Him He will present Himself to me in a way I can not argue. Someone else my say "bah!" to the same. You know what I'm trying to say.


Interesting angle, I never quite thought about it that way but it is very logical. When Jesus was on earth there were quite a few people who were convinced he was'nt who he said he was. This really should'nt have been a shocking thing especially considering the fact that there were false messiah's all over the place during that time. Even though Jesus did fulfill the prophecies it was only the minority who actually believed that he was really the son of God. When reflecting on that fact, its really not hard to see that its human nature for people to be distrustful. People have been lied to and misled so many times that its hard to have faith without first being overly skeptical. Same goes for today's population, people are more distrustful than ever and for good reason. If God is all powerful and all knowing then it seems like he would take the appropriate steps to help people restore their faith in him.

 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

Well the fact that they discovered Noah's arc in a mountain is just one reason.

Considering there IS NO ark...that's a neat trick.


no no! i read it, noah himself found and put a pair of all 1.5 million species of animals in a boat that he made and fed them and cleaned their poop and everything for 40 days and 40 nights. It happened! Believe me or else!
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Arkitech
and whether or not it actually makes a difference if we believe in God or not. I've always believed that logic and clear thinking about a certain problem or situation could often lead to an answer or solution. But for some reason that method does'nt always work well with religion.

For example we know that parents who love their children will do anything to protect them from harm and try to raise them as responsible adults. But when you apply that example to God things start to fall apart. Since every human on Earth is considered a child of God, logically it should mean that we all have the best protection from harm that is possible. But of course thats not the case because people get raped, killed, mutilated and hurt every single minute of the day. And outside of a few questionable books (the quaran, bible, etc.) we have no direct instruction from God. In fact there is no conclusive proof or evidence that God has had a hand in human affairs.

Another thing that does'nt make sense when viewed in a logical manner is the concept of heaven, hell and inherited sin. Why would a God go through the process of producing a planet with infinite variations in life forms and other amazing creations only to use it as means to test people before they went to heaven or hell. Of course as a JW I was taught that everyone did'nt go to heaven and no-one went to a fiery hell. But there still is the issue of why would a intelligent God who supposedly has an infinite amount of love and compassion allow 2 people to screw up the lives of billions and billions of people. Was it to prove a point? Is it because God does'nt care?

I don't even watch the news anymore because I get tired of hearing about people dying everyday. And it does'nt help to be reminded constantly that my own life is so fragile that it would'nt take much for it to be brought to an end. Of course knowing that our lives are not guaranteed and could end at any given moment you would think every last person on Earth would be partying like its 1999. But instead most people like myself are stuck at jobs that they hate and forced to do things they dislike just to make ends meet and thats if you're lucky. On the flipside of the coin you have people in 3rd world countries who can't even get clean water and making it past puberty is a medical miracle.

I don't have a point to any of this, I'm just tired of the world I live in, but I also love living to much to ever even contemplate ending my life prematurely.
Just noticed you were raised as a Jehovah's witness.

Lots and lots of GUILT is built into raising their children.

And they believe 144,000 is a literal number - the only one from earth- who are going to rule in heaven (although Revelation's numbering is SYMBOLIC and it speaks of 12,000x12,000 divisons). Not to mention that 1914 - their pivital date - is getting shakier and shakier as that "generation passes ayay".

I have come to the conclusion that there are NO true Christians existing in any organized fashion.

sounds like you know a lot about witnesses, were you one as well?

 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

Well the fact that they discovered Noah's arc in a mountain is just one reason.

Do you have any links on this? I've heard something about that before but I never got a chance to look closer into it.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: TMPadmin
Originally posted by: MegaloManiaK
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: XtremepH
I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible. There is a still a list of major problems with religion and I understand completely why most people don't believe in it or don't go to church. It is simply because everyone twistes and manipulate what they believe religion should be in there eyes and don't follow the bible directly then they force it upon other people to believe there crap. The truth of the matter is most people who go to church are hypocrits and most of the Pastors on TV and locally are just in it for the money.


I understand exactly where you come from, unfortunately for me this is one of the things that makes somewhat believe that perhaps God does't care about what goes on with humans. If you have millions and millions of people who are searching through various religions for the right way to serve God why does'nt God actually intervene and make it known what he expects of him in a way that others can't water it down or change it.



He did, they cruicified him for it. Today people discredit anything written becuase they didn't actualy see it with their own eyes. He would have to come down and stick around forever to accomplish what you are asking.

Are we so different from the apostles who needed to put their fingers through his wounds? Is He so different from someone standing up for what is right and dying doing so?

While I want so badly to believe he actually was the Son of God there is too much that can be explained. I do however believe that He makes us see in a way we only will believe. If He wants me to fully believe in Him He will present Himself to me in a way I can not argue. Someone else my say "bah!" to the same. You know what I'm trying to say.


