ICE dumping thousands of illegal kids in Arizona. abandoned without food and water

[shortylickens]

So, what do you want him to do in this situation?


1.) Work with Congress?
Republicans refuse to do an immigration bill. In fact the majority leader just los reelection because he suggested doing an Immigration Bill.

2.) Work with Supreme COurt?
How does a president work with the supreme court? What could the Supreme court even do? You do know how the Supreme Court works.

3.) Disobey the Law and Send the kids back with an Executive Order. I'm sure you'd want him impeached after that.

Pick one.

We dont need a new immigration bill. We need the executive branch to enforce the laws as written, since thats its purpose.

We dont need it to ignore the interpretation of current laws (judicial branch) and just do whatever it fuckin feels like cuz its headed by a coward and a lying hypocrite (the favored personality of liberals).

We dont need it to fight with the legislative branch so it has an excuse to do whatever it fuckin feels like, especially considering that same person was more than happy to support his little buddy Dubya in going to war then denouncing it as soon as he ran for office (senator, hypocrite, etc.)


Do you not read the news, ever?
Or do you just ignore it those one out of a hundred times it actually chooses to show the fucked up things Obama really does?

 

[Zaap]

We should send the bill for taking care of other nation's citizens to their country of origin.

If they cannot pay perhaps they own assets the US government could seize.

Best idea of the thread.

 

[emperus]

We dont need a new immigration bill. We need the executive branch to enforce the laws as written, since thats its purpose.

We dont need it to ignore the interpretation of current laws (judicial branch) and just do whatever it fuckin feels like cuz its headed by a coward and a lying hypocrite (the favored personality of liberals).

We dont need it to fight with the legislative branch so it has an excuse to do whatever it fuckin feels like, especially considering that same person was more than happy to support his little buddy Dubya in going to war then denouncing it as soon as he ran for office (senator, hypocrite, etc.)


Do you not read the news, ever?
Or do you just ignore it those one out of a hundred times it actually chooses to show the fucked up things Obama really does?

SO you do understand that these children are here because the law is working the way it was designed to?

 

[shortylickens]

Quite the coincidence that the Obama administration was soliciting bids from vendors for the transportation of 65,000 illegal immigrant children back in January. Yes, the law will not allow for deportations without some process for children that the regime solicited to come here - niiice. I'm not surprised that you're defending the actions of this administration to intentionally undermine a border already far from secured as well as burden the nation with billions of dollars of costs for this intentional violation of immigration law.

When given a choice between beer, billiards and the border, Obama chose beer and billiards. Viva la revolucion!

I dont think he's goofing off.

I think the guy is deliberately doing the wrong thing to see what he can get away with. Or he's desperate to appear tough and doesnt know what would impress the American public.

Also, since theres 12 million illegal aliens here, I'm not at all impressed with his token effort to get rid of tens of thousands.

My only problem is I honestly dont know who he thinks he's charming, cuz no one wants exactly what he's doing.
The illegal loving liberals cant be pleased, and the illegal hating conservatives probably dont care or arent impressed with him.

And the anchor baby vote?
Does he honestly think he's secured that for generations of Democrats to come? If he really believes he can anger those folks now, he must be crazy.

But I know he's not crazy. He's devious. If we dont understand him its cuz his master plan is too complex and long term.

 

[Sephire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivqo_ZHgq80

 

[trenchfoot]

8 years of Obama followed by 8 years of Clinton v.2.0. Howzzat for a horrific nightmare of epic fear and hate?

I am simply awestruck at the desperation and delirium being played out in this thread.

Some of you really have to take a step back, take a deep breath and....ehhh, never mind....I'd rather watch what happens after Hillary gets her second term and starts appointing USSC justices.

 

[ivwshane]

Quite the coincidence that the Obama administration was soliciting bids from vendors for the transportation of 65,000 illegal immigrant children back in January. Yes, the law will not allow for deportations without some process for children that the regime solicited to come here - niiice. I'm not surprised that you're defending the actions of this administration to intentionally undermine a border already far from secured as well as burden the nation with billions of dollars of costs for this intentional violation of immigration law.

When given a choice between beer, billiards and the border, Obama chose beer and billiards. Viva la revolucion!

Yep Obama was so smart he had bush sign a law so he could then, in the future some 6 years later, use to solicit foreigners to come here...because?

Go ahead and come up with yet another conspiracy theory to justify your current conspiracy. Oh and please be sure to link us to the youtube video and right wing websites that back up...rather, that you swallow hook, line, and sinker because you believe, really, really, believe them to be true!

I love it when you post! You automatically make everyone else in the thread look like geniuses!

 

[michal1980]

SO you do understand that these children are here because the law is working the way it was designed to?

no these kids are here because we have a president that doesn't enforce the boarder. And immigration law.

If a kid can cross the boarder then the boarder is not secure. When the president tells kids they wont get deported more come.

When you have a president that is now asking for 4 billion dollars to mainly care for these kids, it sends another signal to the world: send us your kids, the USA is now your orphanage.

