ICE dumping thousands of illegal kids in Arizona. abandoned without food and water

[nehalem256]

The reason people choose to do it illegally is because the process is overly compicated and drawn out. The fact we have millions of people doing this should be our first clue immigration reform is badly needed.

Or the reason it is overly complicated is due to the millions of people breaking the law.

Vigoriously enforcing a 2000 mile long border. Please let us know how many trillions you plan to spend on doing that. Im sure it will be a worthy adventure. Much like the war on drugs.

You act as if if we don't catch everyone immediately as they cross we are failing. A sane immigration policy would focus as much as making those in the country illegally uncomfortable.

For example if you drive around the country in a van that has your illegal status painted on the side you get deported. If you show up in court claiming to be an illegal immigrant you get deported. If you show up at a congressional office claiming to be illegal you get deported.

If you make it so no one would sensibly want to be an illegal immigrant then the problem solves itself.

 

[Genx87]

Or the reason it is overly complicated is due to the millions of people breaking the law.

That doesnt make sense.

You act as if if we don't catch everyone immediately as they cross we are failing. A sane immigration policy would focus as much as making those in the country illegally uncomfortable.

In what way do we make being an illegal immigrant comfortable? If it were comfortable they wouldn't hide underground.

For example if you drive around the country in a van that has your illegal status painted on the side you get deported. If you show up in court claiming to be an illegal immigrant you get deported. If you show up at a congressional office claiming to be illegal you get deported.

If you make it so no one would sensibly want to be an illegal immigrant then the problem solves itself.

Because clearly that very policy is working so well. What is the estimate now? 20 million undocumented immigrants in this country?

 

[michal1980]

The reason people choose to do it illegally is because the process is overly compicated and drawn out. The fact we have millions of people doing this should be our first clue immigration reform is badly needed.



Vigoriously enforcing a 2000 mile long border. Please let us know how many trillions you plan to spend on doing that. Im sure it will be a worthy adventure. Much like the war on drugs.

Our border is so secure 10 year olds can cross it.


In my book that doesn't even register as trying to enforce the border.

 

[shira]

What exactly is wrong with you? If you don't know, consider finding out.

Nehalem has already responded that abandoning them unattended is just fine with him, and you yourself clearly thought that the only problem with such abandonment is that it shouldn't be done from a moving vehicle. So why don't you say exactly what your point is, rather than continuing to mouth vague shit.

 

[Genx87]

Our border is so secure 10 year olds can cross it.


In my book that doesn't even register as trying to enforce the border.

And?

 

[nehalem256]

Nehalem has already responded that abandoning them unattended is just fine with him, and you yourself clearly thought that the only problem with such abandonment is that it shouldn't be done from a moving vehicle. So why don't you say exactly what your point is, rather than continuing to mouth vague shit.

They were able to trek across Mexico unattended.

Seems to me like they are better able to take care of themselves than many American adults.

 

[shira]

They were able to trek across Mexico unattended.

Seems to me like they are better able to take care of themselves than many American adults.

So you approve of abandoning underage children to fend for themselves.

Glad we cleared that up.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Nehalem has already responded that abandoning them unattended is just fine with him, and you yourself clearly thought that the only problem with such abandonment is that it shouldn't be done from a moving vehicle. So why don't you say exactly what your point is, rather than continuing to mouth vague shit.

Playing devils advocate ---Did they not cross into America with nothing and unattended.....

 

[michal1980]

And?

Your the guy saying its hard to vigorously protect our border. When reality is were not protecting it at all.


Or are you like the other nutso that thinks we should have open borders and let everyone in?

 

[Zaap]

The left exploiting children again to push a political agenda. Encourage people to send their kids to the US so you can use them as political pawns to push amnesty.... even as you whine at others about what to do with the kids that left-loon policies encourage to trek here.

So what else is new?

 

[michal1980]

So you approve of abandoning underage children to fend for themselves.

Glad we cleared that up.

If they made it here, they can make it back.


Are we supposed to provide welfare to all of the worlds kids now too?

 

[shira]

Or the reason it is overly complicated is due to the millions of people breaking the law.



You act as if if we don't catch everyone immediately as they cross we are failing. A sane immigration policy would focus as much as making those in the country illegally uncomfortable.

For example if you drive around the country in a van that has your illegal status painted on the side you get deported. If you show up in court claiming to be an illegal immigrant you get deported. If you show up at a congressional office claiming to be illegal you get deported.

If you make it so no one would sensibly want to be an illegal immigrant then the problem solves itself.

What problem? Why are you saying that the illegal-immigrant population in the U.S. is a problem? Their illegal status is obviously a problem for them, but why are you saying it's a problem for the U.S.? Other than right-wing demagogues screaming that illegal immigrants are terrible - TERRIBLE!, I see no problem.

