ICD 7 Test Results

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Rudy Toody

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Originally posted by: ICD7
Old instructions for a different formulation which used a solvent. Ignore

Have I been buying an older version of the mix? Whatever I bought, works great!
 

Uppsala9496

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Just updated my test results. After 72 hours of cure time, the temps have really stabled off around 4-5C cooler for one machine (non-oc'd) and 5-6C cooler for another (oc'd).

Very impressive. Holiday weekend so I won't have time to test it on my 3rd machine.
 

LOUISSSSS

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i would like to re-apply mine. i used the directions on the website and i'm not satisfied with my results, what are ICD7's and other people's suggestions on the best way to remove this... i have 90% isopropyl and no AS remover..
 

ICD7

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I use hardware store type acetone it has no oils or additives- then isopropyl as it leaves less of a residue
 

ICD7

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We are going to add the final twisting action to our application guide as a result of your tests so far. keep up the the test and commentary Great Job.

If you can recall I would like to have the age or or how long or how old the before mounted sink and grease were installed.

Also if you can I have an interest as to break in period vs heat sink pressure. Just note if you can, whether you think your mount is Lightly loaded, medium loaded, or highly loaded in your experience compared with past sink installations.


Do not forget before and after temps with attention to ambients. Hard to tell advantage/disadvantages without it.

Also I have been playing around with some glass slides, marking an IHS sized square and applying different greases in varying amounts using different methods(razor blade, finger in a baggie , line , heating, timing spreading extension micrometer thickness measuring) then clamping to see how the compounds spread. I got some interesting results out of it and I have passed the idea off to a website that is going to run some tests independently and write an article on their results. It should help get closer to an answer on the age old forum question "how do I apply thermal grease?".
 
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Here are my results:

Motherboard : Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L
CPU E8400 @4.0GHz (9 x 445)
vCore = 1.30v
HSF = Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Temps taken using Everest Ultimate and Core Temp 0.97.1

Old Setup: AS5 applied for approx 2 months
Ambient Temp = 76F
Idle: Core 1 - 57C Core 2 - 57C
Load: Core 1 - 71C/72C Core 2 - 71C/72C

Using ICD7 (did the pea size glob and twisting the HSF)
As for the HS pressure, it's hard to determine because this is my first intel build (woo hoo push pins!) so I guess for me it would be medium loaded
Ambient Temp = 75F
Idle: Core 1 - 55C/56C Core 2 - 55C/56C
Load: Core 1 - 68C/69C Core 2 - 68C/69C

This stuff is great, dropping my temps 2-4 degrees!
 

Philippart

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CPU: Intel Core2Duo E6600@2.88GHz@stock vcore
Room temperature: 18.5°C (during all the tests)
Cooler: stock Intel (with some factory scratchs on the copper bottom<--came in the package with these scratches )
Test 1: stock thermal pad, installed in May 2007: CPU: 58°C Core1: 56°C Core2: 56°C ; temperature difference between room and cpu: 39.5°C
Test 2: ICD7, installed 3 days ago: CPU: 60°C Core1: 57°C Core2:57°C ; temperature difference between room and cpu: 41.5°C

I suspect that the paste, only applied in the centre of the CPU, has a hard time with the scratches...
 

ICD7

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Originally posted by: Philippart
CPU: Intel Core2Duo E6600@2.88GHz@stock vcore
Room temperature: 18.5°C (during all the tests)
Cooler: stock Intel (with some factory scratchs on the copper bottom<--came in the package with these scratches )
Test 1: stock thermal pad, installed in May 2007: CPU: 58°C Core1: 56°C Core2: 56°C ; temperature difference between room and cpu: 39.5°C
Test 2: ICD7, installed 3 days ago: CPU: 60°C Core1: 57°C Core2:57°C ; temperature difference between room and cpu: 41.5°C

I suspect that the paste, only applied in the centre of the CPU, has a hard time with the scratches...

Should be some better than the stock thermal pad. Stock or OEM type sinks are a giving me a problem due to a light pressure loading (IMHO as in narzy's results are similar with similar stock sink). Let it sit for another week and see if it "cures" to a thinner bond line with some continued heat/pressure and some thermal cycling.

Anybody have other suggestions?
 

legoman666

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OK, I have two 3870's with EK's full coverblock on them. One has AS Ceramique, the other has ICD 7. The Ceramique'd 3870 is first in the loop, then the ICD 7 3870 is next, so temps on the ICD 7 will be slightly higher. Paste was applied ~3-4 hours prior to testing.