 

[ivwshane]

no these kids are here because we have a president that doesn't enforce the boarder. And immigration law.

If a kid can cross the boarder then the boarder is not secure. When the president tells kids they wont get deported more come.

When you have a president that is now asking for 4 billion dollars to mainly care for these kids, it sends another signal to the world: send us your kids, the USA is now your orphanage.

Wait, so these kids are here because Obama doesn't enforce our border? Where exactly did they come from then? Did they pick these kids up in Kansas? Oklahoma? Sounds like the border is pretty well guarded, it's why we have these people in custody in the first place! Dumbass!

Could you be any dumber?! Don't answer that, I don't need to see you be even dumber! Way to one up boomerang on the stupidity front!

 

[Ns1]

Wait, so these kids are here because Obama doesn't enforce our border? Where exactly did they come from then? Did they pick these kids up in Kansas? Oklahoma? Sounds like the border is pretty well guarded, it's why we have these people in custody in the first place! Dumbass!

Could you be any dumber?! Don't answer that, I don't need to see you be even dumber! Way to one up boomerang on the stupidity front!

If the border was truly guarded, they would have never gotten PAST the border to be picked up into custody.

It seems the border is more "manned" than "guarded".

 

[boomerang]

I think the guy is deliberately doing the wrong thing to see what he can get away with.

No, not this. It's not for potential voters either. It's not to make his base happy. It's to collapse the system. Overload the support system in the U.S. to the point that it collapses upon itself so that it may be rebuilt in the progressive vision.

Politician's know how to stimulate job growth. They have done so many times before as the economy has ebbed and flowed. Why has Obama not taken any of those steps? Is it purely for ideological reasons? Is his hate for the capitalist system that great? If you listen to what he says you know the answers to these questions and more. He is fundamentally transforming the U.S. just as he told us he was going to do. He did not hide his intentions from us. He has a lot of support from the brainwashed masses who sense that they are not doing better but still believe that he is going to do things for them that he never actually promised and has no intention of doing. Equality on a worldwide scale is his goal. Our lifestyles must be diminished so that others in far off lands can have more. Bringing them here fits right into that agenda.

Do we let him continue or do we stop him? It may be the most important question of our lifetime and of our children's children's lifetime.

Read this paragraph taken slightly out of context or read the whole article. It's not the basis of my points but I ran across the article this morning.

Just to be sure we are on the same page (and so Dowd can’t wiggle out of this one), these policies are: big spending, big taxes, big regulations, big debt and big government. Those are the “Big Five” that murder the middle class all over the world. Add in free health care and income redistribution. They are all policies staunchly supported by Dowd, Obama, and leftists worldwide.

http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...roved-every-single-conservative-point-for-us/

As we know, the progz don't like people reading articles that might stimulate thought detrimental to their cause. The proof of that will follow here shortly.

 

[michal1980]

Wait, so these kids are here because Obama doesn't enforce our border? Where exactly did they come from then? Did they pick these kids up in Kansas? Oklahoma? Sounds like the border is pretty well guarded, it's why we have these people in custody in the first place! Dumbass!

Could you be any dumber?! Don't answer that, I don't need to see you be even dumber! Way to one up boomerang on the stupidity front!

LOL good your mom fell of the stupid tree when you were being born, out of a basement window.

If we had a secure border, the kids wouldn't get it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

TIL Since 1904, the Border Patrol has lost 119 officers in the line of duty, more than any other federal law enforcement agency during that time period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol

 

[zanejohnson]

what exactly do you people think would happen if we did, just start shooting people, trying to cross the border....

do you realize that we would in fact, effectively turn the entire world against us (more than it already is?)

imagine the rage you'd feel if your child was murdered... you would retaliate no?


the ignorance of some people astounds me... we're not Israel, Mexico isn't the Gaza strip. Furthermore, Mexico is our ally.


your mexican neighbors, WOULD, avenge the slaughter of the people of their heritage., because it would be genocide.

 

[emperus]

no these kids are here because we have a president that doesn't enforce the boarder. And immigration law.

If a kid can cross the boarder then the boarder is not secure. When the president tells kids they wont get deported more come.

When you have a president that is now asking for 4 billion dollars to mainly care for these kids, it sends another signal to the world: send us your kids, the USA is now your orphanage.

You do understand that the these kids aren't evading border patrol right? They are actually turning themselves in to the first border patrol agent they see. That is how the law is written. Once the kids turn themselves in they are guaranteed an ability to seek asylum.

There is no way that any enforcement could prevent this. Unless you build a huge wall at the border. Then what do you do about those that cross by river?

The US can only enforce the border at the US side of the border and by the time the children reach that point, the law kicks in.

Maybe you should do your research instead of sounding like a right wing hack.

 

[nehalem256]

SO you do understand that these children are here because the law is working the way it was designed to?

So you are saying the law was designed to encourage 10,000s of unaccompanied children to illegally come into the country?:hmm:

 

[Ns1]

You do understand that the these kids aren't evading border patrol right? They are actually turning themselves in to the first border patrol agent they see. That is how the law is written. Once the kids turn themselves in they are guaranteed an ability to seek asylum.

