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Orignal Earl

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A nation building mission in Mexico would have been 20x as successful as our boondoggle in Afghanistan. Mexicans actually want to be like us, and share similar beliefs and values. We could have eradicated the drug cartels, built schools, hospitals, etc. instead of squandering those resources on people who hate us halfway around the world.

It would be far more accurate to say the people of Afghanistan do share our beliefs and values, and that you share the same ideology as the bad guys in Afghanistan
 

ivwshane

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A nation building mission in Mexico would have been 20x as successful as our boondoggle in Afghanistan. Mexicans actually want to be like us, and share similar beliefs and values. We could have eradicated the drug cartels, built schools, hospitals, etc. instead of squandering those resources on people who hate us halfway around the world.

Your idea has a resonance.

Mexico to be 51st State



Hola!

Uno

I'm all for it. The question is do most Mexicans feel the same way?
 
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Your idea has a resonance.

Mexico to be 51st State



Hola!

Uno

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michal1980

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What I am seeing on the news is a lot of children mostly, even a lot of small babies, that are traveling from Honduras, Guatemala and places other than just Mexico where the gang violence has reached a peak. The parents are saying they would rather risk their kids lives making the travel for their children to the US for asylum than have them killed on their door steps. They just showed about 30 children all in one jail cell crowded together on a floor with only a couple of open toilets, some were very dirty looking. There were no adults. They looked so scared. Most had their faces turned and many were only shown from their backs. I could see many little girls holding babies.

This is just heart breaking. There was some crowd of protesters yelling that these kids were human pieces of garbage and to throw them back.

These children have a right to due process of law. They also have a right to asylum. Honduras is one of the countries to my knowledge that is on the list of countries we give asylum to refugees. The definition of refugee status to my understanding can mean anything that threatens their life, such as a corrupt government that is killing their own people or even gang members that are killing the people. I need to go look it up but it is a pretty broad definition.

The truth of the matter is, in this country when we have dealt with refugee over flow before we didn't put them in prisons and jail cells like this. We only did that to the known criminals after we processed them. But we set up refugee camps. We are not allowed to just expedite a fast deportation process when they are asking for asylum. Also these children do not have legal representation. They have a right to legal representation. The ACLU just filed a class action lawsuit on this. https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/children-shouldnt-be-left-alone-immigration-court

I just think people are getting confused on who are illegal immigrants trying to come into the country illegally and who are seeking refuge.

In addition I really think American's have become really heartless. We have really lost all compassion.

we have enough hungry, poor, under/un educated, children that were born in America and/or are already legal US citizens that fuck tards like you don't care about. fuck tards like you that want to spend billions of dollars take care of the problems of 3rd world nations.

You'd rather care more about illegals, then us citizens.

The only right they should have, is safe passage back home. That's it. Its not our responsibility to be the dumping grounds for parents that don't want to fix their countries, and don't want to raise their kids.

How is getting tens of thousands of parentless/fatherless, un educated, kids good for America? How? Its not.

So stop with the emotionally arguments, and start to think logically. But you cant, because the only thing you have is emotional vomit.
 

Orignal Earl

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we have enough hungry, poor, under/un educated, children that were born in America and/or are already legal US citizens that fuck tards like you don't care about.

I'd swear everytime I mention those Americans, the right wingers tell me that's their choice to be poor and as such deserve it
 

chucky2

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I'd swear everytime I mention those Americans, the right wingers tell me that's their choice to be poor and as such deserve it

No no, we tell you it was overwhelmingly their parents bad decisions which led to having children in poverty. But then, none of that really matters. We simply do not need these kids. They can return to their country, or Mexico who allowed them to end up here, and cease to be our problem.
 

Orignal Earl

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No no, we tell you it was overwhelmingly their parents bad decisions which led to having children in poverty. But then, none of that really matters. We simply do not need these kids. They can return to their country, or Mexico who allowed them to end up here, and cease to be our problem.

Ok, the right wingers are the ones that say poor people make bad decisions and therefore deserve it.
I still don't see Oldgamer as a fuck tard who don't care.
 

chucky2

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Ok, the right wingers are the ones that say poor people make bad decisions and therefore deserve it.
I still don't see Oldgamer as a fuck tard who don't care.

Think of it less as deserving it and much more as living with the consequences of your decisions, and very often, bad decisions made again and again.
 

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In addition I really think American's have become really heartless. We have really lost all compassion.

The hatred of minorities is directly proportional to the social and economic decline of a society. They make for easy scapegoats
 

Jaskalas

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On the subject of being a refugee camp nation, I don't want to see the United States reach 400 million in population. I don't expect it'd be healthy for the distribution of land and resources.

Thoughts? Certainly environmentalists would agree with me...
 

Orignal Earl

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On the subject of being a refugee camp nation, I don't want to see the United States reach 400 million in population. I don't expect it'd be healthy for the distribution of land and resources.

Thoughts? Certainly environmentalists would agree with me...

If the entire worlds population stood shoulder to shoulder it would fill a city the size of LA
 

Ns1

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On the subject of being a refugee camp nation, I don't want to see the United States reach 400 million in population. I don't expect it'd be healthy for the distribution of land and resources.

Thoughts? Certainly environmentalists would agree with me...

Most certainly not if that influx is lower skilled illegals.
 

Jaskalas

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If the entire worlds population stood shoulder to shoulder it would fill a city the size of LA

Los Angeles, bad choice. They'd all die of thirst.

Also in your example is the inherent loss of quality of life. Are we farm animals at the trough, to be fit into a pen or a canned like sardines? Perhaps we need some room to breath, to work, to play. Maybe some green patches of land should still exist and the only thing more of us are going to do is ruin it faster.

Maybe I don't want to live like those people in refugee camps.
 

Zebo

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A nation building mission in Mexico would have been 20x as successful as our boondoggle in Afghanistan. Mexicans actually want to be like us, and share similar beliefs and values. We could have eradicated the drug cartels, built schools, hospitals, etc. instead of squandering those resources on people who hate us halfway around the world.

Depends who's doing the rebuilding. Mexico is a University of Chicago low taxes laissez faire right wing paradise already.

I've thought about retiring there. Have basically a few house slaves for $1000 mo with no rights. Safe city on the beach house for 200K. But my conscious wont let me.
 
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Zebo

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Los Angeles, bad choice. They'd all die of thirst.

Also in your example is the inherent loss of quality of life. Are we farm animals at the trough, to be fit into a pen or a canned like sardines? Perhaps we need some room to breath, to work, to play. Maybe some green patches of land should still exist and the only thing more of us are going to do is ruin it faster.

Maybe I don't want to live like those people in refugee camps.

Move to midwest or Maine. I've driven 4 hours and not seen a person before in Maine. It's like Canada but warmer lol
 
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Orignal Earl

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Los Angeles, bad choice. They'd all die of thirst.

Also in your example is the inherent loss of quality of life. Are we farm animals at the trough, to be fit into a pen or a canned like sardines? Perhaps we need some room to breath, to work, to play. Maybe some green patches of land should still exist and the only thing more of us are going to do is ruin it faster.

Maybe I don't want to live like those people in refugee camps.

I was just trying to add some perspective, I was not advocating everyone living shoulder to shoulder.
You've got lot's of room left, you are probably living very comfortably in a place with a pop density 10 times greater then I am.
The US actually has been very wise in regard to it's conversation and environment.
Just make sure to vote against those who interests involve ruining that
 

Orignal Earl

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Your right, It's 58 F here right now and 60 F in Bangor

For a little more perspective check out this map, also 72% of Canadians live south of the 49th parallel
On the other hand it is often colder where I live then in Nome at the same time

 
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