If a war occured between china and the us how would it affect buisness in the usa

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Mai72

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What about a China/Russia war vs America.

Now, that would be interesting!
 

Mai72

Lifer
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Something tells me people are incapable of learning the main lesson of wars from history,

no one can predict when or how wars start or how and when they will end.

for example,

World War 1 was supposed to be the last great war and end by Christmas, we all know how that turned out.

Wars are very unpredictable.

What we have going is we were just in the middle east. We have the greatest military ever. China's military is impressive but it is untested. When was China in an actual war? It's been a very long time. War tactics have changed greatly.

When I think of upsets I think of Britain vs the American colonies. Britain had the weaponry, technology, and man power. Their leaders were hardened veterans. Yet, we still won in the end.

Anything is possible when it comes to war.
 

Ventanni

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Ok, here is how it will go down. They will get 4 private leer jets each with its own device, they will fly the jets to New York City, LA, Washington DC and Chicago and detonate them over those cities. It will be under the radar and the US Military will never have the opportunity to respond. There will 5-10 million killed instantly with another 5-10 million dying later. All commerce and inhabitation in those cities will cease. The federal government erased. Stock market erased. Military command crippled. Money supply crippled. Etc....

It is really not that complicated. All that is needed is an insane entity looking for nuclear devices (ISIS) and that entity must have the funds needed(ISIS). The last needed ingredient is enough corruption and fanaticism in Pakistan, that is the single fragile thread between modernity and a nuclear bloodbath. That thread could break today, tomorrow, 10 years from or even longer. There however can be no doubt that it will break.

The problem I have with individuals who actually believe this is deep down inside, you actually want this crap to happen. I mean, you have to justify your fears somehow, don't you?

If the world is so evil, rotten, and corrupted, how about you do something positive about it.
 

Hugo Drax

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Looks like the Trade war is getting hot. It will be interesting to see what will happen to American companies who transferred so much tech to China and put all their eggs in China by moving manufacturing to Foxconn etc.. It can get worse and a total Embargo would put the US in a stand still. We would have to wear barrel and suspenders for clothing etc.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Keep dreaming. That is just delusional. There will be nuclear exchanges on a catastrophic scale at some point in our future. It is not a question of IF, it is a question of when. The hope is that it happens after we are all dead.

Denying this certainty is denying the character and history of man. If I were a betting man, I would bet on Islamic countries kicking off the destruction of the world, not the Chinese. The Chinese (like the Japanese) have a greater interest in keeping people out of their country than invading Western countries.


I think that war is a problem for the next fifty years. Then individual groups with access to "ordinary" technology and in a century some crazy high school kid. It's easy to imagine just how to end the world, at least for humans. Just a little more knowledge will be all it takes.
 

BxgJ

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned stockpiling bottle caps yet...

Ah just noticed it's mostly from 2016. The reference should still work.
 

NostaSeronx

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If a fighting war does occur United States will pretty much win within 3 years after full mobilization. 1 year of "Oh no you didn't!" + <3 years of "You dun f'ed up China!"

If China/Taiwan Fabs go down. Well more money for Intel's Custom Foundry and Abu Dhabi's GlobalFoundries and Samsung's Austin/S2.

The only way the war would actually start is if China started it. Heck, if China goes to war, nothing is stopping the United States from gobbling Central and South America, as well.
 

Jhhnn

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Wars are very unpredictable.

What we have going is we were just in the middle east. We have the greatest military ever. China's military is impressive but it is untested. When was China in an actual war? It's been a very long time. War tactics have changed greatly.

When I think of upsets I think of Britain vs the American colonies. Britain had the weaponry, technology, and man power. Their leaders were hardened veterans. Yet, we still won in the end.

Anything is possible when it comes to war.

You seem to have forgotten our French allies at the time...
 

pmv

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My guess would be a global economic crisis leading to a new Great Depression. Probably leading to the rise of fascism in many countries. China itself could possibly collapse into bloody chaos internally. So, not good. Best avoided, I'd say.
 

cytg111

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Yeah, something tells me we are past the days of world wars. I just don't see it happening in modern society. We are rapidly moving toward a
one world government type deal I think.

