i7 not selling very well!!

[zerogear]

Originally posted by: GundamF91
The fact is that economy is bad, and having fast computer is discretionary. For most people, they just want to surf the net and use MS Office. Even AMD XP and Intel P4 were more than enough for that.

And the fact that I don't think most consumers care about 15 min video encoding shrinked down to 7 minutes. I encode video too, but honestly, I just queue it up for the night and let it churn it through, that extra 8 minute is not going to make me spend another 900$ to upgrade my Quad.

Performance-wise, it is quite awesome, but the performance gains (real-life) is little to nothing.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: zerogear

Originally posted by: GundamF91
The fact is that economy is bad, and having fast computer is discretionary. For most people, they just want to surf the net and use MS Office. Even AMD XP and Intel P4 were more than enough for that.

And the fact that I don't think most consumers care about 15 min video encoding shrinked down to 7 minutes. I encode video too, but honestly, I just queue it up for the night and let it churn it through, that extra 8 minute is not going to make me spend another 900$ to upgrade my Quad.

Performance-wise, it is quite awesome, but the performance gains (real-life) is little to nothing.

I hit that limit as well. Even for stuff that takes hours, just let it run overnight. Provided it is done before I get back to the computer the next day I don't care whether it finished at 1AM or 7AM. I'm not buying a faster CPU until doing so is reasonably assured to improve my quality of life in some fashion. I foresee my next computer dollars going to SSD long before CPU or ram.

 

[dmens]

i just re-encoded a blu-ray movie on a 4ghz i7 on some ridiculous x264 quality setting and it took 9 hours instead of a day on a 4ghz i7. i guess if i had a lesser machine i'd simply turn down the quality setting but then i'd feel guilty about buying a large TV and a ps3.

i7 is especially kickass for me because it was free.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: dmens
i just re-encoded a blu-ray movie on a 4ghz i7 on some ridiculous x264 quality setting and it took 9 hours instead of a day on a 4ghz i7. i guess if i had a lesser machine i'd simply turn down the quality setting but then i'd feel guilty about buying a large TV and a ps3.

i7 is especially kickass for me because it was free.

:thumbsup: I like those price/performance ratios!

But we knows you lie, i7 was hardly free for you, it took some 4yrs of your life and in exchange all you got was a paycheck for a few years and what will someday be viewed as a lousy processor. :laugh:

Yeah if I was HDTV I would like/use the encoding performance as you mention, but I'm still in the dark ages when it comes to my TV resolution and screensize.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

Amm for people who are saying that i7 was never meant to be mainstream pls have a look at the intel's road map..

i7 920 was suppose to come under MS3 bracket of mainstream that's why its cheaper as compared to 965, etc. But the X series motherboards are they real kickers and along with that the DDR3 off course. This time around intel really did put a spin on the whole socket thing. Dont get me wrong i would be happy that the next gen processer will use a different socket that my current gen but when the mainstream "i5" and performance processors "i7" use different sockets all together upgrade from i5 to i7 useing the same internals seems an impossible task.

What is next, maybe intel will release a i9 processor with a LGA 1550 socket to go along and a x68 series MB off course making you sell off your all ready bought extrema i7 setup just because you want to be ontop.

 

[OCGuy]

News Flash: Sales in the tech industry are waaaay down.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: zerogear

Originally posted by: GundamF91
The fact is that economy is bad, and having fast computer is discretionary. For most people, they just want to surf the net and use MS Office. Even AMD XP and Intel P4 were more than enough for that.

And the fact that I don't think most consumers care about 15 min video encoding shrinked down to 7 minutes. I encode video too, but honestly, I just queue it up for the night and let it churn it through, that extra 8 minute is not going to make me spend another 900$ to upgrade my Quad.

Performance-wise, it is quite awesome, but the performance gains (real-life) is little to nothing.

I hit that limit as well. Even for stuff that takes hours, just let it run overnight. Provided it is done before I get back to the computer the next day I don't care whether it finished at 1AM or 7AM. I'm not buying a faster CPU until doing so is reasonably assured to improve my quality of life in some fashion. I foresee my next computer dollars going to SSD long before CPU or ram.

