I would just like to say that Benjamin Netanyahu, the former PM of Israel, is insane.

[Random Variable]

He (and people like him) created the atmosphere that led to former PM Yitzhak Rabin's assassination in 1995, and now he tells the world that there should not be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. He makes PM Sharon look like a pacifist. What's wrong with him? Does he want Israel to be at war with its neighbors for eternity?

 

[Tripleshot]

>>>Does he want Israel to be at war with its neighbors for eternity? <<<

No, just until all the thoughts of terrorism have left their brains. I like the guy. He calls a spade a spade. You don't have to guess what he is really thinking.

And BTW, he is for peace. He just realizes the PLO is not.:disgust:

 

[Lucky]

He's an idiotic bastard. :|

 

[gunf1ghter]

Exactly... most folks over there seem to consider Netenyahu much more of a pacifist than Sharon (based on interviews etc).

 

[johneetrash]

I would just like to say that Benjamin Netanyahu, the former PM of Israel, is insane.

not to mention how insanely fun it is to say his name outloud.

 

[BlueApple]

Originally posted by: gunf1ghter
Exactly... most folks over there seem to consider Netenyahu much more of a pacifist than Sharon (based on interviews etc).

Not just over there, most people here(including myself) view Sharon more hawkish on his views towards Palestine.

THE VOTE marked a significant victory for former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who advocated a more hawkish approach to the Palestinians and has designs on recapturing the leadership of the party.

MSNBC article

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, I haven't seen any quotes in context, but if he is truly saying no Palestinian state, that won't be viewed by the Palestinians as a peace gesture.

 

[Martin]

not the only one I'd say.

After all, poeple voted for this idea.

 

[dafatha00]

How dumb. What a way to achieve peace.

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
>>>Does he want Israel to be at war with its neighbors for eternity? <<<

No, just until all the thoughts of terrorism have left their brains. I like the guy. He calls a spade a spade. You don't have to guess what he is really thinking.

And BTW, he is for peace. He just realizes the PLO is not.:disgust:

He just plays to the right wing. They say that the arabs dont want israel to exist (correct) and that they dont want a peace/ will work to destroy israel even if there is one (no evidence either way and is unlikely) so the right wing either want to keep what they have or expand it esp in the wb and gaza.

He is trying to get their support, if he got to gov he would have to balance that against a more moderate colallition.

At the end of the day the only solution is peace he is a professional and probably knows that, but doesnt see that its necessary at the moment.

 

[ThePresence]

You guys have no clue what you're talking about (besides Tripleshot). You know, I hate it when clueless people mouth off after just hearing a few things about the guy. I lived in Israel while he was Prime Minister, he was extremely popular among all groups of people besides for the hardcore leftwingers who wont support anyone untill there is an Arab PM. The guy is the ultimate Israeli leader, someone who has an understanding of the situation and is willing to deal with it. While Sharon also has an understanding, he has succumbed to the same disease as every general turned politician. Him and Barak both tried to become politicians and out-politicianed themselves. The only difference is that Sharon was a politician for many years already. Netanyahu on the other hand, although he was a very decorated soldier, politics has always been his career. He knows the game and is willing to face it. Flame away boys.

 

[alrocky]

Is Vespasian nuts? Arafat and the PA are corrupt, incompetent and have created the atmosphere that promotes suicide bombings, the deliberate targeting of civilians et al. You cannot blame Rabin's death on BN. Does Vespy as well as the Palestinians have a clue that they cannot win a win against Isreal. Are they soo stupid to think they can defeat an adversary that vanquished multiple nations's military?

You're wrong; BN is not insane.

 

[Jimbo]

What ThePresence just said!

 

[DigDug]

He's part of the Likud. What do you expect - any objectivity?

well as the Palestinians have a clue that they cannot win a win against Isreal. Are they soo stupid to think they can defeat an adversary that vanquished multiple nations's military?

Does Netanyahu have a clue that he can't stop suicide bombing? That his nation will continue to be racked by random explosions till eternity? Your idea of victory sure ain't mine.

 

[Amused]

Anyone here who thinks the creation of a Palestinian state will bring any kind of peace is either ignorant of history, or seriously deluded.

No matter what Isreal does, the Arabs will not let them live in peace. The Arabs will never give up until Israel is driven into the sea. If anyone makes claims to the contrary to you, they are either ignorant, or lying.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BlipBlop
He's part of the Likud. What do you expect - any objectivity?

well as the Palestinians have a clue that they cannot win a win against Isreal. Are they soo stupid to think they can defeat an adversary that vanquished multiple nations's military?

Does Netanyahu have a clue that he can't stop suicide bombing? That his nation will continue to be racked by random explosions till eternity? Your idea of victory sure ain't mine.

