IDF 2006 - Conroe Merom and Woodcrest info

[Tangerines]

Wow! I am really impressed with Conroe's performance.

 

[dexvx]

The Energy per Instruction graph is kind of misleading.

If you cherry pick the Pentium series, it's linearly downward. Note the 6 year gap between the Pentium Pro / 2001 Pentium 4. Then there's the 4 year gap between the Pentium-4 (2001) to the Pentim-4 (2005).

Moreover, I think even if you do compare the 10W Pentium Classic to a 130W Single-Core Prescott, I am undoubtedly sure that the Prescott will do way more than 13X the work of a Pentium Classic.

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Anyways, I dont see what the surprise is. If Yonah was unchanged except for the additionn of a 4issue wide (versus 3 currently), in theory it should net roughly a 25% performance per clock advantage.

 

[robertk2012]

This should help out apple and dells stock too since they both will be selling only intel stuff.

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Those benchmarks lack a certain plausibility. Something smells very rotten. Wait until Anand gets his own system he can play with more than an hour and take apart/check the system clock.

You sir are an idiot. Yeah thats all I have to say. I normally dont make comments like that.....but just this one time I am.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: glugglug
Those benchmarks lack a certain plausibility. Something smells very rotten. Wait until Anand gets his own system he can play with more than an hour and take apart/check the system clock.

Learn to Read, from Anand himself:

As far as we could tell, there was nothing fishy going on with the benchmarks or the install. Both systems were clean and used the latest versions of all of the drivers (the ATI graphics driver was modified to recognize the Conroe CPU but that driver was loaded on both AMD and Intel systems).

 

[kknd1967]

Now only need to wait for power consumption figures.
If Conroe has indepdent power management for each core like Yonah, that would be amazing

 

[Stoneburner]

If these benchmarks hold, intel isn't just back in the game but stomped AMD. WHy would amd allow this to happen? At the very least they could just disclose information about 2007 chips.

 

[evenmore1]

Wow! Finally a good blow from the Intel side!
But I'm gonna have to wait even longer to upgrade my PC
But good things come to those who wait, so I guess I'll wait another year to see AMD's response

 

[kknd1967]

they don't even officially allow messing around with their AM2 demos
not to mention 2007 chips
I feel AMD does not have as much confidence with AM2 as they had with S939 CPUs

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
If these benchmarks hold, intel isn't just back in the game but stomped AMD. WHy would amd allow this to happen? At the very least they could just disclose information about 2007 chips.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: glugglug
Those benchmarks lack a certain plausibility. Something smells very rotten. Wait until Anand gets his own system he can play with more than an hour and take apart/check the system clock.

Learn to Read, from Anand himself:

As far as we could tell, there was nothing fishy going on with the benchmarks or the install. Both systems were clean and used the latest versions of all of the drivers (the ATI graphics driver was modified to recognize the Conroe CPU but that driver was loaded on both AMD and Intel systems).

That could easily explain it, by itself...... eventually Anand will get to test one of those systems more at leisure, and replace the video card. It smells like the special ATI driver is automatically sacrificing image quality, especially when those benchmarks are run. With only an hour to use the systems, they probably didn't have time to compare screen caps.

 

[Cooler]

This is what happen when poke sleeping giant. With Intel huge R&D budget I expected something like this.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: kknd1967
they don't even officially allow messing around with their AM2 demos
not to mention 2007 chips
I feel AMD does not have as much confidence with AM2 as they had with S939 CPUs

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
If these benchmarks hold, intel isn't just back in the game but stomped AMD. WHy would amd allow this to happen? At the very least they could just disclose information about 2007 chips.

AM2 doesn't seem like much and AMD isn't advertising it as much. And AMD never seems to allow people to get previews like intel did today. Remember when the a64 launched 2.5 years ago? No numbers until the official launch, pure speculation until then.

Anyway, AMD needs to work on its business method.

 

[kknd1967]

so ATI = another Skype

Originally posted by: glugglug

That could easily explain it, by itself...... eventually Anand will get to test one of those systems more at leisure, and replace the video card. It smells like the special ATI driver is automatically sacrificing image quality, especially when those benchmarks are run. With only an hour to use the systems, they probably didn't have time to compare screen caps.

 

[dmens]

Screwing with benchmarks in a public demo is beyond pointless. When the real deal rolls out, it will be laid bare for all to see.