Idle temps
GPU 1 (ceramique):
33C
GPU 2 (ICD 7):
36C

Load temps
GPU 1 (ceramique):
47C
GPU 2 (ICD 7):
45C

And some other random readings; Dtek FuZion on the Q6600 with ICD 7 @ stock speeds:

full load temps (Q6600 all 4 cores @ 100%, GPU's @ ~95%)
CPU:
45 46 40 48
GPU 1:
47
GPU 2:
45

idle temps (Q6600 all 4 cores @ ~2%, GPU's @ 0%)
CPU:
32 33 28 36
GPU 1:
33
GPU 2:
36
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: ICD7
Originally posted by: Philippart
CPU: Intel Core2Duo E6600@2.88GHz@stock vcore
Room temperature: 18.5°C (during all the tests)
Cooler: stock Intel (with some factory scratchs on the copper bottom<--came in the package with these scratches )
Test 1: stock thermal pad, installed in May 2007: CPU: 58°C Core1: 56°C Core2: 56°C ; temperature difference between room and cpu: 39.5°C
Test 2: ICD7, installed 3 days ago: CPU: 60°C Core1: 57°C Core2:57°C ; temperature difference between room and cpu: 41.5°C

I suspect that the paste, only applied in the centre of the CPU, has a hard time with the scratches...

Should be some better than the stock thermal pad. Stock or OEM type sinks are a giving me a problem due to a light pressure loading (IMHO as in narzy's results are similar with similar stock sink). Let it sit for another week and see if it "cures" to a thinner bond line with some continued heat/pressure and some thermal cycling.

Anybody have other suggestions?

Should I wait until I get a non-OEM cooler before testing? I'm going to be switching cases & coolers on a system that I will be testing on. Would have tested this weekend, but the AC went out and had to turn off all the machines.
 

ICD7

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It would be nice to test both for a contrast, I could send you some extra tubes for your trouble.

The issue has come come up on a couple of other giveaway's, not enough to say it's a definitive trend (sometimes the result is just not there) but this is one I think I can nail down.
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: ICD7
It would be nice to test both for a contrast, I could send you some extra tubes for your trouble.

The issue has come come up on a couple of other giveaway's, not enough to say it's a definitive trend (sometimes the result is just not there) but this is one I think I can nail down.

When do the results have to be completed by? I feel like I should have it done already, but fate is not forgiving on my schedule.
 

petrusbroder

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The ICD7-thread was started Feb. 10, 2008.
The first samples were sent out Feb. 27, 2008.

In the thread ICD7 said that he wanted the results in 30 days from the receipt of the compound, and that he could accept 60 days ...

OTOH: if we count 60 days from Feb. 27: that gives us time to at least April 28, 2008, probably somewhat longer.
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: petrusbroder
The ICD7-thread was started Feb. 10, 2008.
The first samples were sent out Feb. 27, 2008.

In the thread ICD7 said that he wanted the results in 30 days from the receipt of the compound, and that he could accept 60 days ...

OTOH: if we count 60 days from Feb. 27: that gives us time to at least April 28, 2008, probably somewhat longer.

I wonder if testing thermal interface material is a valid option for calling in to work.

I have to get this done this weekend then...
 

Assimilator1

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[updated with temps]
My ICD7 just turned up today.
FYI I probably won't have time to test it tonight & I might not be able to do it until Saturday.(I'll setup the tables now).

PC spec:-

CPU - Q6600 @3GHz, vcore 1.304v (whilst loaded with DPAD).
HSF - Thermalright Ultima 90 with 120mm fan (I've already modded this setup by adding a washer under each screw head to increase clamping pressure, which is now moderate).
M/brd - MSI P6N platinium (Nvidia 650 chipset)
Case has 2 120mm fans.

Testing & setup notes:-

CPU loaded with 2 DPAD clients to keep the CPU as near 100% loaded as possible (1 doesn't quite) & then with Prime 95 v25.3a on small FFTs for max CPU temps. P95 temps taken 10 mins after starting it. Idle temps taken after a 10 minute cool down period.

CPU temps measured with Coretemp v0.96, case temp via speedfan & ambients with an old thermometer sat in my room.
The base of the HSF isn't flat & so doesn't make full contact with the CPU* so their is a larger than normal spread between CPU core temps (usually around 8C with DPAD & about 12C with P95 with small FFTs!).