Damn I hope you are right.
 

NTMBK

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If war breaks out between the US and China, it's going to really suck to be Japanese, Taiwanese, North Korean or South Korean.

  • North Korea will probably flatten Seoul as soon as the war starts, US forces stationed in SK carpet bomb the north in retaliation. Millions die on both sides of the border.
  • PROC launches all out attack on the ROC, annexes it in a matter of weeks. Millions die in process.
  • Japan will be used as the USA's "unsinkable aircraft carrier" to launch strikes on mainland China alongside the Pacific fleet, making it a target for massive retaliation from the Chinese.
Just because China probably can't hit the mainland US, doesn't mean that US allies aren't going to have a terrible time.
 

NostaSeronx

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@NTMBK

Don't forget about the countries below China on the map; ACFTA(ASEAN-China Free Trade Area) nations. The whole sea issue is for protecting ACFTA interests.
 

bshole

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If a fighting war does occur United States will pretty much win within 3 years after full mobilization. 1 year of "Oh no you didn't!" + <3 years of "You dun f'ed up China!"

If China/Taiwan Fabs go down. Well more money for Intel's Custom Foundry and Abu Dhabi's GlobalFoundries and Samsung's Austin/S2.

The only way the war would actually start is if China started it. Heck, if China goes to war, nothing is stopping the United States from gobbling Central and South America, as well.

Delusional. In a war between China and America, the cockroaches win.
 
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NostaSeronx

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Delusional. In a war between China and America, the cockroaches win.
That is assuming that ABM systems wouldn't exist. Which they do...

So, it is going to be a foot war which means who has the best position to attack the other. (America has the best position in a prolonged war.)

Afghan in the west.
Korea in the east.
Taiwan/Philippines in the south.

If Afghanistan or Korea is used, Russia will definitely involve itself. If Russia gets involved NATO gets involved, etc. American wins the sooner the conflict occurs. Modernization of Russia and China beyond that of the United States can not be allowed for NATO Vic.
 
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NostaSeronx

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China would have to formally request cession into the United States. This is the only way China could even conceive a win that doesn't wipe their eastern population.

Similar to how IBM got control of GlobalFoundries. China buys United States bonds, to get integrated into the Union, etc. Over time though maybe 30~60 years boom then modern China is in control.

Let say $10 to $15 trillion in US treasury purchase and the cession of the whole of China (including Taiwan) into the Union, etc.

That is the only way China could even consider getting a win. As it would be heavily orientated towards China actually making the decisions. Since, the US and China do not touch. China can get a constitution that is better suited for themselves. While get all the benefits of free trade borders with the United States, etc. There is a huge amount of stuff China would get, but it will definitely benefit the United States more.

(Like, there is so much that can be done... 1000+ page agreement and I don't have time for that....~~~)
 
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cytg111

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Ok, here is how it will go down. They will get 4 private leer jets each with its own device, they will fly the jets to New York City, LA, Washington DC and Chicago and detonate them over those cities. It will be under the radar and the US Military will never have the opportunity to respond. There will 5-10 million killed instantly with another 5-10 million dying later. All commerce and inhabitation in those cities will cease. The federal government erased. Stock market erased. Military command crippled. Money supply crippled. Etc....

It is really not that complicated. All that is needed is an insane entity looking for nuclear devices (ISIS) and that entity must have the funds needed(ISIS). The last needed ingredient is enough corruption and fanaticism in Pakistan, that is the single fragile thread between modernity and a nuclear bloodbath. That thread could break today, tomorrow, 10 years from or even longer. There however can be no doubt that it will break.
Every logic circuit in my body says you are right. That is why I think we need to unite the globe ASAP, and why the west cant just pull out of Syria and all other places.
Irrational hope is at the same time trying to convince me that govt. is superb at detecting and mitigating incoming nuclear threats.. secret spy sattelites and what not.
 
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