ICE: Another Ridiculous and Sad Story

[ch33zw1z]

That ditch is 3-4 feet deep.

In the handful of spots where you might not get stuck you’ll be in a field or someone’s yard and be well aware that it isn’t a road.

I’m 100% sure I’m more familiar with the geography than someone that’s been there once.

So, you're saying there's no way this could be accidental and the family deserves the current situation.

 

[rommelrommel]

Not sure about the US- Canada border but I heard there are still many places where you can cross through easily. Maybe not roads?? Just curious

Across the border there are a million spots to cross easily but typically not a lot easily by car in the west. In the Vancouver area there are none that you can just drive a car from one road to another. Where the roads are very close in Surrey/Langley/Aldergrove there is a ditch that you’d be hard pressed to get a 4x4 through. In some places you can cross from a road on one side to a field on the other but not exactly something you can do “accidentally” without at least realizing you’re not on a road.

 

[rommelrommel]

So, you're saying there's no way this could be accidental and the family deserves the current situation.

I literally said this was a gross overreaction.

They should have been taken to a port of entry, refused, and on their way within an hour or two.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I literally said this was a gross overreaction.

They should have been taken to a port of entry, refused, and on their way within an hour or two.

Ok, but do you think there's any way they could have avoided an animal by swerving and ended up in the US?

 

[IJTSSG]

As much as I hate to interrupt this circle jerk, as usual there's more to the story that probably wouldn't get talked about in this echo chamber:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/us-officials-say-british-family-illegally-crossed-border-from-canada-on-purpose/2019/10/15/e184cc68-ef7f-11e9-b648-76bcf86eb67e_story.html

You're welcome.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That ditch is 3-4 feet deep.

In the handful of spots where you might not get stuck you’ll be in a field or someone’s yard and be well aware that it isn’t a road.

I’m 100% sure I’m more familiar with the geography than someone that’s been there once.

Eh? I've lived in (and all over) the Lower Mainland since I moved here permanently in 1972 (prior, was here for about 1 1/2 years in 1969-70).

Just read that it was the ditch that they crossed. Been there, done that, didn't get a t shirt or arrested (but, it was a number of years ago, very much pre Trump).

It was a complete over reaction on the part of the US border guards.

Hell, they busted a jogger last year for accidentally crossing the border.



A view to the southeast shows the beach in Surrey, B.C., that crosses the U.S. border. The beach extends northwest into White Rock, B.C., where Cedella Roman set off on her jog. (Denis Dossmann/CBC)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/jogger-who-accidentally-crossed-u-s-border-from-b-c-detained-for-2-weeks-1.4717060

Maybe they should just build a wall all around the US. A big dome might be nice as well.

 

[Victorian Gray]

As much as I hate to interrupt this circle jerk, as usual there's more to the story that probably wouldn't get talked about in this echo chamber:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/us-officials-say-british-family-illegally-crossed-border-from-canada-on-purpose/2019/10/15/e184cc68-ef7f-11e9-b648-76bcf86eb67e_story.html

You're welcome.

And, of course, you believe them without question.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Ten years ago I swam across the Rio Grande to Mexico and back for fun while hiking in Big Bend National Park. God knows what would happen if I did that now.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ten years ago I swam across the Rio Grande to Mexico and back for fun while hiking in Big Bend National Park. God knows what would happen if I did that now.

Someone might throw a grenade at you.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I've heard lot of horror stories of people accidentally going to the US and getting in huge trouble. It's retarded the way they treat people. Just let them go home FFS. ICE are barely human though, they have zero emotions and their goal is to terrorize others.

I really wonder what the end goal is with this whole crap and the concentration camps and all that, like they just shove people in there and leave them indefinitely? Like what is the end goal here? Somebody must be somehow getting rich off this that's the only thing I can think of. Those camps probably work similar to the private jail system where they have to fill quotas. You would think they would want to just send people back if they don't want them in the US. Especially people who had no intentions of going in the first place. The US has always been very obsessed with punishment though, do something wrong, even by accident, and you have to pay hard!

I hope our government will step in to try to rescue them. That must be a horrifying situation to be in especially with a baby, hopefully the baby survives until they get some kind of aid to get them out.

 

[rommelrommel]

Apparently Canada refused to take them back. Perhaps they were overstays here, or had intentionally discarded their passports.

I stand by my original statement that you couldn't have driven across in that area without knowing.

 

[IJTSSG]

And, of course, you believe them without question.

That's funny. Question for you. Why didn't you ask the OP the same question? Or anyone that posted after him?

Just to be clear, I already know the answer. I'm just curious if you have enough self awareness or integrity to answer honestly.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Apparently Canada refused to take them back. Perhaps they were overstays here, or had intentionally discarded their passports.

I stand by my original statement that you couldn't have driven across in that area without knowing.

Hey man, I've never been up to that area, so my post #29 was a legit question.

Right, a new article makes a number of claims, we shall see which ones pan out. I wont place my trust is ice or cbp just yet.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That's funny. Question for you. Why didn't you ask the OP the same question? Or anyone that posted after him?

