ICE COLD!!!! NEC ND-2510A dual layer DVD burner $97.99!!!!! NOT HACKED 2500A

[0roo0roo]

you should ask does it burn dl well. nec's burn single layer well..that much is pretty much fact i'm using the 2500a with heries bios, but no dl media to test its tragic

 

[repsapalnud]

My question, being new to the dvd burning scene, is what is the diff between the 2510a sw "DVD+R9" burners and the 2510a that say "DVD+R DL?" There's only a $7-10 diff, and I can't find any diff except that one comes with Roxio and then the +R9/+R DL difference...

 

[rubisco]

R9 and DL are the same thing. The only difference between the two is that SW comes with the software (Roxio) while the other does not.

 

[DaCurryman]

Originally posted by: DaCurryman
Anyone know how this compares to the LiteOn SOHW 832S?

http://www.extrememhz.com/sohw832s-p1.shtml

Nobody knows?

 

[shagman]

BB now has the black faced unit on sale for a mere $89.99 w/ free shipping. Can't beat that with a stick!! HOT!!!

 

[DaCurryman]

except that BB charges tax which is another $7.75 for me in NYC, where NewEgg has it for $89.99 w/ free shipping and no tax (unless you're in NJ or CA I think).

Price is dropped to $89.99 @ NewEgg for a one-day sale. Gonna jump on it now.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: DaCurryman
except that BB charges tax which is another $7.75 for me in NYC, where NewEgg has it for $89.99 w/ free shipping and no tax (unless you're in NJ or CA I think).

Price is dropped to $89.99 @ NewEgg for a one-day sale. Gonna jump on it now.

Me too. Had to jump at that price. I know we'll all be sorry in about 3-4 months once more DL drives hit the market at higher speeds but I've got tons of data, dvds, etc to back up now; not then. I'm happy! No shipping, no tax, no fuss!

 

[simplexchangedotcom]

Umm dumb question but with the OEM NEC 2510-a, where do I download drivers? or do I not need them?

 

[Tsunami982]

my friend got his two days ago. what can you say... it burners like any other DVD burners as far as we can tell... you cant *really* tell how well its going to perform until the DL media comes out.

EDIT: yeah ive heard how some people have somehow started burning DL on certain media now (dont ask me how, i dont know) but you cant really judge how good the drive is with modified media. i would expect to get at least a slightly more coasters by using a media way outside of what it was designed for.

BTW does anyone know how you actually make modified media? finals are almost over and ill have time to tinker pretty soon.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Tsunami982
my friend got his two days ago. what can you say... it burners like any other DVD burners as far as we can tell... you cant *really* tell how well its going to perform until the DL media comes out.

EDIT: yeah ive heard how some people have somehow started burning DL on certain media now (dont ask me how, i dont know) but you cant really judge how good the drive is with modified media. i would expect to get at least a slightly more coasters by using a media way outside of what it was designed for.

BTW does anyone know how you actually make modified media? finals are almost over and ill have time to tinker pretty soon.

Some have gotten "sample" DL media with their drive. Others have found it (although pricey) on the web. Yes, the DL media is both hard to find and a bit pricey for now. I guess it goes with the territory of being on the "bleeding edge" of the technology. I'm willing to take the dive for now but I also remember the horrors of past bleeding edge products; like Windows 95. I can''t tell you how many hours that upgrade cost me. :roll: Looks like I haven't learned my lessons yet, doesn't it??!!

 

[shagman]

Sorry, meant Newegg! BestBuy wouldn't have that kind of deal, and like you said, tax would kill it.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: shagman
Sorry, meant Newegg! BestBuy wouldn't have that kind of deal, and like you said, tax would kill it.

Edit your other post.

For me, Newegg has tax (CA).

Question: Will the 2510a do everything a DVD-Rom and CDRW drive will do in addition to burning DVD-R and DVD+R? IOW, could I get along with just this one drive instead of two like I have now (assuming I don't miss listening to a CD while burning a DVD)?