There is no way that any enforcement could prevent this. Unless you build a huge wall at the border. Then what do you do about those that cross by river?

The US can only enforce the border at the US side of the border and by the time the children reach that point, the law kicks in.

Maybe you should do your research instead of sounding like a right wing hack.

Bigger walls, towers with guns, alligators and gunships in the water - That is a guarded border.


To be clear I'm not saying it would be a good idea, I'm saying that would make the border more guarded.

See: Koreans + DMZ for an example of a guarded border.

 

[nehalem256]

what exactly do you people think would happen if we did, just start shooting people, trying to cross the border....

do you realize that we would in fact, effectively turn the entire world against us (more than it already is?)

imagine the rage you'd feel if your child was murdered... you would retaliate no?

the ignorance of some people astounds me... we're not Israel, Mexico isn't the Gaza strip. Furthermore, Mexico is our ally.

Castle Doctrine. Hence not murder.

your mexican neighbors, WOULD, avenge the slaughter of the people of their heritage., because it would be genocide.

Shooting people illegally invading your country is not genocide under any definition of genocide I have ever heard of.

Were the Polish, French, and Russians guilty of genocide against the Germans in WWII?

 

[emperus]

So you are saying the law was designed to encourage 10,000s of unaccompanied children to illegally come into the country?:hmm:

Again, you tell me if the law is written that way, what Obama can do? You do know how asylum works right?

It's easy to complain but more difficult to find a solution innit. That's why Obama has been trying to work with Mexico to prevent the smugglers from busing in these children and also to get the word out that most of these Children will be sent back and not be granted asylum to prevent more parents from sending their kids.

 

[emperus]

Bigger walls, towers with guns, alligators and gunships in the water - That is a guarded border.


To be clear I'm not saying it would be a good idea, I'm saying that would make the border more guarded.

See: Koreans + DMZ for an example of a guarded border.

It's not a good idea, but Obama should be doing it? Btw, where are all the towers with guns, alligators and gunships in the water from the last Republican president?

 

[Ns1]

It's not a good idea, but Obama should be doing it? Btw, where are all the towers with guns, alligators and gunships in the water from the last Republican president?

You're refuting a point I did not make.

My point is merely: the border is not guarded well.

 

[nehalem256]

Again, you tell me if the law is written that way, what Obama can do? You do know how asylum works right?

It's easy to complain but more difficult to find a solution innit. That's why Obama has been trying to work with Mexico to prevent the smugglers from busing in these children and also to get the word out that most of these Children will be sent back and not be granted asylum to prevent more parents from sending their kids.

Its actually pretty simple. Mexican children are essentially sent back already. It is only a problem if the come from other Central American countries.

So since they are crossing the Mexican border assume they are mexican unless they can provide legitimate documentation (like a passport ) that they are not Mexican. Wonder how many have passports?

 

[emperus]

Its actually pretty simple. Mexican children are essentially sent back already. It is only a problem if the come from other Central American countries.

So since they are crossing the Mexican border assume they are mexican unless they can provide legitimate documentation (like a passport ) that they are not Mexican. Wonder how many have passports?

Do you know how the law is written? I don't but I assume just claiming to be from Central America entitles them to a hearing to see if they will get asylum.

I would assume most people who are in danger don't stop by the passport office to take pictures.

But again, it all depends on how the law is written.

 

[nehalem256]

Do you know how the law is written? I don't but I assume just claiming to be from Central America entitles them to a hearing to see if they will get asylum.

I would assume most people who are in danger don't stop by the passport office to take pictures.

But again, it all depends on how the law is written.

I would assume it leaves it open for interpretation how to determine what country they were from.

Probably something like if the Border Guard "reasonably" believes the child is not from Mexico or some such.

Otherwise all the Mexican kids would just start claiming to be from Central America

 

[unokitty]

New York Times, June 22, 2012
Obama to Permit Young Migrants to Remain in U.S.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children will be allowed to remain in the country without fear of deportation and able to work, under an executive action the Obama administration announced on Friday.

Administration officials said the president used existing legal authority to make the broad policy change, which could temporarily benefit more than 800,000 young people. He did not consult with Congress, where Republicans have generally opposed measures to benefit illegal immigrants...

Under the change, the Department of Homeland Security will no longer initiate the deportation of illegal immigrants who came to the United States before age 16, have lived here for at least five years, and are in school, are high school graduates or are military veterans in good standing.

If Obama didn't need Congress then, why does he need them now?

If Obama didn't need 4 billion dollars the last time he told illegals that it was okay for them to stay, why does he need 4 billion dollars now?

If Obama needs the 4 billion dollars for the 'children', why is 49% designated for resettlement of entire family units, including adult men and women?

If you like paying 4 billion dollars for other people's children, you'll love having to keep paying for their housing, their schooling, their medical needs, their job training and for whatever else Obama can do for them with your money...

Uno