i7-4790K v.s. i7-5820K

[Makaveli]

That's exactly what everyone says about anything beyond 1600 on ddr3 lol...
(and they are right)

Yup cause most software isn't bottlenecked by ram speed.

 

[cbn]

Assuming the LGA 2011-3 Xeons significantly drop in price over the next four to five years, I wonder how much one of those processors fully turbo'd on all cores (via Asrock MCE or ASUS 5 way optimization) would stress memory bandwidth for a task like video editing?

P.S. The top Haswell LGA 2011-3 Xeon SKU ( E5-2699 v3) has 18 cores and the turbo frequency is 3.6 Ghz.

 

[cbn]

Regarding the topic of buying the best of the last generation (on sale) vs. buying low end next generation, I am not sure this really applies to the discussion of Z97 vs. X99 (re: they are both current generation).

Maybe a better comparison would be Z97 vs. low end mainstream Skylake platform?

P.S. I remember back when Newegg was closing out LGA 1155 seeing motherboard deals (Z77, etc) that included 8GB of RAM --> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321421&highlight=free+ram+newegg. That was just awesome. And definitely for a lot of people buying a Z77 at that time would have turned out better than buying H81.

 

[ShedEnd]

Why are so many still arguing the X99 is a lot more expensive than Z97? Unless you want basic features, a high-end Z97 motherboard is about equal to one of the lower-mid end X99 motherboards, bar a few exceptions like the Maximus Formula - anyone paying £300+ for that clearly hasn't got a clue what they're doing.

Take a look at the Asus X99-S and compare it to a universally acclaimed Z97 motherboard like the Asus Z97 Sabertooth Mk1. Price wise they're about the same, yet the X99 board boasts better connectivity (M.2 Socket, more (native) SATA ports, more USB 3.0 ports), more internal features and better memory architecture.

The difference between high end DDR3 and similar DDR4 is minimal right now from anything over 2133MHz.

The main difference lies in processor, and unless you need an eight-core for major video editing/rendering tasks, the 5820K costs a very small premium over a high end Z97 4790k, and the only factor in Z97's favour is the 4790k's stock clock. That's it.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Why are so many still arguing the X99 is a lot more expensive than Z97? Unless you want basic features, a high-end Z97 motherboard is about equal to one of the lower-mid end X99 motherboards, bar a few exceptions like the Maximus Formula - anyone paying £300+ for that clearly hasn't got a clue what they're doing.

Take a look at the Asus X99-S and compare it to a universally acclaimed Z97 motherboard like the Asus Z97 Sabertooth Mk1. Price wise they're about the same, yet the X99 board boasts better connectivity (M.2 Socket, more (native) SATA ports, more USB 3.0 ports), more internal features and better memory architecture.

The difference between high end DDR3 and similar DDR4 is minimal right now from anything over 2133MHz.

The main difference lies in processor, and unless you need an eight-core for major video editing/rendering tasks, the 5820K costs a very small premium over a high end Z97 4790k, and the only factor in Z97's favour is the 4790k's stock clock. That's it.

Exactly, if you are gonna spend $200+ on a mobo alone you should be looking at X99 not Z97. The 4790K only make sense for people like me who spends <$100 on the mobo.

BTW it's especially hilarious when you see idiots spend so much on mobo and cooling to OC a 4C/4T Haswell for only a few hundred more MHz just because the 2500K was a good deal 4 years ago.

 

[Ramses]

Features alone do not a motherboard make.
Quickie example. http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-list

Absolutely the above is essentially irrelevant for most users, but not all by a long shot.
Beware blanket statements.

 

[crashtech]

Features alone do not a motherboard make.
Quickie example. http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-list

Absolutely the above is essentially irrelevant for most users, but not all by a long shot.
Beware blanket statements.

Honestly I am disturbed by forum posters like StrangerGuy who classify anyone who doesn't make exactly the same decisions as him as idiots. I have had a lot of fun with my Z97X-UD5H-BK. I got a pretty decent deal on it as a used combo. On a cold night it let the 4790K hit 5.0 GHz stable. Not exactly a 24/7 setting, but still worth every penny, imo.

 

[Ramses]

Yeah it's disheartening to say the least. Man's entitled to his opinion though.