 

[DaCurryman]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: shagman
Sorry, meant Newegg! BestBuy wouldn't have that kind of deal, and like you said, tax would kill it.

Edit your other post.

For me, Newegg has tax (CA).

Question: Will the 2510a do everything a DVD-Rom and CDRW drive will do in addition to burning DVD-R and DVD+R? IOW, could I get along with just this one drive instead of two like I have now (assuming I don't miss listening to a CD while burning a DVD)?

Yes it will, the reason I still keep 2 drives is to do a direct transfer like via Clone CD. It's just easier to copy on the fly from one disc to another. And I'm sure once the DL media comes out, software will come out to allow you to do direct DVD9 transfers (though it will be a slow process). I still prefer to watch my DVD movies on my CDRW/DVD-ROM combo drive as opposed to my DVD+R/RW as well as use the combo drive to rip the DVDs.

But the answer to your question is that you can eliminate the need for a second drive if you'd like. You just have to use your HD in the process of copying. Old Media --> HD --> New Media

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: DaCurryman

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: shagman
Sorry, meant Newegg! BestBuy wouldn't have that kind of deal, and like you said, tax would kill it.

Edit your other post.

For me, Newegg has tax (CA).

Question: Will the 2510a do everything a DVD-Rom and CDRW drive will do in addition to burning DVD-R and DVD+R? IOW, could I get along with just this one drive instead of two like I have now (assuming I don't miss listening to a CD while burning a DVD)?

Yes it will, the reason I still keep 2 drives is to do a direct transfer like via Clone CD. It's just easier to copy on the fly from one disc to another. And I'm sure once the DL media comes out, software will come out to allow you to do direct DVD9 transfers (though it will be a slow process). I still prefer to watch my DVD movies on my CDRW/DVD-ROM combo drive as opposed to my DVD+R/RW as well as use the combo drive to rip the DVDs.

But the answer to your question is that you can eliminate the need for a second drive if you'd like. You just have to use your HD in the process of copying. Old Media --> HD --> New Media

Ah, so to copy DVDs you could speed up the process by having a DVD-Rom drive in the machine, right? How much faster is it?

Why do you prefer to watch DVD movies with your non-burning drive?

 

[DaCurryman]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: DaCurryman

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: shagman
Sorry, meant Newegg! BestBuy wouldn't have that kind of deal, and like you said, tax would kill it.

Edit your other post.

For me, Newegg has tax (CA).

Question: Will the 2510a do everything a DVD-Rom and CDRW drive will do in addition to burning DVD-R and DVD+R? IOW, could I get along with just this one drive instead of two like I have now (assuming I don't miss listening to a CD while burning a DVD)?

Yes it will, the reason I still keep 2 drives is to do a direct transfer like via Clone CD. It's just easier to copy on the fly from one disc to another. And I'm sure once the DL media comes out, software will come out to allow you to do direct DVD9 transfers (though it will be a slow process). I still prefer to watch my DVD movies on my CDRW/DVD-ROM combo drive as opposed to my DVD+R/RW as well as use the combo drive to rip the DVDs.

But the answer to your question is that you can eliminate the need for a second drive if you'd like. You just have to use your HD in the process of copying. Old Media --> HD --> New Media

Ah, so to copy DVDs you could speed up the process by having a DVD-Rom drive in the machine, right? How much faster is it?

Why do you prefer to watch DVD movies with your non-burning drive?

I don't think it's possible just yet. The reason it's possible for CDs is because you're reading and burning to a same size disc. With DVD's (especially with movies) you're likely burning an 8.4GB disc onto a 4.7GB disc, which is why you have to rip to HD first and compress it, then burn. Now that Dual-Layer (8.4GB) burners and media are hitting the market, it may be much more feasible to go from one drive to another.

