but we all know microcenter is going to have the i7-2600K for 200$
Well, seeing as you bought now but won't be building for a month or two I think you really did make a bad choice. I could see it if you actually going to use the proc (or need 3+ GPUs or 24GB of ram), but we all know microcenter is going to have the i7-2600K for 200$ by the time you're looking for an X58 board.
TBH, I can't see that happening. With i7 920/930 there's nothing cheaper on the same socket. With 2600K at $200, who'd buy anything else in the SB quad lineup if the cheapest one is only ~$20 cheaper? Maybe if someone really needs the low powered versions...God I hope so. I will be there at 8am the day they are released.
Yeah, if I was someone who didn't want to OC and didn't want an enthusiast platform I could see that. But I do want an enthusiast platform, and the Sandies are locked away. It's a MAINSTREAM platform. Now, the I7 950 is also priced mainstream but has very flexible capabilities nevertheless. I'm not interested in SB because of the IGP, its locked speeds and pretty much absolute bar to OCing (the turbo helps in that regard) and its new platform which is bound to be buggy at first, and basically I doubt a 950 at 4 GHz or so is a bad choice for anyone. Arrows in my back don't interest me, thanks.
Yeah, if I was someone who didn't want to OC and didn't want an enthusiast platform I could see that. But I do want an enthusiast platform, and the Sandies are locked away. It's a MAINSTREAM platform.
..., but we all know microcenter is going to have the i7-2600K for 200$ by the time you're looking for an X58 board.
Yeah, if I was someone who didn't want to OC and didn't want an enthusiast platform I could see that. But I do want an enthusiast platform, and the Sandies are locked away. It's a MAINSTREAM platform. Now, the I7 950 is also priced mainstream but has very flexible capabilities nevertheless. I'm not interested in SB because of the IGP, its locked speeds and pretty much absolute bar to OCing (the turbo helps in that regard) and its new platform which is bound to be buggy at first, and basically I doubt a 950 at 4 GHz or so is a bad choice for anyone. Arrows in my back don't interest me, thanks.
A very basic question.
Can the IGP be used to drive multiple monitors? My guess that depends on what the mobo manufacturer decides to support but is it feasible?
Suppose I want a quad monitor solution. Can I get away with the MOBO driving two using the IGP and a single card driving another two monitors?
Yeah, if I was someone who didn't want to OC and didn't want an enthusiast platform I could see that. But I do want an enthusiast platform, and the Sandies are locked away.
You say that like it has any technical meaning. That's just a marketing decision to milk profits.It's a MAINSTREAM platform. Now, the I7 950 is also priced mainstream but has very flexible capabilities nevertheless. I'm not interested in SB because of the IGP, its locked speeds and pretty much absolute bar to OCing (the turbo helps in that regard) and its new platform which is bound to be buggy at first, and basically I doubt a 950 at 4 GHz or so is a bad choice for anyone. Arrows in my back don't interest me, thanks.
Not a bad point, but MC also has the i7-870 for 210 with the i5-760 at 170$ right now, so it's obviously logic that works for them.TBH, I can't see that happening. With i7 920/930 there's nothing cheaper on the same socket. With 2600K at $200, who'd buy anything else in the SB quad lineup if the cheapest one is only ~$20 cheaper?
These are pointless CPU's What progress have we made in over 4 years ?
These are pointless CPU's What progress have we made in over 4 years ?
4 cores ?
What about 8 cores or 16, That will WOW me, not this stuff, Sandy can go F herself . Thank you
If I buy a Socket 1156 CPU Fan such as the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+, will it be compatible with the upcoming Sandy Bridge CPUs?
I asked that same question and was told yes. The holes are aligned in the same place as the 1156
I agree with this, and thats why im not excited about SB. Sure it will be great for mainstream users which are casual gamers and mainly use the computer for internet and productivity work. But the overclockers and more enthusiast users will have to wait for 2011. And thats why the i7 clocked to 4 - 4.4Ghz will be a great CPU choice that will last at least 2 years and still be a great CPU, which is amazing considering how long it has been out already.
I don't know what the hell you're thinking, but 1155 is going to be fine for a lot more than "mainstream users which are casual gamers and mainly use the computer for internet and productivity work". The vast majority of even "hardcore" gamers today do not use 3 or 4-way CF/SLI setups and there are practically no games that benefit from 6 cores.
Let's review what 1366 buys over 1156 today:
- Triple-channel memory. This is great if you run synthetic memory benches all day long but the performance impact in games is minimal.
- More than 16 lanes of PCIe. If you have a single GPU this doesn't matter. If you have dual GPUs the performance difference is negligible.
- Six-core CPUs. Almost no one buys these. If you think that being a "serious gamer" means that you spend $900 on your CPU, you're insane.