 

[CP5670]

I got my Z97 board for $53 with a Microcenter deal. Updated versions of it are normally about $120. It has SLI, M.2, plenty of USB and SATA ports and 8 phase power (and PCI, which X99 lacks altogether). X99 never goes anywhere near that low in price, and the more expensive Z97 boards just add niche features that most people won't use.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Honestly I am disturbed by forum posters like StrangerGuy who classify anyone who doesn't make exactly the same decisions as him as idiots. I have had a lot of fun with my Z97X-UD5H-BK. I got a pretty decent deal on it as a used combo. On a cold night it let the 4790K hit 5.0 GHz stable. Not exactly a 24/7 setting, but still worth every penny, imo.

Oh sure man, let's move goalposts with used boards so you can take my comment entirely out of context when I was obviously talking about brand new prices. Even you yourself said 5GHz wasn't a 24/7 setting, *hardly* a noteworthy feat.

 

[tenks]

The ram in the build Im looking to put together just dropped to $399.99. Thats 32gigs of ddr4-2666 @ cas15. It started off at $550 a few months back. DDR4 kits, at least the larger ones, are dropping in price fast!

My build is now around $1900ish - 5820k, msi black, 32gig ram, 500gb 850 evo + 3tb wd black, $400 video card etc.

Im pretty stoked Im well under $2k now for my planned x99 build. Im hoping for $1750 in a month or two~

 

[cbn]

The ram in the build Im looking to put together just dropped to $399.99. Thats 32gigs of ddr4-2666 @ cas15. It started off at $550 a few months back. DDR4 kits, at least the larger ones, are dropping in price fast!

My build is now around $1900ish - 5820k, msi black, 32gig ram, 500gb 850 evo + 3tb wd black, $400 video card etc.

Im pretty stoked Im well under $2k now for my planned x99 build. Im hoping for $1750 in a month or two~

32GB of DDR4 2666? Can I ask what usage requires that extra bandwidth for such a large increase in price over DDR4 2133 (or even DDR4 2400)?

 

[crashtech]

Oh sure man, let's move goalposts with used boards so you can take my comment entirely out of context when I was obviously talking about brand new prices. Even you yourself said 5GHz wasn't a 24/7 setting, *hardly* a noteworthy feat.

Hey, you are the one calling people idiots, not me. I take exception to that, it's just a motherboard. If someone decided to pay some extra to get the look they want, the power phases they want, the on-board power buttons they want, the NIC they want, that shouldn't be for you to disparage unchallenged.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Hey, you are the one calling people idiots, not me. I take exception to that, it's just a motherboard. If someone decided to pay some extra to get the look they want, the power phases they want, the on-board power buttons they want, the NIC they want, that shouldn't be for you to disparage unchallenged.

What I'm was saying is people want to spend ~$300+ on mobo and cooling to overclock a 4690K instead of getting a cheapo X99 + 5820K then they are idiots.

Oh, I'm sorry...Wait I'm not. You want to waste your money against better judgement? Fine with me.

 

[Ramses]

Amigo, that makes about as much sense as telling someone they are an idiot for buying a blue car instead of a gray one.

It takes a lot bigger man to be able to offer honest and well meaning advice and be at peace when it isn't heeded than it does to call someone a dummy when they don't fall into line with what you think is best. And if you don't understand that, you just don't. And I'm pretty ok with that.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I voted 5820 only because it would be a tough pill to swallow going from a 3930k -> 4790k. There would have to be pretty major IPC increases to justify moving from 6 cores to 4.

 

[schmuckley]

I tell you what..I'm on x99 right now..
http://valid.x86.fr/89q0ak
..just hoping my z97 board is dry..and still works
because I like it better.

 

[BigDaveX]

Has anyone tried running a 5820K (or any other HW-E chip) in dual-channel mode? Quad-channel DDR4 kits are still on the expensive side, but individual DIMMs are now starting to filter out into the marketplace, so starting out with just two of them might be a handy way of keeping costs down if it doesn't hurt performance too badly.

 

[schmuckley]

I'm running dual-channel right now..board has bad RAM slot.

