If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

[Kippa]

I got the original Titan years ago for a number of reasons other than just gaming. One of the arguments put against the original Titans was that 6gb of ram was overkill and at the time maybe it was. I still use the original Titan and see some games these days are using over 4gb+ of video ram.

My point is that in the entire lifespan of the gfx card, which I am still using the 6gb has in the long run been worth it. Now we have the same arguments again, that 12gb of video ram is overkill. Bear in mind if you buy the Titan X and are planning to keep it for a long time that 12gb of video ram will probably eventually be used.

I'm not saying that you will get a game that uses 12gb of video ram sometime soon, although I do believe that in the not too distant future there will be some games that use up to and possibly over 6gb of video ram in the life time of the graphics card.

I am not talking about gaming in 4K, just purely video ram usage. Getting a Titan X might not be such a bad investment if you are going to use it for a couple of years.

 

[Pariah]

100% wrong. AMD didn't promise ANYTHING. Link AMD's statement promising the fastest single GPU card with 2/3 the price if you think otherwise.

A bunch of forum warriors intentionally overhyped a product and intentionally set unrealistic expectations in order to ensure "disappointment" in those other forum warriors gullible enough to fall for it.

That is in no way the same thing as AMD promising it.

Maybe, but understand it was the AMD fans that were hyping it, not the NVidia users. So, AMD let down their own users again. NVidia users don't care that AMD failed to deliver again. AMD DID tout the overclocking ability of the Fury X at the E3 announcement. Based on the reviews, AMD doesn't understand what a good overclock is, and never should have mentioned that if the tools to make it happen weren't going to available at launch. Why doesn't AMD ever learn to not promote things that aren't going to be ready at launch, if ever?

 

[Gunbuster]

Why doesn't AMD ever learn to not promote things that aren't going to be ready at launch, if ever?

Because they stole the Coming Soon™ crown from the Microsoft Lumia phone division, thats why

 

[96Firebird]

A bunch of forum warriors intentionally overhyped a product and intentionally set unrealistic expectations in order to ensure "disappointment" in those other forum warriors gullible enough to fall for it.

Now I've heard it all... D:

 

[3DVagabond]

Gotta think about it, the 980 Ti is slightly faster and has 6 GB of VRAM. Fury X however is priced at 650 like the 980 Ti. Makes no sense.

Actually a hybrid cooled 980 ti is $750. Where it's $650 for a fully water cooled Fury. Let's compare apples/apples.

 

[moonbogg]

All these threads do is make me fall more in love with my 980ti's.

 

[Headfoot]

Now I've heard it all... D:

Yes, I'm sure the multiple rumor threads started by a known nVidia fan played no part at all in overhyping a product that was intentionally low-leaks...

If you've got an argument better than "Now I've heard it all" then make it. Otherwise this is just more noise in a forum with an incredibly low signal to noise ratio.

 

[Goatsecks]

Actually a hybrid cooled 980 ti is $750. Where it's $650 for a fully water cooled Fury. Let's compare apples/apples.

In the states. They are same price over here (UK).

 

[96Firebird]

If you've got an argument better than "Now I've heard it all" then make it. Otherwise this is just more noise in a forum with an incredibly low signal to noise ratio.

There's no argument to be made... If you truly believe Nvidia fans hyped up AMD fans just to be disappointed, there's no helping you.

 

[Headfoot]

There's no argument to be made... If you truly believe Nvidia fans hyped up AMD fans just to be disappointed, there's no helping you.

So you have no argument, got it.

 

[Azix]

double standards.

 

[Jaydip]

Yes, I'm sure the multiple rumor threads started by a known nVidia fan played no part at all in overhyping a product that was intentionally low-leaks...

If you've got an argument better than "Now I've heard it all" then make it. Otherwise this is just more noise in a forum with an incredibly low signal to noise ratio.

And you forget about an AMD fan who said Fury-X would be 10-15% faster than Tx? it seems he has taken a leave for now :biggrin:

 

[Pariah]

Actually a hybrid cooled 980 ti is $750. Where it's $650 for a fully water cooled Fury. Let's compare apples/apples.

To the vast majority of users, apples to apples means comparing performance and then comparing the prices of similar performance, not some random feature. Whatever voodoo magic is used to generate the performance is irrelevant. A water cooled 980Ti will pound a Fury X in its current crap overclocker state.

 

[lavaheadache]

BFG you know the answers to every question you posed in the OP. Why post this thread? Was it just to express outrage over Halo tax?

There is no double standard. Titan X is in a position all by itself at the top. At least for now.

And once again, the massive disappointment was due to the mega-hype for the product that didnt deliver. Something we've come to know as an AMD synonym.

Im very curious as to how you could not know any of this?
Please enlighten?

P.S. Also, didnt you buy an original Titan?
I assume you bought it used or heavily discounted. Scratch and dent maybe?

What was the mega hype surrounding Fury? I thought AMD was very quiet about the card. In todays world hype comes from people that have no inside info, no ties to a product or basically zero knowledge.

While I wish the Fury had a little more Fury in it, the card itself seems to be quite nice and certainly powerful. If I were a gambling man I would bet that there is plenty of performance left to come since AMD is notorious for being late to the table with performance drivers.

 

[ShintaiDK]

A bunch of forum warriors intentionally overhyped a product and intentionally set unrealistic expectations in order to ensure "disappointment" in those other forum warriors gullible enough to fall for it.