*2 corners of the CPU don't touch the HSF (pic available if wanted) & so at some point soon I've got to lap it :disgust:. For this test however it'll be the same before & after, unlapped.

Before temperatures with Artic Silver 5 (installed over 2mths ago).

Ambient temp: 24.5C
Case temp: 28C

CPU temps C: _ idle _ DPAD ___ P95
Core 1 ______ 39/40 _ 54 _____ 65/66
Core 2 ______ 39/40 _ 54 _____ 65/66
Core 3 ______ 34 ____ 46/47 __ 56/57
Core 4 ______ 38 ____ 50/51 __ 59

After temperatures with ICD7 (about 1.5hrs after installation).

Ambient temp: 25C*
Case temp: 28/29C

CPU temps C: _ idle _ DPAD _ P95
Core 1 ______ 37/38 _ 50 ___ 61
Core 2 ______ 38 ____ 51 ___ 61
Core 3 ______ 33 ____ 46 ___ 56
Core 4 ______ 37 ____ 50 ___ 58

*By the time I took the P95 temps, ambient temp had raised to 26C & case to 30C, grrr damn central heating kicking in!

Wow!, despite that 1-2C dis-advantage for the ICD7 the 2 hottest cores dropped by a large 3-5C under load!:Q, odd that cores 3 & 4 dropped by only about 1C though......
Good to see the temp spread shrink anyway , maybe I can o/c more now?

I wonder if a large chunk of that drop is due to an improved application method?.....hmmm only 1 way to find out, I'm going to use the same app method with my AS5 (hopefully I'll have enough) & report back temps again, then we'll know.

After temperatures with ICD7 (about 5 days after installation).

Ambient temp: 23C
Case temp: 28/29C

CPU temps C: _ idle _ DPAD _ P95
Core 1 _______ 35 ___ 49 ___ 60
Core 2 _______ 36 ___ 50 ___ 60
Core 3 _______ 31/32 _ 45 ___ 54
Core 4 _______ 35/36 _ 49 ___ 57

Temperatures with AS5 using ICD7 application method (installed 12-4-08 14.50, about 2hrs after installation).

Ambient temp: 23.5C
Case temp: 27/28C

CPU temps C: _ idle _ DPAD _ P95
Core 1 ______ 35/36 _ 51 ___ 62
Core 2 ______ 36/37 _ 51 ___ 62
Core 3 _______ 31 ___ 45 ___ 54/55
Core 4 _______ 35 ___ 49/50 _ 57

Well a mixed bag here, firstly using more of the AS5 did help reduce temps compared to the original installation, the temp spread between cores dropped (8-9C down to 6C) but not quite as much as with ICD7 (mostly 5C).

Bearing in mind that the case temp was 1C lower than the ICD7 test, again cores 1&2 benefited more (by 1-2C,+1C) from ICD7 than did 3&4 (almost nothing, +1C) , I guess this has to do with the base of my Ultima 90 not being flat & ICD7 seems to overcome this better.
Ref case temp differences, it's currently 28C (ambient 23.5C) & running DPAD I'm getting 48, 49, 44 & 48C. So the extra 1C cooler I estimated ICD7 would of been, seems accurate.

I may do my GPU at a latter point if its not too much of a PITA to get the HSF off!

LIOUSS
You didn't note case or ambient temps.
 

ICD7

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Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Originally posted by: ICD7
It would be nice to test both for a contrast, I could send you some extra tubes for your trouble.

The issue has come come up on a couple of other giveaway's, not enough to say it's a definitive trend (sometimes the result is just not there) but this is one I think I can nail down.

When do the results have to be completed by? I feel like I should have it done already, but fate is not forgiving on my schedule.

Do not sweat it too much, just moderately. It's understood that time is always a premium commodity for most people, it is so for me so I do appreciate the effort involved in doing this
 

Insidious

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Originally posted by: ICD7
Glass slides showing compound application for those that have an interest

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1529/

When curiosity made me list one HSF I was very pleasantly surprised when I saw the results. My 'pea' looked just like the 'pea' slide and that is my favorite aspect of ICD7.

While my thermal performance of ICD7 and AS5 were virtually identical, I really liked the ease of application with ICD7.

How much did I like it? Enough to beg for another tube

-Sid

 

Assimilator1

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Interesting .

ICD7
How many people did you post tubes to & how many have posted results so far?
 
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