 

[tenks]

32GB of DDR4 2666? Can I ask what usage requires that extra bandwidth for such a large increase in price over DDR4 2133 (or even DDR4 2400)?

I wrote a really long reply and then I curiously checked prices and realized it was all kinda moot. There is an average of a $50-$60 difference between ddr4-2133 and ddr4-2666 for 32gb kits. That is not a large increase. Like I said this kit used to be $550...its now $399. Also DDR4-2133 is a terrible investment as its slower then DDR3-2133 and cost more money. If I'm going to pay a premium for DDR4, wouldn't it make sense to get something for that premium? Anandtech did a great DDR4 scaling article and it showed that 2133 was 5-10% slower then the rest in the benchmarks that matter to me. They concluded your bare minimum aim should be 2400 @ cas15 and anything over 2800 is a waste of money for the gains you get. 2666 kits sit between those two and have best price/performance and hit 2800 easily.

To answer your question, I shoot and edit video for a living. Need a new system to handle my 4k workflow. Faster ram helps encoding/decoding, compression/converting formats, rendering etc. etc. Why invest into a new platform, one I plan to have around 4-5 years, and get one of the slower speeds of ram? Doesn't seem logical to me.

 

[schmuckley]

I wrote a really long reply and then I curiously checked prices and realized it was all kinda moot. There is an average of a $50-$60 difference between ddr4-2133 and ddr4-2666 for 32gb kits. That is not a large increase. Like I said this kit used to be $550...its now $399. Also DDR4-2133 is a terrible investment as its slower then DDR3-2133 and cost more money. If I'm going to pay a premium for DDR4, wouldn't it make sense to get something for that premium? Anandtech did a great DDR4 scaling article and it showed that 2133 was 5-10% slower then the rest in the benchmarks that matter to me. They concluded your bare minimum aim should be 2400 @ cas15 and anything over 2800 is a waste of money for the gains you get. 2666 kits sit between those two and have best price/performance and hit 2800 easily.

To answer your question, I shoot and edit video for a living. Need a new system to handle my 4k workflow. Faster ram helps encoding/decoding, compression/converting formats, rendering etc. etc. Why invest into a new platform, one I plan to have around 4-5 years, and get one of the slower speeds of ram? Doesn't seem logical to me.

It's mostly Hynix crap out there..
There's a few Micron and Samsung, though.
The sticks I have won't budge past 2800..any of them.

 

[tenks]

It's mostly Hynix crap out there..
There's a few Micron and Samsung, though.
The sticks I have won't budge past 2800..any of them.

ahh good to know. the g.skill kits I was looking at have pretty good reviews and seem to hit 2800 easily.

Why is your CPU running @ 1.2ghz ? because of the bad ram slot/dual channel mode?

 

[Arachnotronic]

What I'm was saying is people want to spend ~$300+ on mobo and cooling to overclock a 4690K instead of getting a cheapo X99 + 5820K then they are idiots.

Oh, I'm sorry...Wait I'm not. You want to waste your money against better judgement? Fine with me.

I get your point, but surely you would agree that there are other benefits to buying a higher-end board than a lower end board for Z97 aside from potential overclocking benefits?

 

[Eurydice]

If you like bells and whistles, little conveniences and useless functions, then yes.

 

[aigomorla]

too many variables!!!

are we overlocking?
are we scaling gpus?
are we only gaming on the machine?

You cant say one is better then the other without knowing purpose of the machine.
So there is just too many variables.

What I'm was saying is people want to spend ~$300+ on mobo and cooling to overclock a 4690K instead of getting a cheapo X99 + 5820K then they are idiots.

Oh, I'm sorry...Wait I'm not. You want to waste your money against better judgement? Fine with me.

again... what if its a gaming machine?
You want Clock speed > core count after 4cores.
So your telling the gamer, who doesn't need the extra cores + require the extra PCI-E lane since he will probably use a single fastest GPU he can afford on budget, that he is an idiot?

:\

A Crap X99 board on a 5820K will cap at what? 3.9? 4.1? potentially? vs a 4690K will cap at what? 4.6~4.8 with upgraded cooling and a high ranked oc board..
mmm...... ok.. i guess they are idiots... (sarcasm)

Again without knowing the purpose of said machine, its a very difficult question.