Originally posted by: jahawkin
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Czar
what would people consider hard, definitive, conclusive science about global warming?
The fact that the atmosphere has been steadily warming since our industrialisation took on the big pace?
Goodnight peoples.
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perfect example of bad science. Correlation does not equal causation my friend.
Scientific method:
1. Observe something
2. Formulate a theory as to what you've observed (This is where a lot of so-called GW science ends and politics begins - and where your comment stopped)
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions. (Some people make it this far - Kyoto is based right here)
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results. (People conducting honest science on the subject are in this stage right now)
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation. (We're not here yet)
You're right. Since global warming science isn't at the sacred level 5 of the scientific method we can throw all of it out the window. There are also discrepancies with newtonian physics as you approach c, so should we disregard that??
So are all the scientists and scientific organization metioned
here practicing dishonest science?? After all, they all agree that:
Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue
But you say correlation != causation. All these people must be wrong. The IPCC, NAS, AMS, and AGU are all wrong!! See correlation does not equal causation!! These scientists have no idea what they're talking about and are all dismissed in 5 easy steps.
Do the global warming denyers realize that they are on the intelluctual level of intelligent design?? Just point out a few inconsistencies in the theory without providing any alternative explanation and voila, years of scientific progress gone. The ID's throw their hands up in the air and say "some intellngent being designed humans and life. It cannot be explained or studied any other way," just like the global warming skeptics say "its all natural climate variation, we can know no more." A perfect example of this is this quote:
Short of mearurements that show the world is a little warmer than it was a few hundred years ago we know very little about why or how.
hmmm, that sounds alot like an IDer saying "show me a complete lineage of organisms from chimp to human or I'm not buying evolution business."
Never mind that we can study the climate (study evolution). We can study climate systems, model climate and retrieve (from climate proxies going back thousands of years) and model past climate (going back millions of years).
But don't mind the thousands of scientists who know way more about the subject than you do. Disregard the fact that all the major scientific organizations agree that anthropogenic climate change is occuring. Just say the its all natural variation (despite the mountain of evidence saying its not) and pretend that it isn't happening.