Ideas on home server...

dartworth

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I am looking to build a file server to use at home. The primary usage will be for streaming media to various WMC2005 boxes throughout the house. It will also be used as a backup solution and file repository.

I currently have set aside 5 hard drives to use in the box. All drives are SATA

1 X 250GB
1 X 300GB
2 X 320GB
1 X 400GB

I wasn't planning on using any RAID.

I would like to build something that is energy efficient if possible.

Maybe a mobile processor? No need for a powerful CPU or lots of RAM.

Just wondering if anyone has built something similar...

Ideas on mobo and CPU?

TIA
 

Texun

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I'm also curious to see what others are using so I will offer a response which can double as a bump.

I've tried what you have planned and always ended up wanting more power, which made my cheap rig eventually cost twice as much in the end. I started with leftovers from a P3 and quickly moved to a S754 Gigabyte and a Sempron 3400 with a gig of RAM. It works great, runs quiet with low RPM fans and and stays very cool. I built mine about 2 years ago and I am very satisfied with it as a file\media box, but I would no longer suggest building one unless you are okay with a dead end socket.

What's your budget? Mobile CPUs may be energy efficient but they won't be very cheap. If you want cool and cheap, NE has the S754 Venice 3200 \ Biostar MoBo combo for $80. Since you have 5 drives you would need add an SATA controller card. That's another $25-$30 so you're looking at around $110 plus HS and memory.

 

dartworth

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Texun...thats not a bad choice...

that CPU is 58 watts...the lowest I've seen on NewEgg's site
 

bob4432

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i am in the process of moving my home server/backup machine to a bit faster machine (honestly, i just wanted to build a new machine...) and was using a xp2000 and looked for a xp-m 35W 2400 for about a year for a decent price - less than $50 but couldn't find one. in addittion to backups, the machine will also handle multiple http/http-ssl sites, ftp/ftp-ssl transfers, mysql, php and whatever needs i have. i have a few sites that are more just for friends so we can all communicate at a certain place and not worry about emailing when stuff is going on. the ftp items are needed by my wife when she is doing business on the laptop - this way she will have access to any file she doesn't have but doesn't need to worry about having the laptop filled w/ tons of sensitive data in case of theft. we have a cingular wireless card for it that get ~ 50-100KB/s, and we are connected via a 12/1Mb/s cable connection at the condo. figuring that the files she needs are never more than 50MB, she can have them in 10mins or less.

so i picked up a new m/b that is pci-e (16x, 4x & 1x), 4x sata and is a nf4 m/b since the old m/b didn't have sata at all or pci-e. wouldn't you know it as soon as i found the m/b & and got an excellent deal on the 3000venice i am i see a xp-m 35W 2400 for $25...typical.

anyway here is the rest of the deal/plan - 3x500GB in a raid 5 array w/ a highpoint 2310 (i think that is the model #) pci-e4x card, a main hdd somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-120GB (basically whatever is left over from other rigs i have around here), a pci gpu and am going to use a zalman hsf for the cpu and will probably switch the nf4 mcp to a passive zalman hs because a lot of sound does come from that little ass fan.

i picked up a ultra case that was ~$7 ar & tax, and am into this build for ~$75 out of pocket between the m/b, cpu, case, hsf and a fsp ~80% 300W psu. i still need to find a deal on the pci-e raid card and pick up 2x 500GB hdds and i will be done. in the mean time i need to mod the case and make room for a 120mm fan up front and cut the grille out of the back of the case. that should move enough air and i will have active cooling on all the hddds.

this setup gives me GbE speeds for my acronis backups and 1TB of semi redundant data (i know raid 5 is parity, but i don't see 3hdds failing at once - 2 for the raid and then the original).

my goal is to not put out more than ~$250 more for the hdds and card, so i am waiting for the 1TB hdds to come out and hopefully the 500GB will drop quite a bit in price.

all onboard items not needed will be shut off.

just keep a eye open for good deals and even to a wtb in the fs/ft section as there are many 3000s out there that people are now moving away from going to dcs, so they are cheap

when i build a new main rig, i will put my x2 3800 in the machine, not that it is needed though.
 