There is a way to stop them. Push out all non-loyal, non-Israeli Arabs and close the boarders permanently. It sounds harsh, but in the real world, this is the only way it's going to happen.

Israel has no one but themselves to blame for today's situation. They should have done the above in 1948, and no later than 1967. By pussy-footing around, bring up half-assed after half-assed solution and never doing anything decisive, they have screwed themselves.

The same goes for the Arabs, they've made the bed they live in today.

 

[Vernor]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
He (and people like him) created the atmosphere that led to former PM Yitzhak Rabin's assassination in 1995, and now he tells the world that there should not be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. He makes PM Sharon look like a pacifist. What's wrong with him? Does he want Israel to be at war with its neighbors for eternity?

He opposes a Palestinian state that will be just another terrorist state in the Lybian/Syrian model.


Insane is anyone who thought Arafat was a man of peace.

 

[jjones]

Netanyahu is correct and this issue should have been resolved after the 1967 Six Day war. Why the Israelis let it fester is beyond comprehension.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: alrocky
Is <STRONG>Vespasian</STRONG> nuts? Arafat and the PA are corrupt, incompetent and have created the atmosphere that promotes suicide bombings, the deliberate targeting of civilians et al. You cannot blame Rabin's death on BN. Does Vespy as well as the Palestinians have a clue that they cannot win a win against Isreal. Are they soo stupid to think they can defeat an adversary that vanquished multiple nations's military?

You're wrong; BN is not insane.

First of all, talk to me directly. Secondly, I have never in my life said anything nice about the Palestinian Authority. Thirdly, I can too blame Rabin's assassination on people like Netanyahu who, in essence, rejected the Oslo Accords. (After all, when Netanyahu was PM the number of settlements skyrocketed). And fourthly, I don't know what your last point has to do with this thread.

And if Israel really wanted to solve the problem, they would go to war with Iran and Syria. Reducing the Palestinian-controlled areas of West Bank to rubble is not going to solve anything.

And no one seems to recognize that because of the settlements Israel has indefensible borders. That's why suicide bombers can infilitrate so easily.

 

[alrocky]

Ascribing BN responsible for creating "an atmosphere that led to...Rabin's assassination" is about at meaningful as: 1) blaming A. Lincoln's run for the White House for 'creating an atmosphere' that lead to his own assassination or ; 2) blaming the creation of Isreal for 'creating an atmosphere' that leads to suicide bombers. Perhaps you can connect the dots from BN's "atmosphere" Y. Amir.

Fighting Iran and Syria? Doesn't this strike you as a bit extreme if not insane for the Pandora's Box it'd open? Why the talk of West Bank rubble? Wouldn't expelling the Palestinians be a better solution? Are most of the attacks in the settlements or in Isreali proper? Don't many think the '67 borders are indefensible?

 

[ThePresence]

And no one seems to recognize that because of the settlements Israel has indefensible borders. That's why suicide bombers can infilitrate so easily.

Vespasian, you know better than that. If they gave away the settelments, THATS when they'd have indefensible borders. If they went back to the '67 borders (hypothetically), Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptians tanks would have to fight for SIX MILES to cut the country in half. How hard is it to that?! I highly doubt you will EVER see them going back to '67.

 

[gunf1ghter]

True DAT.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

And no one seems to recognize that because of the settlements Israel has indefensible borders. That's why suicide bombers can infilitrate so easily.

Vespasian, you know better than that. If they gave away the settelments, THATS when they'd have indefensible borders. If they went back to the '67 borders (hypothetically), Syrian, Jordanian and Egyptians tanks would have to fight for SIX MILES to cut the country in half. How hard is it to that?! I highly doubt you will EVER see them going back to '67.

Judging from previous conflicts, it'd be VERY HARD, and that's not taking into account the fact that Israel's military is light years ahead of their neighbours'.

 

[IGBT]

What do you think of Arafat??

 

[incallisto]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
You guys have no clue what you're talking about (besides Tripleshot). You know, I hate it when clueless people mouth off after just hearing a few things about the guy. I lived in Israel while he was Prime Minister, he was extremely popular among all groups of people besides for the hardcore leftwingers who wont support anyone untill there is an Arab PM. The guy is the ultimate Israeli leader, someone who has an understanding of the situation and is willing to deal with it. While Sharon also has an understanding, he has succumbed to the same disease as every general turned politician. Him and Barak both tried to become politicians and out-politicianed themselves. The only difference is that Sharon was a politician for many years already. Netanyahu on the other hand, although he was a very decorated soldier, politics has always been his career. He knows the game and is willing to face it. Flame away boys.

I agree.