 

[chucky2]

So you approve of abandoning underage children to fend for themselves.

Glad we cleared that up.

I'm not sure why you're saying anyone is saying to abandon them. Deliver them right back across the border with a water bottle and a burrito after informing the Mexican ambassador to the US you'll be doing so the next day. Abandoning not found. Mexico wants to allow every 3rd worlder who can make it here through Mexico our problem. Just make them Mexico's problem again. If we actually enforced our border, this wouldn't even be an issue, as illegal invasion rates would go down once word spread the US isn't F'ing around anymore. We can't enforce our own border, with a massive yearly Defense budget....why again?

 

[chucky2]

What problem? Why are you saying that the illegal-immigrant population in the U.S. is a problem? Their illegal status is obviously a problem for them, but why are you saying it's a problem for the U.S.? Other than right-wing demagogues screaming that illegal immigrants are terrible - TERRIBLE!, I see no problem.

Cool, post your home address up, I'll spend some of my free time posting to pro-illegal invader groups that you want your house to be a shelter for them. Step right up, directly take responsibility for what you're wanting. Waiting for the Warren Buffet like excuses in 3, 2, ...

 

[Genx87]

Cool, post your home address up, I'll spend some of my free time posting to pro-illegal invader groups that you want your house to be a shelter for them. Step right up, directly take responsibility for what you're wanting. Waiting for the Warren Buffet like excuses in 3, 2, ...

Just as soon as you build a border that cant be crossed with armed guards around yours.

 

[nehalem256]

What problem? Why are you saying that the illegal-immigrant population in the U.S. is a problem? Their illegal status is obviously a problem for them, but why are you saying it's a problem for the U.S.? Other than right-wing demagogues screaming that illegal immigrants are terrible - TERRIBLE!, I see no problem.

So you are saying that the US has a surplus of employment opportunities?:hmm:

 

[Genx87]

So you are saying that the US has a surplus of employment opportunities?:hmm:

And you believe having illegals working under the radar for less than min wage helps employment of legal citizens?

 

[chucky2]

Just as soon as you build a border that cant be crossed with armed guards around yours.

We should have that already, it's called the US / Mexican border. It's why we spend $500B+ on Defense each and every year, to have the most sophisticated Intelligence and Military on the planet, that cannot apparently be used to track down mass amounts of people invading our own country.

Your rebuttal doesn't even make sense btw. I'm not the one wanting mass illegal invasion, you guys are. Since you're so fond of it, you obviously should be willing to support your policy. There's not a problem right? You are on-board with providing a haven for these poor helpless needy illegals, are you not? What better place than your own home?

 

[JEDIYoda]

If they made it here, they can make it back.


Are we supposed to provide welfare to all of the worlds kids now too?

Exactly..

 

[Genx87]

We should have that already, it's called the US / Mexican border. It's why we spend $500B+ on Defense each and every year, to have the most sophisticated Intelligence and Military on the planet, that cannot apparently be used to track down mass amounts of people invading our own country.

Your rebuttal doesn't even make sense btw. I'm not the one wanting mass illegal invasion, you guys are. Since you're so fond of it, you obviously should be willing to support your policy. There's not a problem right? You are on-board with providing a haven for these poor helpless needy illegals, are you not? What better place than your own home?

You want a big ole wall built with armed guards on it on our southern border. So while you tell people who want immigration reform to take place to open up their houses to these people. I think you should put up or shut up and build a giant wall around your house to keep people out. And place armed guards on it to scare away anybody thinking about coming into your perimeter.

 

[chucky2]

And you believe having illegals working under the radar for less than min wage helps employment of legal citizens?

The better question would be, Do you believe allowing tens of Millions of illegals into the country helps the poor/lower class we have to support with our social services programs, since the illegals are directly taking jobs from them? Does it help our blue collar middle class workers? What is the advantage to a US citizen who could clean, cook, mow lawns, be a mechanic, work in the trades, to allow tens of Millions of competitors into the country to compete with them?

It costs around $16k, each year, to send a kid through my local high school - and it ain't no high end high school. All the kids the illegal invaders bring with them, and/or have here, all the medical services, the food services, the housing services, etc., the ones that even if they were legal, they wouldn't be paying for (and they're not legal, so, damn sure they ain't paying for them), exactly who is paying for them again? Why do we need that extra tens of Millions of load onto our society?

I've yet to hear a reason yet, save for targeted 'work in the fields' work that has for decades been done by migrant workers, that we need to inherit tens of Millions of extra people. So far it's bleeding heart and PC 'racist!' BS. Has anyone cooked up a legit reason yet?