Texun

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Texun...thats not a bad choice...

that CPU is 58 watts...the lowest I've seen on NewEgg's site

You would have a hard time finding anyone to even mention S754, but I didn't buy mine with any plan to upgrade since the price point fit my objective very well at the time. I wanted to reach a sweet spot between cheap to build and cheap to operate. Mobile CPUs tilted that a bit more than I wanted so I settled for the Sempron.

FWIW, I later built another S754 using an MSI board and video capture card. I used the 3200 Venice shown at NE and have never regretted the move - not for the price.
 

BurnItDwn

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My home file server is an old Dell 600sc that I got back when the 120GB drives were new. (there was a hot deal a long time ago to get the server with a pair of 120GB drives for like $350.)

it has a 1.8ghz Celeron CPU, which is far from fast, but much faster than it needs to be.
I pulled it out of the old dell case and stuck it in a 14 bay Chieftec case I had (after I had upgraded my gaming system to an Antec P180.
It's got 6 hard drives, 384mb of ram, integrated graphics, integrated gigabit ethernet (connected to my internal network), and 100mbit ethernet (external interface.)
I'm sure you could achieve better power efficiency with slower or mobile type CPUs ... but this one doesn't seem to draw much power.
 

dartworth

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Yeah, I have thought of using an older Celeron or AMD Duron too...

I'm just curious as to what other people are using...
 

RebateMonger

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Once you pick some hardware, the simplest solution is likely going to be Windows Home Server, which would meet your needs and should be available in an OEM version so you can build your own. It has redundant storage and the ability to keep all your PCs backed up constantly. Home Server will take all your SATA drives and automatically add them to a redundant storage area.

No definite date for release yet, though. MS says "second half of 2007".

Hardware needs shouldn't be high. It's based on Server 2003, which will run on a low-end Pentium 2 or 3.
 

dartworth

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Yes, I've been reading more about WHS. I'll probably just wait till it arrives to pursue this...
 

Emission

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850 - 1.2 GHz P3's get this job done, but seeing as cheap and powerful celeron's and P4's are in the market, I'm not sure you'd want an older one. A 2 to 3 GHz Celeron can be had for less than $60 and provided that its 65nm, would be pretty efficient. Other than that, you can buy something along the lines of a S754 3000+ or 3200+ and undervolt/underclock it to 1 GHz @ 1.00v for a highly efficient and pretty powerful box.
 

Texun

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Originally posted by: Emission
850 - 1.2 GHz P3's get this job done, but seeing as cheap and powerful celeron's and P4's are in the market, I'm not sure you'd want an older one. A 2 to 3 GHz Celeron can be had for less than $60 and provided that its 65nm, would be pretty efficient. Other than that, you can buy something along the lines of a S754 3000+ or 3200+ and undervolt/underclock it to 1 GHz @ 1.00v for a highly efficient and pretty powerful box.

The 3200 is supposed to have Cool-n-Quiet but I never messed with it long enough to make it work. My FX-55 does it well but I don't remember doing anything special to enable it, other than setting it to "minimal" under the Display Settings. It idles at 1200 and 1.13v and stays in the 20C range unless I start working it.
 

Nohr

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I'm using an Athlon Thunderbird 1GHz, it's just hand-me-down hardware. Works fine for my needs: FTP, WWW, file server, etc.
 

RebateMonger

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Don't forget that the "greenest" solution would be to buy a banjo and some sockpuppets and keep yourself entertained.
 

