If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

[Pariah]

Then we should compare GTX980Ti to custom AIRcooled Furys, correct ??

What part of compare similar performing products to each other and use price and features as the personal tiebreaker do you not understand?

 

[Mako88]

How is this even a thread? Who gives a S about Titan X, that thing is now dead as very few people feel that an extra 6GB of VRAM is now worth an added premium that high versus cards giving nearly equal performance hundreds of dollars less.

Stop it.

The real thought is that FX performs -10% to most 980 Ti cards in most benchmarks (including Anandtech's own 'unbiased' benchmarks) and thus it should be priced at 10% less than 980 Ti to restore value ($599).

No one is talking about the Titan X, that was a freak event where a GPU launched with no competition at the time and both consumers and a hungry press jumped all over it....to their own detriment now. Try to sell your own Titan X for anywhere near $1000 today and see what happens...hint, check ebay "sold" auctions over the last 72 hours. Bottom has already fallen out and TX is in a freefall, obviously.

/thread

 

[pj-]

Actually a hybrid cooled 980 ti is $750. Where it's $650 for a fully water cooled Fury. Let's compare apples/apples.

Air cooled 980ti vs fury x is a totally fair comparison because that's what the vast majority of buyers, including myself, are deciding/have decided between. It's not my fault AMD is waiting to release the air cooled fury, which may or may not be cut down.

If there was an air cooled fury x that cost only $50 less than the water cooled version, I'd bet anything the sales ratio would be 10:1 in favor of the air cooled.

 

[Mako88]

Air cooled 980ti vs fury x is a totally fair comparison because that's what the vast majority of buyers, including myself, are deciding/have decided between. It's not my fault AMD is waiting to release the air cooled fury, which may or may not be cut down.

If there was an air cooled fury x that cost only $50 less than the water cooled version, I'd bet anything the sales ratio would be 10:1 in favor of the air cooled.

Agree, if the air Fury isn't cut-down that could change everything in terms of how badly this launch has gone. It would tip the value scale hugely.

 

[Keysplayr]

Actually a hybrid cooled 980 ti is $750. Where it's $650 for a fully water cooled Fury. Let's compare apples/apples.

Do lets.
As FuryX sits right now, it should be priced considerably less than 980Ti. I know in your eyes the two are neck and neck. Yeah they're not. So keep the FuryX at 650 instead, and raise the price 100 bucks to 750 as you say on the 980Ti to water cool it. Now we are right where we belong.

You are looking at everything bent only one way.

 

[Headfoot]

I know in your eyes the two are neck and neck. Yeah they're not.

Depends on resolution, 4k stock vs stock trades blows. The only real place where Fury X is competitive IMO is 980 Ti SLI vs Fury X CF at 4k.

 

[AtenRa]

What part of compare similar performing products to each other and use price and features as the personal tiebreaker do you not understand?

Custom Aircooled Furys should have the same or higher performance than Fury-X at lower price.

Shall we compare them to GTX980Ti or GTX980 ?? Im saying both, what say you ??

 

[pj-]

Custom Aircooled Furys should have the same or higher performance than Fury-X at lower price.

Shall we compare them to GTX980Ti or GTX980 ?? Im saying both, what say you ??

You are assuming air cooled fury won't be a cut down chip. Is there any info to support that?

If it was equal in performance to fury x you think they'd want it out on day one as a near-980ti performer for $100 less. I certainly would have bought one instead of a 980ti.

Either air cooled fury is cut down, or amd is so supply constrained that it wasn't possible to launch both versions at the same time. Either way it's not good for them.

 

[Keysplayr]

Not true. I had a guy literally tell me the Titan X was a better option than Fury X on this very forum the other day. I'll try and find the quote here...

EDIT:



In which he's outright stating Titan X is a better option than Fury X for lower than 4k, which is completely ridiculous as its ~10-15% more performance at best for an additional $350. And anyone intellectually honest can see that the logical conclusion is that if Titan X is a better option, the price must therefore be seen as acceptable. (else it wouldn't be the better option, following this logic.)

