IBM vs Intel

[delon]

Hello! I got an internship offer from IBM System Z design group. I also have another offer from intel (verification group). How it's like working for IBM ? I have no idea about how to compare these two companies! IBM System Z internship seems to be highly challenging and exciting! However same thing can be said for Intel also.

I would appreciate to get some feedback in this issue. Please help me with some advice/suggestion. In IBM, I will get the chance to work with their principal system z microprocessor designer. So, I am kinda leaning toward IBM. I need to make a tough decision here. Thanks in advance.

 

[TecHNooB]

go for ibm.

 

[CanOWorms]

I'd go for the IBM position. A design position can lead to more types of positions in the future than a verification position.

 

[RavenSEAL]

IBM any day of the week.

 

[Bignate603]

I'd go for the IBM position. A design position can lead to more types of positions in the future than a verification position.

This. Take the design position, it will be better experience that can be used to get a better job later on.

 

[CountZero]

Hello! I got an internship offer from IBM System Z design group. I also have another offer from intel (verification group). How it's like working for IBM ? I have no idea about how to compare these two companies! IBM System Z internship seems to be highly challenging and exciting! However same thing can be said for Intel also.

I would appreciate to get some feedback in this issue. Please help me with some advice/suggestion. In IBM, I will get the chance to work with their principal system z microprocessor designer. So, I am kinda leaning toward IBM. I need to make a tough decision here. Thanks in advance.

Unless you really want to do verification take the design internship. People frequently want to get into design it can be competitive so having experience will be a big plus. Also IBM frequently flips interns to full time and even if you don't stick with IBM the name carries a surprising amount of weight on a resume.

 

[bignateyk]

Design >>>> verification

 

[shikhan]

Which group do you mean by verification for intel? If you actually meant one of our validation teams, such as the PreSi Val team in Oregon, then I would definitively suggest you go with that. The PreSi uAV team in Oregon gets to be know the unit/cluster more than the design team in most cases and works closely with Architecture & design to decide what goes in.

[edit]The PreSi uAV team is one team that breaks the concept that most people have of design>validation. [/edit]

 

[Drako]

Design >>>> verification

This, plus Intel is a sweatshop

 

[TecHNooB]

This, plus Intel is a sweatshop

i didn't want to say this but that's what i hear as well.

 

[Printer Bandit]

if you chose intel, would it be at the headquarters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMT9Obytq2I

 

[delon]

Well.. I did some research and it seems that the work in IBM is more attractive by considering my area of interest. I know that internship is a learning experience and I should not think about the benefits now. However, it's still bothering me as the salary offered by intel (including relocation) is much more attractive than IBM. I also heard that IBM salary package for new grad is not competitive like other counterparts like intel, AMD.

I know there are many seniors here! What you suggest? Will it be unresonable if I consider salary/ benefit as a parameter now toward making my decision? I know that both IBM and intel flip interns to full times after graduation. Really a tough decision to make!

 

[TecHNooB]

so you want to be a fulltime verification guy?

 

[delon]

No! You made your point

 

[CountZero]

Well.. I did some research and it seems that the work in IBM is more attractive by considering my area of interest. I know that internship is a learning experience and I should not think about the benefits now. However, it's still bothering me as the salary offered by intel (including relocation) is much more attractive than IBM. I also heard that IBM salary package for new grad is not competitive like other counterparts like intel, AMD.

I know there are many seniors here! What you suggest? Will it be unresonable if I consider salary/ benefit as a parameter now toward making my decision? I know that both IBM and intel flip interns to full times after graduation. Really a tough decision to make!

Internships are for experience first connections second everything else last. Doing design work will help you land design jobs. Even if you don't want to stay at IBM. If they were doing the same kind of work then maybe you consider salary of full time offers but they aren't the same kind of work so then you consider the experience you'll gain.

You could ask IBM for more money but when I did my internship there the pay was set by degree progress and not flexible.

 

[delon]

@CountZero Yes, the salary is based on degree program and percentage of completed credits toward degree. Did you work full time for IBM?

 

[CountZero]

@CountZero Yes, the salary is based on degree program and percentage of completed credits toward degree. Did you work full time for IBM?

Nope, just the internship.

 

[delon]

Nope, just the internship.

Do you work in semiconductor industry? I might use some help from you about the nature of work

 

[Gothgar]

A family member worked for Intel.. retired a while back but he seemed to like it.

 

[CountZero]

Do you work in semiconductor industry? I might use some help from you about the nature of work

Yes I do. I think there are several people here that work in the semiconductor industry.

 

[TecHNooB]

Do you work in semiconductor industry? I might use some help from you about the nature of work

I slept thru intro semiconductors. How's that

 

[brianmanahan]

system z = a freakin COBOL mainframe

i hate those things

 

[waggy]

don't knock COBOL!

anyway i would go IBM. but either way congrats!

 

[WackyDan]

I work for IBM as a field software sales engineer. They are a great company with competitive pay. They are far more stable than most companies in the same space... ie; HP.

That said, Intel has very loyal employees due to their sabbatical program for employees.. .. Every several years you get an extra two or three months of vacation... Makes turn over at Intel very low.

I've worked with some of the best in the industry from both IBM and Intel. I think your decision should be which position moves you forward in the skill you are after and what career path you want after college.

Both internships will look great on your resume and both will give you a lot of contacts to network with if you concentrate on that aspect.

 

[TuxDave]

I work for Intel and the stress level varies per site. I'm no where near stressed working in the Oregon group but my brother claims that the Santa Clara site stole his soul. Just food for thought.

And as a designer..... design >>> verification (unless you're into that type, then go do verification)

What courses have you taken and what did you enjoy and what were you good at? That should zero in on what internship you should take.