I am not sure I agree 100%; I would much rather spend $400-500 on a CPU/MB combo for an i7 build and know that I have a great foundation for a computer in the long run (a couple years). Buying a $400-500 worth of SSD's will be a waste as in 6 months they will be worth less than half that with likely significantly faster and bigger drives available. Many people said the same thing about those who picked up the QX9650 when it came out almost a year and a half ago...it is STILL an amazing processor and was worth it for many people.

If the price of SSD's doesn't bother someone, then I really doubt the fact they spent an extra $100 on a MB and an extra $50-75 on RAM is going to really bother them. With that said, I don't know if a i7 make sense for someone with a good quad setup, but if you are looking to move up from an older machine, it makes a lot of sense.

 

[zerogear]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: zerogear

Originally posted by: GundamF91
The fact is that economy is bad, and having fast computer is discretionary. For most people, they just want to surf the net and use MS Office. Even AMD XP and Intel P4 were more than enough for that.

And the fact that I don't think most consumers care about 15 min video encoding shrinked down to 7 minutes. I encode video too, but honestly, I just queue it up for the night and let it churn it through, that extra 8 minute is not going to make me spend another 900$ to upgrade my Quad.

Performance-wise, it is quite awesome, but the performance gains (real-life) is little to nothing.

I hit that limit as well. Even for stuff that takes hours, just let it run overnight. Provided it is done before I get back to the computer the next day I don't care whether it finished at 1AM or 7AM. I'm not buying a faster CPU until doing so is reasonably assured to improve my quality of life in some fashion. I foresee my next computer dollars going to SSD long before CPU or ram.

I am not sure I agree 100%; I would much rather spend $400-500 on a CPU/MB combo for an i7 build and know that I have a great foundation for a computer in the long run (a couple years). Buying a $400-500 worth of SSD's will be a waste as in 6 months they will be worth less than half that with likely significantly faster and bigger drives available. Many people said the same thing about those who picked up the QX9650 when it came out almost a year and a half ago...it is STILL an amazing processor and was worth it for many people.

If the price of SSD's doesn't bother someone, then I really doubt the fact they spent an extra $100 on a MB and an extra $50-75 on RAM is going to really bother them. With that said, I don't know if a i7 make sense for someone with a good quad setup, but if you are looking to move up from an older machine, it makes a lot of sense.

I don't know, generally a good SSD will speed up your comp much more than a Q9xxx -> i7 Core.

 

[hans007]

all luxury goods are selling badly.

the core i7 is a luxury processor. if you havent noticed, atom sales are great... people pare down to the basics in bad economic times. i would figure amd is still selling a good amount of athlon x2s, and intel is selling pentium dual cores still.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

why is the OP crying about intel making decisions for him? intel doesn't make you do anything, you can buy whatever you want. if u dont want an i7 go buy something cheaper. and please, if u must rant, do it in english else it just gives us headaches

 

[zerogear]

Haha, at the end of the day, I still rather wait for a true octo-core processor rather than a Quad-core with Hyperthreading. Was never fan of it during Pentium 4 days, sure ain't a fan of it now.

 

[BubbaBooBoo]

To anyone who is consedering buying an i7. Do it! Its not like I went from a single core to an i7 and got blown away, I was already on a Yorkfeild. I could have never ever ever imagened the massive speed boost with the i7 920. If the componnent price scares you try Dell like I did. I got my rig set up with 12 GB RAM and paid a close to C2Q price for it! Even if you do toss the horible power supply! Its two bad that the economy went south rigth at this time as i7 woudl have been a monster hit!

 

[poohbear]

Originally posted by: BubbaBooBoo
To anyone who is consedering buying an i7. Do it! Its not like I went from a single core to an i7 and got blown away, I was already on a Yorkfeild. I could have never ever ever imagened the massive speed boost with the i7 920. If the componnent price scares you try Dell like I did. I got my rig set up with 12 GB RAM and paid a close to C2Q price for it! Even if you do toss the horible power supply! Its two bad that the economy went south rigth at this time as i7 woudl have been a monster hit!

"massive speed boost"? in what exactly because most benchmarks dont show anything massive about such an upgrade?(except maybe the price)

u're mind must be playing tricks on u.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: zerogear
Haha, at the end of the day, I still rather wait for a true octo-core processor rather than a Quad-core with Hyperthreading. Was never fan of it during Pentium 4 days, sure ain't a fan of it now.