You almost got it right. But the last part of your post is wrong.

If you check history and see who did it. You would see most are AMD fans. Its the exact same with CPUs every single time by Team Red.

And every time someone comes in and say its hyped and unrealistic they get attacked and tagged different names by said supporters and people that "wish to believe".

 

[DaveSimmons]

why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

For the exact same reason intel has charged $1,000 for their fastest -E/-X enthusiast desktop CPUs. You pay a huge premium for the fastest possible stock performance.

Is it a good value for 99%+ of card buyers? No.

Is anyone here recommending it for more than 0.x% of card buyers? No.

Even more so now that the ti is out to fill the gap between the 980 and Titian.

So, this thread seems like a bit of a strawman to me. It's attacking something that no one is doing in order to try to make some point about Fury X being a good value.

 

[Headfoot]

And you forget about an AMD fan who said Fury-X would be 10-15% faster than Tx? it seems he has taken a leave for now :biggrin:

I don't deny that some overly enthusiastic AMD fans joined the nonsense. That is certainly true too. They arent mutually exclusive concepts

 

[Headfoot]

You almost got it right. But the last part of your post is wrong.

If you check history and see who did it. You would see most are AMD fans. Its the exact same with CPUs every single time by Team Red.

And every time someone comes in and say its hyped and unrealistic they get attacked and tagged different names by said supporters and people that "wish to believe".

I dont think people intentionally setting it up for failure were the majority of the posters, I think they were a vocal minority which drove the narrative though.

 

[Enigmoid]

Actually a hybrid cooled 980 ti is $750. Where it's $650 for a fully water cooled Fury. Let's compare apples/apples.

Which only matters if you want/need the water cooled 980 Ti.

This is like going some apple forum and reading a PC vs. Mac comparison where someone is always insisting on requiring the PC to have a $75 more expensive motherboard than the alternative because thunderbolt is 'required' to make the comparison. Or Windows Ultimate/Professional because OSX's feature set is more comparable to that than the perfectly usable for 99.999% of people Home Premium.

 

[Subyman]

What was the mega hype surrounding Fury? I thought AMD was very quiet about the card. In todays world hype comes from people that have no inside info, no ties to a product or basically zero knowledge.

While I wish the Fury had a little more Fury in it, the card itself seems to be quite nice and certainly powerful. If I were a gambling man I would bet that there is plenty of performance left to come since AMD is notorious for being late to the table with performance drivers.

I'd say hype comes from reasonable expectations. I'd think it is perfectly reasonable that people would think the Fury card would be slightly better for the same price compared to a card that is already on the market. Those reasonable expectations weren't any more than what we've seen in the past with the R9 290 completely turning the market on its head. Perhaps there were some that were expecting the moon, but I didn't feel that was the general sentiment.

Personally, I was expecting it to match if not over take the 980TI and OC well (as AMD said it would.) It doesn't do either and costs the same. So I was disappointed in not being able to logically choose it over something else. Hopefully we see some driver improvements, but that doesn't change the fact that it launched with disappointing results to most.

 

[Subyman]

I dont think people intentionally setting it up for failure were the majority of the posters, I think they were a vocal minority which drove the narrative though.

I don't think anyone would have thought it wouldn't beat the 980TI for the same price. That's the results we got. So, its disappointing no matter what the hype was or wasn't.

 

[Headfoot]

I don't think anyone would have thought it wouldn't beat the 980TI for the same price. That's the results we got. So, its disappointing no matter what the hype was or wasn't.

I'm not so sure about that, if the rumors were consistently along the lines of the actual performance I think there would have been less disappointment and more "Well I guess it's what we expected, even if its not better than a 980 Ti."

All these people were hyping up crazy stuff like beating Titan X by 20+%. Even assuming its going to beat the 980 Ti was not really a sure thing after the 980 Ti came out since it was pretty clear the 980 Ti wasn't priced at $650 out of the kindness of nVidia's heart. It was priced that way to take the wind out of AMD's sails. And it sure did.

Ultimately it seems like it was a terrible mistake to not increase the number of ROPS...

 

[Alatar]

I don't think anyone would have thought it wouldn't beat the 980TI for the same price.

I did.

From the end of May:

perf - card - price

100% - GTX Titan X 12GB - $999
95% - GTX 980Ti 6GB - $650
90% - Radeon Fury (something watercooled reference Fiji) 4GB - $650
83% - Fiji Pro (dunno about the name) 4GB - $549
75% - GTX 980 4GB - $499
70% - Radeon R9 390X 8GB - $399
65% - GTX 970 4GB - $329
65% - Radeon R9 390 8GB - $299
50% - Radeon R9 380X 4GB (full tonga) - $219
45% - Radeon R9 380 2GB - $179
45% - GTX 960 2GB/4GB - $179
...

 

[AtenRa]

Which only matters if you want/need the water cooled 980 Ti.

Then we should compare GTX980Ti to custom AIRcooled Furys, correct ??

 

[BigDaveX]

What was the mega hype surrounding Fury? I thought AMD was very quiet about the card. In todays world hype comes from people that have no inside info, no ties to a product or basically zero knowledge.

Considering it was widely known that the Fury X's core would essentially be a 290X on steroids, I think people got it into their heads that the HBM was going to be a massive game-changer in the same way that the Radeon 9700's 256-bit memory bus or the K8's on-board memory controller were.