You underestimate how ridiculous the rhetoric and exaggeration gets after a new launch...

From a performance perspective, of course the TitanX or 980Ti is a better option than FuryX. Did this person state TitanX was a better buy? I cant help but feel like there was more to the guys post an you left out some context. Why not just link to the conversatiom? Show us where he says TitanX pricing is acceptable.

 

[Mako88]

From a performance perspective, of course the TitanX or 980Ti is a better option than FuryX. Did this person state it was a better buy? I cant help but feel like there was more to the guys post an you left out some context. Why not just link to the conversatiom? Show us where he says TitanX pricing is acceptable.

Some people, insecure people, will justify anything they buy...feeling that to do otherwise is to make themselves look foolish due to making a mistake. (Not you Headfoot, talking about that Titan X owner).

I bought a Titan X near launch, liked it, but quickly realized that the 980 Ti and Fury X would likely be close...close enough that it didn't make sense at $1000 to keep the card.

I got out of it at no loss thankfully, and moved on to dual 980 Ti cards (was going FX, but my display requires HDMI 2.0 for 4k so I had to go 980 Ti instead).

People will rationalize anything. I compared benchmarks and VRAM use at 4k with up to 8x AA with everything on and it STILL didn't justify having 12GB of VRAM versus just 6GB. I simply could not make a logical case for keeping the Titan X no matter what the scenario.

But yeah, fanboys be fanboys, not just of brands...but of anything they buy. It automatically "makes" them fanboys just because they bought it and don't want to look stupid if the buy was a mistake.

 

[rgallant]

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=06G-P4-1996-KR
fury $100.00 cheaper but slower

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-1989-KR
fury x same price but faster

now having the evga sku's prices do make the fury x a apple to apple comparison possible if peeps accept that or not.

haha took a phone call and you got head of me if this seem out of sync

 

[Headfoot]

From a performance perspective, of course the TitanX or 980Ti is a better option than FuryX. Did this person state TitanX was a better buy? I cant help but feel like there was more to the guys post an you left out some context. Why not just link to the conversatiom? Show us where he says TitanX pricing is acceptable.

Already quoted the exact line. You just don't like that someone said that. Too bad, they did. We can sit around thinking about corner cases where the Titan X is somehow "better" but the bottom line is its $350 for 10% performance over a 980 Ti. The exception is the exception and the rule is the rule. It's a bad buy for gaming

 

[Keysplayr]

Depends on resolution, 4k stock vs stock trades blows. The only real place where Fury X is competitive IMO is 980 Ti SLI vs Fury X CF at 4k.

And can you share with the rest of the forum (I mean we know already) why you chose to mention only 4K, which btw 980Ti is still ahead?

 

[Keysplayr]

Already quoted the exact line. You just don't like that someone said that. Too bad, they did. We can sit around thinking about corner cases where the Titan X is somehow "better" but the bottom line is its $350 for 10% performance over a 980 Ti. It's a bad buy for gaming

umm, buddy? we need the link. If you refuse to give it, it means you're attempting to deceive. What you did provide didn't show anybody saying the price of the TitanX was acceptable. Be honest, or be silent.

 

[Headfoot]

umm, buddy? we need the link. If you refuse to give it, it means you're attempting to deceive. What you did provide didn't show anybody saying the price of the TitanX was acceptable. Be honest, or be silent.

LOL I quoted it, verbatim. Like I said anyone intellectually honest can make the small logical conclusion of "Titan X is the better option" to "The price is acceptable" because if the price isn't acceptable, it wouldn't be the better option.

Your insistence on the link is hilarious. Keep deflecting from the point bro. Very, very transparent to the intellectually honest reading this thread.

 

[Exophase]

I wonder what AMD would have sold the Fury X for had 980 Ti not been released. My guess is that it would have been higher than $649, possibly significantly higher.

 

[Headfoot]

And can you share with the rest of the forum (I mean we know already) why you chose to mention only 4K, which btw 980Ti is still ahead?

I'm not claiming its better generally, which is abundantly obvious.