Do you have a program that uses 8 cores? Do tell......

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: zerogear
Haha, at the end of the day, I still rather wait for a true octo-core processor rather than a Quad-core with Hyperthreading. Was never fan of it during Pentium 4 days, sure ain't a fan of it now.

go right ahead if you want to pay for 8 cores.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
why is the OP crying about intel making decisions for him? intel doesn't make you do anything, you can buy whatever you want. if u dont want an i7 go buy something cheaper. and please, if u must rant, do it in english else it just gives us headaches

Intel effectively killed the launch dates it had set for i5 and thus all that is left from intel in the ix side are the i7's and their x58 mates which are expensive as hell not to mention the DDR3.

It would have been nice to see i5/LGA1156 platform and PhII/AM3 platform break each other and then decide which to buy on the value for money bases.

Cheaper than i7 would be the C2Q's now they are last gen processors in Intel's stable if i want to upgrade from q6600 going to q9550 instead of say a i5/i7 in the same price bracket does not make sense.

Sry the thread was typed in the wee hours in the cold and with lack of photons to go around..!!

 

[Phynaz]

Intel effectively killed the launch dates it had set for i5

Please show us where Intel ever set launch dates for this so called i5 cpu.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh

What is next, maybe intel will release a i9 processor with a LGA 1550 socket to go along and a x68 series MB off course making you sell off your all ready bought extrema i7 setup just because you want to be ontop.

no its called adding another i7 onto the same board and running 2 on a DP board.

Originally posted by: BubbaBooBoo
To anyone who is consedering buying an i7. Do it! Its not like I went from a single core to an i7 and got blown away, I was already on a Yorkfeild. I could have never ever ever imagened the massive speed boost with the i7 920. If the componnent price scares you try Dell like I did. I got my rig set up with 12 GB RAM and paid a close to C2Q price for it! Even if you do toss the horible power supply! Its two bad that the economy went south rigth at this time as i7 woudl have been a monster hit!

dont underestimate Yorkfield!

i bet in most things i do, sakura, my 4.2ghz QX9650 would of been unoticable by EVA, my 4.125 i7 965.

Its only when EVA uses 8 threads does she beat sakura.

Problem is tho what uses 8 threads minus distributive computing that an overclocker would use?

 

[BubbaBooBoo]

Yes, in photoshop the difference is nohting short of amazing from the yorkfield. 8 (hypre)cores and 12 gb ram dont take no for an answer and photoshop uses each and every one. Sure i could get close to that performence by oc ing a yorkfeild with big cooler, maybe water or phase change, but with the i7 I can just take it out of the box, plug it in and zoom. Oc is fine if thats your thing but with the i7 I dont need it.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Problem is tho what uses 8 threads minus distributive computing that an overclocker would use?

Encoding

But I'd rather spend the $ on raid-0 4x SSD's than upgrade to i7 from my existing quad.

 

[Jabbernyx]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Problem is tho what uses 8 threads minus distributive computing that an overclocker would use?

Encoding
But I'd rather spend the $ on raid-0 4x SSD's than upgrade to i7 from my existing quad.

Don't underestimate the CPU load from upscaling and downscaling video as well. Software bobbing, sharpening and high-tap Lanczos resizing can seriously pw3n a high-end dual core.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Problem is tho what uses 8 threads minus distributive computing that an overclocker would use?

Encoding

But I'd rather spend the $ on raid-0 4x SSD's than upgrade to i7 from my existing quad.

I second that!!!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Problem is tho what uses 8 threads minus distributive computing that an overclocker would use?

Encoding

But I'd rather spend the $ on raid-0 4x SSD's than upgrade to i7 from my existing quad.

This count?

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1146.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1145.jpg

I need 3 more intel SSD's to get what you want tho.

You guys interested in seeing the monster attached to those drives?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

You guys interested in seeing the monster attached to those drives?

It better be something like an Areca 1280ML or better class raid-card with 2GB or more cache. Don't tell me you are using some craptastic on-board mobo raid for those!

 

[Jabbernyx]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
You guys interested in seeing the monster attached to those drives?

Quit bragging