Interesting angle, I never quite thought about it that way but it is very logical. When Jesus was on earth there were quite a few people who were convinced he was'nt who he said he was. This really should'nt have been a shocking thing especially considering the fact that there were false messiah's all over the place during that time. Even though Jesus did fulfill the prophecies it was only the minority who actually believed that he was really the son of God. When reflecting on that fact, its really not hard to see that its human nature for people to be distrustful. People have been lied to and misled so many times that its hard to have faith without first being overly skeptical. Same goes for today's population, people are more distrustful than ever and for good reason. If God is all powerful and all knowing then it seems like he would take the appropriate steps to help people restore their faith in him.
It is a little disturbing - especially since most christian religions are convinced this is the "time of the end" - that god and faith is harder and to find . . . you'd think there's be more "proof" available . . .

the last miracles were 2000 years ago.

True, the Bible says "faith is not a possession of all people"; but it TAKES FAITH TO HAVE FAITH. Us skeptical ones - ones that QUESTION - are outta luck . . . or not as it may likely turn out.

Also, look at Jesus' prophecies . . . fulfilled prophecy is the ONLY thing that MIGHT move one reasonably to faith . . . they are ambigious and have been applied to every age.
 

Luagsch

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Just noticed you were raised as a Jehovah's witness.

Lots and lots of GUILT is built into raising their children.
tell me about it...
i'm still not completly over it... which sux a$$ cause i think of myself being atheist... damn subconscious. :frown:
 

XtremepH

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: XtremepH
I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.
That's nice for you, but unfortunately it is logically impossible to prove the non-existance of something. Science cannot ever completely disprove the Bible. Anyone who claims that science can is seriously deluded and lacks even a basic understanding of science. We can no more prove the non-existance of God than we can prove the non-existance of the invisible pink unicorn.

I want to be clear that I'm not suggesting that you should not believe, I'm just pointing out that the reasoning you list isn't going to be able to sway others. Of course, I have strong doubts that anyone who does not find Him of their own efforts can truly have a strong faith.

ZV

I don't want to sway anyone to believe in God it is there choice not mines just tellin you my beliefs I am not the type of person that's going to cry if you reject God. That is why in the Bible gave man the ability to reason and choose what they believe is right. He leaves the decisions up to us. I also have other reasons of why I believe in God many things that has happen throughout my life. You can say its my testimony.
 

XtremepH

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

Well the fact that they discovered Noah's arc in a mountain is just one reason.

Considering there IS NO ark...that's a neat trick.


no no! i read it, noah himself found and put a pair of all 1.5 million species of animals in a boat that he made and fed them and cleaned their poop and everything for 40 days and 40 nights. It happened! Believe me or else!

LOL you guys are hilarious. The Plain truth is that as humans it is hard to believe something unless you see it come true right in front of your eyes. And with that said I don't blame anyone who doesn't believe in God.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Luagsch
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Just noticed you were raised as a Jehovah's witness.

Lots and lots of GUILT is built into raising their children.
tell me about it...
i'm still not completly over it... which sux a$$ cause i think of myself being atheist... damn subconscious. :frown:
You gotta make up your mind one way or the other.

Just send them a letter asking that you be dropped from their "member list".

JW's think of themselves as the only true religion (the only ones "preaching the 'good news' " earthwide)- like god's only means of survival as was Noah's ark. Unfortunately, they are showing themselves no different than any other cult since they can't get their dates or prophecies right and their support for their "widows and orphans" sucks.


EDIT: "Personal Testimony" is going to help no one but the person feeling it. And "drugs" can give one the same feeling.



 

MegaloManiaK

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Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: XtremepH
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: XtremepH

I myself believe in God and the bible. The reason being is that scientists have yet to disprove the Bible.

I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy. The reason being that scientists have yet to disprove either.

Sorry, I'm just being a bitch.

Well the fact that they discovered Noah's arc in a mountain is just one reason.

Considering there IS NO ark...that's a neat trick.


no no! i read it, noah himself found and put a pair of all 1.5 million species of animals in a boat that he made and fed them and cleaned their poop and everything for 40 days and 40 nights. It happened! Believe me or else!

LOL you guys are hilarious. The Plain truth is that as humans it is hard to believe something unless you see it come true right in front of your eyes. And with that said I don't blame anyone who doesn't believe in God.


It can be said of both sides that people believe what they want to believe. Im sure if you really thought about it there are lots of things you belive that you have not had an once of proof about, i know i can say the same.
 

Luagsch

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Luagsch
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Just noticed you were raised as a Jehovah's witness.

Lots and lots of GUILT is built into raising their children.
tell me about it...
i'm still not completly over it... which sux a$$ cause i think of myself being atheist... damn subconscious. :frown:
You gotta make up your mind one way or the other.

Just send them a letter asking that you be dropped from their "member list".

JW's think of themselves as the only true religion (the only ones "preaching the 'good news' " earthwide)- like god's only means of survival as was Noah's ark. Unfortunately, they are showing themselves no different than any other cult since they can't get their dates or prophecies right and their support for their "widows and orphans" sucks.


EDIT: "Personal Testimony" is going to help no one but the person feeling it. And "drugs" can give one the same feeling.
well i'm outta there since 6 years but sometimes just seeing my parents lets the old guilt feelings come up again. time to get over it i guess
 
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