Let me lay it out in very simple terms since that is apparently what it takes.
Fury X is only competitive at 4k in CF vs 980 Ti SLI, THUS, I am saying Fury X is NOT competitive in anything that is not 4k and 2 cards. Competitive does not mean better. Which is yet another obvious baseline assumption I am apparently forced to explain.

Look dude. It's pretty apparent you have no interest in discussing this topic in good faith. Good faith meaning attempting to understand what the other person is saying instead of intentionally misconstruing things in order to be offended/outraged. I'm not continuing discussing anything with you.

 

[Loki726]

There is a reasonably sized market for GPUs with fast single precision and high capacity (e.g. 12GB) memory outside of gaming. Google, Baidu, Facebook, Yandex, Amazon, and others buy them for CUDA and machine learning. At GTC, the NVIDIA CEO said that Titan was targeted at this market http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gtc-2015-opening-keynote,28766.html , where $1000 seems cheap compared to server CPUs and Tesla GPUs.

Clearly NVIDIA realized that this wasn't a good tradeoff for gaming, and the 980 Ti is more or less the same thing, but with memory capacity, yield, and price better tuned for gamers.

 

[Keysplayr]

LOL I quoted it, verbatim. Like I said anyone intellectually honest can make the small logical conclusion of "Titan X is the better option" to "The price is acceptable" because if the price isn't acceptable, it wouldn't be the better option.

Your insistence on the link is hilarious. Keep deflecting from the point bro. Very, very transparent to the intellectually honest reading this thread.

Link. Now please.
You're lying. This person NEVER said that a TitanX pricing was acceptable. You lied in front of this entire forum.
You can't just say, "he said this but he actually meant this".

Save face bud, link us up now.

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm not claiming its better generally, which is abundantly obvious.

Let me lay it out in very simple terms since that is apparently what it takes.
Fury X is only competitive at 4k in CF vs 980 Ti SLI, THUS, I am saying Fury X is NOT competitive in anything that is not 4k and 2 cards.

Competitive does not mean better. Which is yet another obvious baseline assumption I am apparently forced to explain.

You need to explain everything you say. You wouldn't want to be misunderstood by your peers.

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm not claiming its better generally, which is abundantly obvious.

Let me lay it out in very simple terms since that is apparently what it takes.
Fury X is only competitive at 4k in CF vs 980 Ti SLI, THUS, I am saying Fury X is NOT competitive in anything that is not 4k and 2 cards. Competitive does not mean better. Which is yet another obvious baseline assumption I am apparently forced to explain.

Look dude. It's pretty apparent you have no interest in discussing this topic in good faith. Good faith meaning attempting to understand what the other person is saying instead of intentionally misconstruing things in order to be offended/outraged. I'm not continuing discussing anything with you.

I'm not the one who lied about anything. Good Faith? Please, you're lucky I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

 

[Headfoot]

Link. Now please.
You're lying. This person NEVER said that a TitanX pricing was acceptable. You lied in front of this entire forum.
You can't just say, "he said this but he actually meant this".

Save face bud, link us up now.

And you prove my point for me. Absolutely no interest in discussing anything in good faith. Gotta roll out the "YOU'RE LYING!!1111!"

I'm losing it over here. This is golden. Besides, this is all off topic and derailing. we're done here.

 

[pj-]

Link. Now please.
You're lying. This person NEVER said that a TitanX pricing was acceptable. You lied in front of this entire forum.
You can't just say, "he said this but he actually meant this".

Save face bud, link us up now.

You've been here for 12 years but you don't know how forums work?

Click the little blue square with the > in his quoted post. That's a link that takes you to the conversation in context.

Holy smokes..

 

[Keysplayr]

Hey Headfoot. Remember when I asked for the context you intentionally left out?

here

it

is.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37510661&postcount=518

Same poster. Actually denies saying what you claim he said.

/done

 

[Headfoot]

Hey Headfoot. Remember when I asked for the context you intentionally left out?

here

it

is.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37510661&postcount=518

Same poster. Actually denies saying what you claim he said.

/done

Because no one on this forum ever changes their story after they get called out, lol. I'm flattered you take such an interest in me, though.