BoberFett

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Forget using these high powered 1Ghz+ CPUs. If all it's doing is serving files which requires almost no CPU power, you can get away with a first or second generation Celeron. I have a Celeron 400 with 160MB RAM as a file server and it has no problem whatsoever. According to this site the max dissipation of that CPU is 23.7w.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Celeron/I...80524P400128%20(B80524P400%20128).html

That's less than modern mobile processors. According to that same site, the original Celeron 266 had a max dissipation of 16w, and I'm sure that would handle file serving duties just as well. You can probably get most of the hardware for free. Just throw in an SATA controller and a NIC and you're done. With the junk I had gathering dust around the house (case, mobo, PSU, CPU, RAM, NICs) I built my file server for almost nothing. A $15 4 port SATA card from Newegg and I bought the drives. It only has a 10/100 NIC, but I haven't upgraded my LAN to Gbit yet, that's the only thing I could want.
 

frostedflakes

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Yeah you don't really need a lot of power for fileserving, but low-end S754 parts are so cheap nowadays and when undervolted should be very power efficient. If possible see if you can grab something old for free/cheap, but if all else fails I wouldn't think you'd have much trouble finding a Sempron, cheap motherboard, and a bit of DDR on the forums of eBay for <$100. A 90nm Sempron at 800MHz 0.8V should be more than enough for file serving and will have a max power consumption of like 5w, typical power consumption of probably a few watts. The desktop Semprons may not go that low, but even at 0.9V or 1.0V it is going to be using very little power.
 

Cogman

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personally, for a file server, I would go with AMD, specifically the Sempron 64 3100+ S754, its $30, has cool 'n quiet and 64 bit operation, it should be plenty fast (TDP is 62W but with cool 'n quiet it will ramp itself down to ~20W when not in use). if you go with semperon, make sure it is a 3000+ or more model as those are the ones with cool n' quiet capabilities.

 
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Originally posted by: Kilrsat
I went with a Via C7 1.3Ghz (rated at 12W) and the optional gigabit interface. It has a single PCI slot so you can add an extra SATA controller, but other than that everything you need is built in. It has substantially reduced the temperature of the closet it is stored in compared to the old Athlon 1.2Ghz it replaced.

http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/78_93/products_id/541

THANK YOU. I can't believe this thread went this long without someone mentioning VIA. They might be poor at FPU performance, but they use hardly any power.

Here's one that someone made with a six-drive setup (in RAID5, I think) into an old drive cabinet: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/tera-itx/
You might need to use a riser board if you use an ITX board though.

- M4H
 

frostedflakes

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Yeah I didn't even think about that, a Via board would be a good choice. I wouldn't bother with a mini-ITX board, though, they are all so expensive. See if you can find a C3 or C7 board that is flexATX, microATX, or ATX.

Here's a similar project that I always thought was really cool.

Link

EDIT: PC Chips V21G 1.0C

Via C7, flexATX, $66 shipped. Looks like it'd be an awesome board for file server, just add an SATA card and ethernet card if you want GbE.
 

SpeedEng66

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for me im using a pentium m for file serve/media center

yes it cost alot at first but for a pc to be on 24/7, it pays for itself in a year.

use to have a pentium 3 700 for file server and that was plenty for sharing to 3 laptops

another option is a nas I seen some with space for up to 4 hds for less than $200
some use low power procs (via's itx board/risc procs)
 

Emission

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VIA is fairly overpriced for what you get. A sempron downclocked to even 800 MHz would run cooler and be more powerful than that Celeron 400, so the options are weigh-able. I used ot have a Pentium II 350 with a TDP of 18W, it had a giant HSF that was barely warm to the touch at full load, without a fan on it. It was fairly useful but more could be had for this power-usage level. I personally find that, whenever you pick up old hardware to give it a use, you end up wanting more power, which is why I recommend a cheap S754, or if you've got a few more dollars, AM2 (Since you can upgrade this to whatever in the future.)
 

bob4432

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Originally posted by: bX510
Hey, I was reading this site that frostedflakes posted. http://www.mashie.org/casemods/udat2.html

What did he cut out in the 4th picture? How can you do that?

edit: where can i find the swappable drive? the exact same one.

First mod victim for this project, an Epia M-10000 board that had a slightly to tall audio connector. It had to meet a violent death but the motherboard survived the plier attack
 

SuperNaruto

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If you want energy efficient get 1 large drive instead of several small ones... better off getting 2 hitachi 1tb drives..

all depends on how much your bill are..
 
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