On January 9th the i7-2600K is going to ship. Whether you like it or not it will be the fastest quad-core CPU you can buy. It's not even going to be close. Hell, Anand's Sandy Bridge benchmarks have an i5-2400 (which is clocked at 3.1GHz - 300MHz slower than the i7-2600) beating the six-core $1000 i7-980X in basically anything that doesn't take advantage of six cores - which includes virtually every game.
If you want to go 1366 and pay more for a slower CPU that uses more power because it's an "extreme" socket and not a "mainstream" socket, be my guest. If you want a machine now and not in a month, 1366 is a decent choice. But don't pretend that you're getting something "better" than Sandy Bridge, unless you happen to be one of the people who needs more than 8GB of memory or more than 2 GPUs.
I have an i3-530 right now, and I am certainly not a "casual gamers" and my desktop is rarely used "for internet and productivity work" (I have my laptop for that). I bought the i3 because it was cheap, because it let me spend more of my limited budget on other components (like the power supply and GPU) and because I knew Sandy Bridge was coming. I'm pissed that I need a new motherboard for Sandy Bridge (the i3 and board will probably go to my parents to upgrade their Athlon 64 4200+ system), but that's reality.
On January 9 I'm going to head to Micro Center and drop 200-300 clams on an i7-2600K (or maybe I'll buy online if Micro Center doesn't have their loss-leader deal). And I'm going to have the fastest gaming CPU that you can buy for the next 6 months. If you want to wait for LGA2011, go for it. But between January 9 and whenever LGA2011 ships, the "mainstream" 1155 platform is going to be faster than anything you can buy on the "enthusiast" 1366 platform, with the possible exception of the $900 6-core CPUs (and even there it's a toss-up depending on whether your apps can take advantage of 6 cores).
It's not even going to be close. Sandy Bridge is faster clock-for-clock than Bloomfield, it's clocked higher, and it turbos higher.
Again, I don't have a problem with you dropping $199 at Micro Center on an i7-950. I bought my i3 like 3 months ago knowing that it was a dead-end socket because I wanted to play games then and not in 5 months.
If you can't - or don't want - to wait until January 9th, Bloomfield is a fine option. If you want a platform that's been around longer and is better debugged, Bloomfield is a fine option. If you want 3 memory channels because you have an application that's particularly bandwidth sensitive, or because you want more than 8GB of DDR3 without resorting to 4GB DIMMS, Bloomfield is a fine option. If you want 3-way or higher SLI/CF, or you have one of those edge cases where PCIe 2.0 x8 isn't fast enough, Bloomfield is a fine option.
But almost none of those apply to the typical Anandtech reader. The bottom line is that you should almost certainly wait for Sandy Bridge. It's better in nearly every way: higher clocks, more performance per clock, lower power usage, AVX instructions, hardware video encoding, and higher turbo. And the motherboards will cost less than 1366 boards.
You forgot the part about overclocking and tweak ability. Good 1366 boards offer great tweak ability, and the i7 980's oc very well. We know little about how 1155 will actually overclock, save the unlocked k series. We do know that on 1366, not only can the cpu be oced, but so can the uncore, the PCIE bus, the BCLK, the memory, plus the extra PCIE lanes are good for more than just video cards, think add in raid cards, sound cards, usb3 cards etc.
Now I am not saying the 1155 will not be a kickass platform on a budget, but it will not have the same features that 1366 or 2011 will offer for the enthusiast. Sure, a 2600 is going to be a better buy than a 1 grand 980x, but for those who want the very best, the 2600 may not be enough. We still need to wait for more benchmarks and oc results.
Plus, some people are lucky enough to get hexcores at reduced price(retail edge, online/local deals), or even free through Intel. (In which case we are talking about ES/QS, which don't actually have a price)
I think the point that rifterut was trying to make was that though was that 1155 may be close in performance (at least when not overclocked, we don't know yet how well 1155 will OC) but it still will not be a top of the line platform. Some enthusiasts want the very best, and this includes the bells, whistles, and tweaking available on 1366/2011.
So far, we know of several shortcomings with 1155/1156: no hexcores yet, no uncore control, at least with 1156, afawk no BLCK control on 1155, fewer PCIE lanes, and fewer RAM channels(though this doesn't mean much)
Finally, I will say that regardless of what camp you are in, wait for 1155 at least, if not just to have 1366 prices hopefully drop. Once the reviews are out, then you can make the decision: 1366, 1155, or wait longer for 2011.
You forgot the part about overclocking and tweak ability. Good 1366 boards offer great tweak ability, and the i7 980's oc very well. We know little about how 1155 will actually overclock, save the unlocked k series. We do know that on 1366, not only can the cpu be oced, but so can the uncore, the PCIE bus, the BCLK, the memory, plus the extra PCIE lanes are good for more than just video cards, think add in raid cards, sound cards, usb3 cards etc.
God I hope so. I will be there at 8am the day they are released.