I watch my DVD movies and play my CDs on my combo drive just cause it's a faster drive. I dunno if it actually makes a performance difference (it may be just my mind thinking so). It's a bit quieter too when it's spinning. And also, sometimes, I'll be burning a movie on the DVD burner and watching a movie, copying files, or burning a CD on the other drive.

 

[Tullphan]

Even tho it isn't a dual layer drive, how does this drive compare otherwise to the Plextor PX-708A?
Is this drive a quiet drive?

 

[Averox]

The tray when ejecting and going back in isn't as quiet as a PX-708A. I'll still prefer the ND-2510A over the PX-708A, hence why I bought one.

 

[Muse]

I just got the 2510a today and installed it. Haven't tried to burn with it yet. Went into Device Manager and in the properties for the 2510a, Advanced, it says that the drive doesn't have a region set yet and that I have to select a region by picking a country and that I can change it up to 5 times and that's it. What's the deal with this? Can I flash this thing region free? Thanks for the scoop.

I bought a spindle of 25 8x DVD+R no-name disks at a computer show over the weekend and have Nero 6 Ultra. Do I just burn disks like CDs in Nero Burning Rom 6? Say, if I want to copy a DVD movie, I use DVD Shrink and burn the files in a folder to the DVD? That simple? TIA.

 

[Buz2b]

I also have good and bad to present. First, I love drive itself; it is quiet and sleek. I did have some major problems installing it though with XP. I continually got the nice dark blue screen of death after the desktop came up and Windows seemed to "discover" the drive. I was trying to install it in the Secondary Master position, so I then tried the Primary Master, Secondary Slave, etc. All of them ended in blue screens. As a last resort I installed the drive as the Primary Master with the same Lite-On CDRW as the Secondary Master and it finally worked. Mind you, I think most of the problem here is my configuration and I am "happily" looking forward to reinstalling XP. HOWEVER, on the big upside of this, I was able to (with Nero 6 Ultra) drag and drop all my digital pics (there's a ton of them), all my documents and all my downloads to one single DVD-RW disk. Gotta Love That!! Yes, any other 8X DVD drive will do the same but I now also have the option of doing the same on the DL disks, since my digital pics, docs and downloads will ALWAYS increase at a rapid pace. BTW, I just about filled the 4.7 GB disk; to the tune of 4.53 GB. I figure that's close enough!!

Just to continue on the previous post though, I did find the same, similar info in Device Manager. Is there a file to flash this drive to be without regions? Any feedback on that?? Here's the message I got:

Edit to the last info provided: Here's the exact message from Device Manager-Properties on the drive:

Most DVD?s are encoded to play in specific regions. To play a regionalized DVD on your computer, you must set your DVD drive to play disks from that region by selecting a geographic area from the following list.
CAUTION: You can change the region a limited number of times. After Changes Remaining reaches zero, you cannot change the region, even if you reinstall Windows or move your DVD drive to a different computer.

Changes remaining: 5

To change the current region, select a geographical area, and then click OK.

This might be a minor impact thing but it would be good to clear it up for us "dummies". LOL!!

 

[Muse]

Buz2b says...

This might be a minor impact thing but it would be good to clear it up for us "dummies". LOL!!

You can only call me a dummie 5 more times....

Uh, did you manage to write your DVD-RW disk without setting the region?

FYI, I experienced no problems installing the drive on my Win2000 SP4 machine. Set the jumper for slave and have it as secondary slave along side my three 80 GB WD HDs.

 

[stingygrrl]

Originally posted by: Muse
Say, if I want to copy a DVD movie, I use DVD Shrink and burn the files in a folder to the DVD? That simple? TIA.

I have the NEC 1300A and herrie's hacked FW so I can change the bitsetting on DVD+ format to fool a DVD player to thinking they are DVD-ROM for wider compatibility in players.

you can use dvd decryptor (freeware) to rip to your HD, adn then DVD shrink to put the .vob files in the correct format to burn to DVD. You need the top layer folders, not just the individual files. eg, you need an empty AuDIO_TS folder and the VIDEO_TS folder with the files that it comtains, as the top layer of files on teh DVD.