 

[FelixDeCat]

:music: THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN :music:

Im definately buying this. Definately.

(And to think I *almost* went AMD - that was a close one!) :shocked:

 

[MDme]

Anand said:

As far as we could tell, there was nothing fishy going on with the benchmarks or the install. Both systems were clean and used the latest versions of all of the drivers (the ATI graphics driver was modified to recognize the Conroe CPU but that driver was loaded on both AMD and Intel systems).

Comment:

What if the modified ATI driver had crippled performance on AMD systems?

Honestly though, It doesn't look good for AMD with this much performance gap from a system 6 months away.

only time will tell. let's get the real reviews out.

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: glugglug
Those benchmarks lack a certain plausibility. Something smells very rotten. Wait until Anand gets his own system he can play with more than an hour and take apart/check the system clock.

Learn to Read, from Anand himself:

As far as we could tell, there was nothing fishy going on with the benchmarks or the install. Both systems were clean and used the latest versions of all of the drivers (the ATI graphics driver was modified to recognize the Conroe CPU but that driver was loaded on both AMD and Intel systems).

That could easily explain it, by itself...... eventually Anand will get to test one of those systems more at leisure, and replace the video card. It smells like the special ATI driver is automatically sacrificing image quality, especially when those benchmarks are run. With only an hour to use the systems, they probably didn't have time to compare screen caps.

Again You sir are an idiot.

 

[SlitheryDee]

This is pretty much what happened when the P4 launched.

Actually it's not EXACTLY the same since the first P4 parts weren't that competitive and didn't take the performance crown from the Athlon till it broke the 2 ghz barrier. AMD was forced to limp along behind Intel for a while until they could get the A64, then only known by the codename "Hammer", onto the shelves. At that point AMD was once again the performance leader and Intel had to limp along behind them for 3 years.

Honestly people, IT'S TIME for Intel to have the lead again. It's time for us to wait impatiently for AMD's new architecture to see how well it stacks up. I don't know about you guys but I totally expected Intel to have a killer piece of silicon in Conroe, Merom, and Woodcrest, but that's no reason to spout doomsday prophecies of AMD getting stomped. It's just all coming around again like it has for almost the last decade. (sorry for the long-windedness)

 

[Gamer X]

I think conroe will end up close in performance to AM2 X2s after all.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: dmens

i'm just happy right now that i bought 600 shares of intel last week.

Hey, it just dipped below $20. buy buy buy.

i actually got some at 19.96 today. seeing as im a software engineer and well, live like a college kid, basically a lot of my money goes into these sort of things.


made a lot of money on amd a few years back (around xmas 2004) and well... i hope to do that again this year . hopefully sometime around november, ill reward myself with a new conroe upgrade. when i was in amd i had an athlon 64 3000 (i had a 2600 ES also) and well... this time around i have a intel system (920 even though i know its not the "best") . oh well makes it a little more intersting.

 

[kknd1967]

4-way server Opteron may still have some lead even in light of intel's new platform
but the gap is closing and AMD may lose performance/watt crown at any time

 

[MrJim]

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: kknd1967
4-way server Opteron may still have some lead even in light of intel's new platform
but the gap is closing and AMD may lose performance/watt crown at any time

yeah but the majority of servers are 1 or 2 sockets.

a 4 way with only dual core chips ... might not be completely awful, but a 4 way with 4 quad core chips probably will be seriously bus constrained. oh well, its not a huge part of the market for amd, mostly just the hpc , i am modeling a nuclear explosion / weather research types.

amd will probably hav ea lead there though, but this is still a good step.

 

[MrJim]

Hope Conroe will be as cool as i suppose it will be and more nice to my power bill! Will be great for my next mediaserver at home, yummie!
This is good for us consumers, it will be interesting to see what AMD will counter with in the future.

 

[aznrice54]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Everybody warned that AMD was not pushing its advantage hard enough, especially the INQ. Now looks like they are going to get stomped w/o much of an answer for a while.


AMD = incredibly stupid. FOr 3 years we've gotten a few speed bumps and other slight modifications. If they have something up their sleeve they should show it now.

They'd better have been cooking up something very impressive to beat Conroe, from the looks of these benchmarks.

I've been pretty disgusted with some of the garbage Intel has been churning out but I can finally give them kudos for their effort, even though it did take 3 years.