 

[Pneumothorax]

Yes I mean that. Instead of these people becoming citizens and part of the country. We force them underground and they work under the radar. They arent as productive as they could be because we would rather spend a lot of money rounding them up and sending them back only to repeat it at some point in the future. Imagine if we had a sane immigration policy that would document these people and get them to be part of this country? This story wouldn't happen.

But when does it stop? We tried this before in the Reagan years and the problem went from several million to 12 million. So we grant amnesty to the 12+ million now and wait for the 48 million that are coming in 20 years? The BS has to somehow come to an end. The current POTUS running around shouting for 'reform' and promising to 'enforce' whatever 'new immigration reform law' that passes his desk really has a credibility problem as the laws he chooses to enforce can vary from day to day.

 

[nixium]

I've been here 14 years and you arrogant condescending liberals would weep at the hoops I've had to jump through to be here legally. And I have education, make a ton of cash and pay a ton in taxes and have a squeaky clean record. Guess what? It'll take me 10 more years to be a citizen the legal way, and I have to jump through every irrational big government hoop along the way. There's been more cash spent on this process than what some good cars cost. And more to come. Why? Because my country of origin is the wrong one - something employers are banned from discriminating against.

Hey your country, your rules. It's a great country, and I've been very successful. I don't like the rules but guess what its not my country. And I can even ask for them to be changed.

But then you D-bag liberals turn around, ignore me and all the others waiting for years and years to do it the right way, and welcome people who totally skip the hurdles and make it across the border, and welcome them and give them benefits.

Oh right, children, the poor things. Except it I brought a child from overseas, they don't get any benefits while I pay taxes. And guess what? If the child hits 21 before I get a green card, they need a visa to stay on. No convenient employment authorization that can be renewed ad infinitum. Where are your bleeding hearts now? Oh that's right, you can't feel smug and happy sipping your lattes that you helped an "unfortunate" other because the parents of these immigrants actually make a ton of cash and are successful, and won't let you patronize them.

So you know what, fuck you, and fuck your fake concern for immigrants. There's no genuine compassion here, just condescension. At least the extreme right wing is openly hostile, and we know where they stand.

 

[chucky2]

You want a big ole wall built with armed guards on it on our southern border. So while you tell people who want immigration reform to take place to open up their houses to these people. I think you should put up or shut up and build a giant wall around your house to keep people out. And place armed guards on it to scare away anybody thinking about coming into your perimeter.

But I don't want them just not in my house, I don't want illegals in my country. Contrast that with you guys, who want Open Borders. I'm merely giving you the opportunity to step up, take direct ownership of your desire. Clearly there are tens of Millions of them here, so you have ample opportunity to shelter and have direct contact with them, to help them, aid them, have them living right by you. Heck, your kids don't need separate bedrooms, put your kids in one room and move an illegal familia in. You are so gung ho to go F others by letting them deal with loss of job, loss of wages, increased competition (everyone cannot be a white collar professional), own your want. I cannot believe the lack of Open Border types not stepping up, my god, this is a humanitarian issue! Do you really need to have your entire house to yourself?! This is...this is starting to sound like the Warren Buffet 'rich need to pay more taxes...but I won't voluntarily pay more taxes even though I easily could' deal. Or more recently that rich guy who wanted to open up housing in Richville and the rich liberals there went apeshit. I guess the Bleeding Heart doesn't quite extend to the home front, just someone other persons home front, funny that...

P.S. I wouldn't use a wall for the entire border. I'd use technology, military capability (including lethal), and a public relations campaign in other countries to get the word out that illegally crossing the US border is now highly likely lethal. Might take a couple thousand but eventually, the flow would largely stop. Just need political will to accomplish it. Can't have that though. The far right is exploiting that shit for all its worth for the illegal labor and depressed wages for legals. The left is exploiting that shit for all its worth for the votes and base excitement (got to keep the Bleeding Hearts bleeding). The status quo is best we can hope for...

 

[Pneumothorax]

I've been here 14 years and you arrogant condescending liberals would weep at the hoops I've had to jump through to be here legally. And I have education, make a ton of cash and pay a ton in taxes and have a squeaky clean record. Guess what? It'll take me 10 more years to be a citizen the legal way, and I have to jump through every irrational big government hoop along the way. There's been more cash spent on this process than what some good cars cost. And more to come. Why? Because my country of origin is the wrong one - something employers are banned from discriminating against.
...... There's no genuine compassion here, just condescension. At least the right wing is openly hostile, and we know where they stand.

I'm pro LEGAL immigration all day long, in fact I want the BS cleaned up and sped up. I also want future successful citizens like you welcomed with huge open arms. What I don't understand is the libbies are hell-bent on importing uneducated poverty...