I also prefer Veritas REcordnow DX 4.6 (v7 is out but it's a whole different program as the program was sold to Sonic I think and they changed the whole guts of the program, but not the name ) Nero AFAIK does not let you burn DVD+ as DVD-ROM although it says it does (for the bitsetting I referred to above). Recordnow does do it correctly so that's why I use it. Mr. Bass has a great site and also check out doom9.net

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: stingygrrl

Originally posted by: Muse
Say, if I want to copy a DVD movie, I use DVD Shrink and burn the files in a folder to the DVD? That simple? TIA.

I have the NEC 1300A and herrie's hacked FW so I can change the bitsetting on DVD+ format to fool a DVD player to thinking they are DVD-ROM for wider compatibility in players.

you can use dvd decryptor (freeware) to rip to your HD, adn then DVD shrink to put the .vob files in the correct format to burn to DVD. You need the top layer folders, not just the individual files. eg, you need an empty AuDIO_TS folder and the VIDEO_TS folder with the files that it comtains, as the top layer of files on teh DVD.

I also prefer Veritas REcordnow DX 4.6 (v7 is out but it's a whole different program as the program was sold to Sonic I think and they changed the whole guts of the program, but not the name ) Nero AFAIK does not let you burn DVD+ as DVD-ROM although it says it does (for the bitsetting I referred to above). Recordnow does do it correctly so that's why I use it. Mr. Bass has a great site and also check out doom9.net

Oh, man! Thanks for the rundown. I am a clueless little bastard! I read a post or two mentioning bitsetting in the last week, but I don't know what it is beyond your mention of it (quoted above). I'm yet to burn my first DVD of any kind. Got a spindle of 25 8x nameless DVD+Rs, and am thinking of doing a data backup. Will want to make DVD copies of DVD movies real soon. I have some movies on my HD that I ripped with Smartripper 2.41 some time ago, maybe a year. If possible, I'd like to burn them to DVDs but don't know if that's feasible. Anyone? TIA.

Edit: OK, I guess what you are saying is that the hacked FW on your drive allows you to burn a DVD+ disk in such a way that older DVD players won't choke on them - they think they are DVD-Rs or actually "regular" DVDs, right? I guess that could be an issue for me with my Pioneer 106s internal DVD-Rom drive, if and when I reinistall it in my other PC, but my decks should read DVD+R media fine, AFAIK (Momitsu V880 and Philips 642).

I take it you're not using version 7 of Veritas Recordnow DX, then, but version 4.6. Now, if I'm not worried about my players playing DVD+ media, I guess I can just use Nero 6 Ultra, right? Thanks for the DVD decryptor idea. Need to use that before DVDshrink, eh?

Thanks also for the Mr. Bass link. Looks spot on!

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Muse
Buz2b says...

This might be a minor impact thing but it would be good to clear it up for us "dummies". LOL!!

You can only call me a dummie 5 more times....

Uh, did you manage to write your DVD-RW disk without setting the region?

FYI, I experienced no problems installing the drive on my Win2000 SP4 machine. Set the jumper for slave and have it as secondary slave along side my three 80 GB WD HDs.

Yes, I was able to write to a DVD-RW disk and didn't set the region. The only place I saw the remarks about region were in the system properties of the drive in Device Manager. Going back there just now it says I now have 4 changes left and it is set to region 1. Interesting, I guess it set things to region 1 automatically when I burned the two disks last night.

 

[Muse]

I don't see a region free hack for the 2510a or the 2500a, for that matter. I figure there will be one out there one day pretty soon.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Muse
I don't see a region free hack for the 2510a or the 2500a, for that matter. I figure there will be one out there one day pretty soon.

I found an interesting load of info on this site. I'm pretty sure there's a region-free firmware hack there but haven't had the time to explore and read all the necessary threads as yet. LMK if you find something sooner.