Just to be clear, I already know the answer. I'm just curious if you have enough self awareness or integrity to answer honestly.

Funny? OK.

Why not say the same thing to the OP? Because I took the time to do a bit of research on the web from sources runing from the CBC, here in Canada , to British new outlets like The Guardian and the BBC. I generally tend not to accept information/stories like this without question.

That work for you bunky?

Edit: (a few hours later) Apparently it doesn't. Sad.

 

[Jhhnn]

That ditch is 3-4 feet deep.

In the handful of spots where you might not get stuck you’ll be in a field or someone’s yard and be well aware that it isn’t a road.

I’m 100% sure I’m more familiar with the geography than someone that’s been there once.

So what? There's no indication that these people are anything other than what they claim, to have been lost. So you run their IDs, search the vehicle & if they''re not wanted for anything show them back across the border.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So what? There's no indication that these people are anything other than what they claim, to have been lost. So you run their IDs, search the vehicle & if they''re not wanted for anything show them back across the border.

Seems to me that if this were some kind of illegal immigration attempt it's an awfully dumb one. As British citizens they don't need a visa to visit the US so they could have simply flown directly from Britain to the US and then 'disappeared' themselves.

Of course this would have been after they decided to leave their jobs, family and friends along with uprooting their kids to live a live on the run in the US. <shrug>

We have absolutely no idea as to what happened but that it was anything even remotely nefarious seems utterly silly at this point in time given the information that is available to us.

 

[Paratus]

Apparently Canada refused to take them back. Perhaps they were overstays here, or had intentionally discarded their passports.

I stand by my original statement that you couldn't have driven across in that area without knowing.

The Washington Post version says they were caught on surveillance slowly traversing a ditch between roads.

That suggests your description is correct but it doesn’t prove they didn’t end up in that ditch avoiding an animal.

Now in normal times I would accept what border control said about Canada not taking them back. Today, until that story is corroborated this looks like an extreme over reaction.

Even if everything ICE claimed is true that’s no excuse for the living conditions.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The Washington Post version says they were caught on surveillance slowly traversing a ditch between roads.

That suggests your description is correct but it doesn’t prove they didn’t end up in that ditch avoiding an animal.

Now in normal times I would accept what border control said about Canada not taking them back. Today, until that story is corroborated this looks like an extreme over reaction.

Even if everything ICE claimed is true that’s no excuse for the living conditions.

Remember, these are the same people who kept a jogger in custody for 2 weeks cause she went too far on an open beach. <shrug>

 

[rommelrommel]

So what? There's no indication that these people are anything other than what they claim, to have been lost. So you run their IDs, search the vehicle & if they''re not wanted for anything show them back across the border.

Well, I already said that should have happened. If they had permanent status in Canada they would have been home within hours.

 

[Paratus]

Remember, these are the same people who kept a jogger in custody for 2 weeks cause she went too far on an open beach. <shrug>

Yup.
Like I said these days I won’t trust a single thing they claim unless corroborated by an outside trustworthy source.

The next President is going to have to clean house at ICE and then threaten the rank and file with loss of their jobs up to legal action and jail time for any violation of rules and regulations while performing their jobs.

 

[IJTSSG]

Funny? OK.

Why not say the same thing to the OP? Because I took the time to do a bit of research on the web from sources runing from the CBC, here in Canada , to British new outlets like The Guardian and the BBC. I generally tend not to accept information/stories like this without question.

That work for you bunky?

Edit: (a few hours later) Apparently it doesn't. Sad.

Of course you did, zippy. Of course you did.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Of course you did, zippy. Of course you did.

You asked, I answered. You don't believe me. Tough shit.

 

[Jaskalas]

As much as I hate to interrupt this circle jerk, as usual there's more to the story that probably wouldn't get talked about in this echo chamber:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/us-officials-say-british-family-illegally-crossed-border-from-canada-on-purpose/2019/10/15/e184cc68-ef7f-11e9-b648-76bcf86eb67e_story.html

You're welcome.

You know what I read in that article? Further corroboration of their story and innocence.

"The family members said they were stopped by a U.S. agent, were denied a request to return to Canada "​

If they wanted to cross the border back to Canada, they should have been inspected and IDed at most, and then escorted back across.

 

[IJTSSG]

You know what I read in that article? Further corroboration of their story and innocence.

"The family members said they were stopped by a U.S. agent, were denied a request to return to Canada "​

If they wanted to cross the border back to Canada, they should have been inspected and IDed at most, and then escorted back across.

You do know that there's a process for someone to go back to Canada right? Border agents can't just escort them back across? Of course you did. You're obviously extraordinarily intelligent.

It's been reported that the Canadian government has refused them reentry. In the case of the idiot jogger that everyone keeps bringing up it took the CA .gov more than a week to even agree to check if she was eligible to return.

 

[thilanliyan]

If true, it's a bit odd that they had $16k in cash no? Hopefully the baby is okay.