if AMD and intel are so smart, why dont we have this?

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When Everything is cooled by liquid nitrogen



i cant find a video of an old man that made a new liquid to refresh the components, good things of that is " no dust, no noise "

Heat goes up yes, you could change that with fans but it would require more work from the fans thus more noise, wise to use rising hot air for airflow just works better. But if for some reason you want to change things up the heat shouldn't stop you either way.

it will demand more fans = more electricity, and my idea to consume the less power ( and more noise )
guess in some years we will have the liquid refrigeration, bye dust, bye noise with that
 

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thanks man, this is what i was looking for

It's by all means not a perfect case, but fun and easy to build in, with a good potential for some mods!

I replaced the 180mm fans with the newer ones white ones that have a proper control knob and now the performance/noise ratio is even better

I mean, I wanted to try an AIO cooler on my GPU and wasn't sure where to put it... So I just have it at the bottom against the 180mm fans (with the 120mm fans it came with on top) and it works AMAZINGLY.

Not sure when I'll ever replace this case!
 

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ATX is a rubbish standard, because it was designed around 90s CPUs and PCI cards that did not use much power. But it's too widespread to easily replace now. Intel tried to replace it with BTX, so that they could better cool their power hungry Pentium 4, but nobody wanted to buy it. They wanted ATX cases to go with all the ATX motherboards, and ATX motherboards to go with the ATX cases.

Yep. I inherited a BTX Dell PC. Ended up throwing it in the trash, might as well have been a full custom motherboard design like a packard bell from the 90s.

The funny part about BTX was it had a similar layout to AT that ATX replaced.
 
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It's by all means not a perfect case, but fun and easy to build in, with a good potential for some mods!

I replaced the 180mm fans with the newer ones white ones that have a proper control knob and now the performance/noise ratio is even better

I mean, I wanted to try an AIO cooler on my GPU and wasn't sure where to put it... So I just have it at the bottom against the 180mm fans (with the 120mm fans it came with on top) and it works AMAZINGLY.

Not sure when I'll ever replace this case!

i had a thermal issue with 570 gtx some years ago, and modded it, replacing the factory fans, for two 92mm fans 2400 rpm and temps problem solved, im trying to make an air system with natural airflow and low watts demand, and each 90mm fan means 3 watts more, im doing this because in my country bills works like scamming

if you consume 1399 khw you will pay for that khw, but if you consume 1401 watts, you will pay x4 even that 1399khw will be x4, a big scam... then im trying to reduce power in all my house, and the computer was one of the main things, analyzing it, detected that browsing in some websites my cpu went to 60%, then used EPU-6 asus software to solve it while im just browsing and not stressing the cores in any software with high demand
 

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There have been test comparing different mother board orientations. The simple answer is that convection currents are extremely slow, and even low speed fans easily overtake it.
 
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If it were possible to cool with convection only wouldn’t it be best to have a thin wire frame “case” to protect the components, lay the motherboard flat and just let all the heat rise?
 

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If it were possible to cool with convection only wouldn’t it be best to have a thin wire frame “case” to protect the components, lay the motherboard flat and just let all the heat rise?

This is how it is used in servers, but generally at home it is left vertical due to save space.

in the past in companies you saw the computer horizontally, but the users put the monitor on top, obstructing the airexit and even sometimes the air inlet making a big hot air bubble inside, and burned the computers
 
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This is how it is used in servers, but generally at home it is left vertical due to save space.

in the past in companies you saw the computer horizontally, but the users put the monitor on top, obstructing the airexit and even sometimes the air inlet making a big hot air bubble inside, and burned the computers

I remember those beige boxes well
 

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Yet another case where you think you know better only because you aren't considering all the variables and the associated costs.

No, heat does not "go up" at an acceptable rate unless you have huge, heavy, expensive heatsinks. Merely add some fans and heat goes any direction the fans blow air, and it takes very little fan forced airflow to exceed what you'd get from a design as pictured where you depend on hot air rising.

Plus, such a design would let dust settle into the system when not running and would be thwarted by people stacking things on top of the case. It is a good use of space to stack things when you can, unless your case is cheap junk and can barely support it's own weight and yet if this is true, that much harder for it to support massive passive heatsinks, the motheboard tray would flex in addition to the motherboard itself, and you'd have to tiptoe merely moving the system to avoid damage.

You fail to realize that there are people who have been testing these things for years and have found what we have is cost effective and works fine, even without the high number of 120mm+ fans some people are throwing into their cases because the cases are cheaper to make with less metal by putting fan holes everywhere, then they can call it a "feature" that you have a swiss cheese case, but at least this allows running fans at low RPM for a noise decrease if done right.

Also, no, lower power consumption components should not necessarily be put at the bottom, rather the most heat sensitive, lowest thermal margin components should be put at the bottom so the air they receive is not preheated by anything below it, if the above did not trump your idea, except there are also considerations for things like motherboard data trace routing and length.

What you pictured would also require a larger motherboard and thus larger case, would put optical drives down at the bottom where those who use them, usually won't want them, does not include anywhere for the PSU to go so even more case space wasted, or did you want to just put it above the CPU? That is already where it was, but again there is a fan involved, not depending on "heat goes up". Either way, making systems even larger is simply a nonstarter.

You seem to find everything to be an overheating problem which is a sign you need to pay more attention to proper design rather than trying to deviate even more from it.

Stock speed operation in a properly designed case with existing tech does not require water coolers unless you're in an extremely hot ambient environment, or picked some poorly designed parts which should be returned as unfit for purpose if they overheat in a properly designed system.

If you prefer to learn things the hard way, start doing your own experiments instead of expecting us to agree as if that changes anything.

The bottom line is that any configuration is a trade off but once you add fans, you can get acceptable results without the concessions of arranging everything around the idea that hot air rises. The last thing I would want is some much larger, much heavier, much more expensive, way to achieve nothing more than we already have.

If what troubles you the most is how to keep a video card cooler, pick one with a better heatsink or throw a fan on the case side panel. Time tested, this works. You can spend more time and money to get temperatures down a little but it is not a contest where the lowest temp wins, it simply needs to stay stable and have an acceptable lifespan.
 
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Yet another case where you think you know better only because you aren't considering all the variables and the associated costs.

No, heat does not "go up" at an acceptable rate unless you have huge, heavy, expensive heatsinks. Merely add some fans and heat goes any direction the fans blow air, and it takes very little fan forced airflow to exceed what you'd get from a design as pictured where you depend on hot air rising.

Plus, such a design would let dust settle into the system when not running and would be thwarted by people stacking things on top of the case. It is a good use of space to stack things when you can, unless your case is cheap junk and can barely support it's own weight and yet if this is true, that much harder for it to support massive passive heatsinks, the motheboard tray would flex in addition to the motherboard itself, and you'd have to tiptoe merely moving the system to avoid damage.

You fail to realize that there are people who have been testing these things for years and have found what we have is cost effective and works fine, even without the high number of 120mm+ fans some people are throwing into their cases because the cases are cheaper to make with less metal by putting fan holes everywhere, then they can call it a "feature" that you have a swiss cheese case, but at least this allows running fans at low RPM for a noise decrease if done right.

Also, no, lower power consumption components should not necessarily be put at the bottom, rather the most heat sensitive, lowest thermal margin components should be put at the bottom so the air they receive is not preheated by anything below it, if the above did not trump your idea, except there are also considerations for things like motherboard data trace routing and length.

What you pictured would also require a larger motherboard and thus larger case, would put optical drives down at the bottom where those who use them, usually won't want them, does not include anywhere for the PSU to go so even more case space wasted, or did you want to just put it above the CPU? That is already where it was, but again there is a fan involved, not depending on "heat goes up". Either way, making systems even larger is simply a nonstarter.

You seem to find everything to be an overheating problem which is a sign you need to pay more attention to proper design rather than trying to deviate even more from it.

Stock speed operation in a properly designed case with existing tech does not require water coolers unless you're in an extremely hot ambient environment, or picked some poorly designed parts which should be returned as unfit for purpose if they overheat in a properly designed system.

If you prefer to learn things the hard way, start doing your own experiments instead of expecting us to agree as if that changes anything.

The bottom line is that any configuration is a trade off but once you add fans, you can get acceptable results without the concessions of arranging everything around the idea that hot air rises. The last thing I would want is some much larger, much heavier, much more expensive, way to achieve nothing more than we already have.

If what troubles you the most is how to keep a video card cooler, pick one with a better heatsink or throw a fan on the case side panel. Time tested, this works. You can spend more time and money to get temperatures down a little but it is not a contest where the lowest temp wins, it simply needs to stay stable and have an acceptable lifespan.




this case was terrible


the solution for my high temps was this build




120mm for silent air flow = 15watts

guess 2 70mm fan in gpu 4 watts more
1 psu fan 120mm 3 watts more

1 cpu fan 90mm 2 watts more

24 watts spent in air flow system
 

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24 watts spent in air flow system

Piker. I used to have a Nidec Servo and Delta on an NH-D14 that probably burned 30W on their own. Seriously, the wattage rating on those fans was stupidly high, and I kept them maxed out 100% of the time. That wasn't counting the case fans and the desk fan I had blowing into the open side of the case. 24W is nothing.

Now I have two 140mm Noctua 3000rpm IndustrialPPC fans on an NH-D15. No idea how much power it takes to make that much noise. It's gotta be substantial. And a bunch of case fans that actually don't use that much juice (aww).
 

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Piker. I used to have a Nidec Servo and Delta on an NH-D14 that probably burned 30W on their own. Seriously, the wattage rating on those fans was stupidly high, and I kept them maxed out 100% of the time. That wasn't counting the case fans and the desk fan I had blowing into the open side of the case. 24W is nothing.

Now I have two 140mm Noctua 3000rpm IndustrialPPC fans on an NH-D15. No idea how much power it takes to make that much noise. It's gotta be substantial. And a bunch of case fans that actually don't use that much juice (aww).

i do browsing most time, and just play a game 2 hours each week or maybe 0 hours, then im thinking on shutdown the computer and use a notebook
notebook just consume 35 watts + 24watts led 24 inchs, is very cheap just for browsing and watch internet, ill think ill do that lol

this 2009 beast is too much now for what i do
 
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