If God doesn't exist then..

[omega3]

If God doesn't exist, then why do we have the capacity to question our own existance? Where does that come from?

 

[sandorski]

Our highly developed Brain.

Your question is rather incoherent. Are you suggesting that God is actually questioning our existence? That our Thoughts are just put there by God?

Edit: used wrong "there"

 

[MongGrel]

Our highly developed Brain.

Your question is rather incoherent. Are you suggesting that God is actually questioning our existence? That our Thoughts are just put their by God?

It tend to agree, the fact someone conceived of the idea to begin with has caused a lot of strife in the world.

 

[omega3]

Our highly developed Brain.

Your question is rather incoherent. Are you suggesting that God is actually questioning our existence? That our Thoughts are just put there by God?

Edit: used wrong "there"

No, I was more wondering where our rational thinking comes from that even allows us to question our own existance.

 

[sandorski]

No, I was more wondering where our rational thinking comes from that even allows us to question our own existance.

Still our Brain.

 

[JD50]

No, I was more wondering where our rational thinking comes from that even allows us to question our own existance.

How does "God" answer that question?

 

[zzz123]

ok

 

[Retro Rob]

It tend to agree, the fact someone conceived of the idea to begin with has caused a lot of strife in the world.

LOL "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" is just "God" under another name.

In other words, calling God something else does nothing to address his existence.

Lol atheists...

 

[WelshBloke]

LOL "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" is just "God" under another name....

Ummm, that's kinda the whole point.

In other words, calling God something else does nothing to address his existence....

Or naming God does nothing to prove his existence.

Lol atheists...

Lol archaic belief systems...

 

[Retro Rob]

Ummm, that's kinda the whole point.

So there is no point in the FSM then? Like I said, "lol Atheists"

 

[WelshBloke]

So there is no point in the FSM then?

Oh there's a quite obvious reason for it.
It's a valid reason as well, unless you think that there's no reason for god either?

Like I said, "lol Atheists"

I suppose I should" lol people who can't logic" at this point.

 

[JD50]

So there is no point in the FSM then? Like I said, "lol Atheists"

Why do you do this? The point of the FSM has been explained to you plenty of times, you either have a terrible memory or you have trouble understanding basic concepts.

 

[flexy]

Our rational thinking, our entire intellectual abilities IN MY OPINION come from that we needed those to survive. (So basically it's a natural result of evolution).

Nothing "in nature" comes about without a need/reason, and I think if we humans hadn't actually needed our intellect the brain/mind would not have evolved.

Compare some naked human out in the wilderness with animals, such as tigers, lions, bears etc.

Who do you think would "win" in a bare-handed fight, bear or lion vs. human?
We wouldn't have the slightest chance if it wasn't for us to develop our intellect that then enabled us to make weapons or traps...eg. outwitting natural enemies.

Same is true for simply surviving, eg. in a cold climate. Go set a naked or scantily glad human outside in the midst of winter, -20deg....and see how long he/she can survive.

The same for developing abilities like hunting, making use of fire, etc..etc.

Since we're physically ridiculous under-powered against a mighty nature we HAD to develop our intellect otherwise we wouldn't exist today.

** Now, I could argue that the idea of a "god" came as a result of our intellect because at some point we developed religion, philosophy, science etc.

Differently:

* I think ---> therefore ---> God?
or
* God ---> therefore --> I think?

 

[nickbits]

I don't see what one thing has to do with the other

 

[Retro Rob]

Why do you do this? The point of the FSM has been explained to you plenty of times, you either have a terrible memory or you have trouble understanding basic concepts.

I guess you don't understand that just because something was "explained" doesn't mean it has a point.

 

[Moonbeam]

The existence of God is known by the appearance of a particular conscious state. This state has many names. There are people who have faith in God, or faith that a God conscious state can be achieved and there are people who don't believe in any of it, but either the faithful or the doubters have any real knowledge. For them God is an idea, many ideas, all invented, about who God is or isn't. They believe or doubt in ideas that are only thoughts.

As long as the ego manifests faith or doubt, there can be no God consious state. God consciousness is when the self is not.

The OP struggles with the realization that minus the God consious state the soul feels it's separation. It is the source of human longing. Once, long ago we were at one with God. The soul remembers. You also remember but do not know that you do.

The Phoenix rises if it crashes and burns.

 

[JD50]

I guess you don't understand that just because something was "explained" doesn't mean it has a point.

The point was explained to you.

 

[bshole]

Our rational thinking, our entire intellectual abilities IN MY OPINION come from that we needed those to survive. (So basically it's a natural result of evolution).

...and that came about at the exact time that we lost our bite power. Very interesting actually. The morphological change that expanded our skull to allow a larger brain also caused us to lose our bite power. They have actually pinpointed this in the fossil record. It was a freak genetic drift that must have made a dramatic improvement in survivability. If the human intellect hadn't improved at the same time, the loss of bite force would have wiped out that mutation. Just so you know, elephants, dolphins, dogs, apes, monkeys and birds are all able to reason to the level of a child. It really is a sliding scale. I have a brother that has Down's syndrome, there are plenty of animals out there that can reason as well as he can.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I look at the world and I notice it's turning...while my guitar gently weeps.

 

[Mai72]

It's our brain.

Think about our ancestors, the cavemen. Did they have the capacity to think about how the world works, or where they came from? No. They were concerned with survival. Period. Then, as society progressed we started to question our existence. Why are we here? What's life about? Is there a god? Etc.. Many of their questions were shaped by their surroundings and upbring. When a tornado wiped out their village they thought that their God was furious at them. When it didn't rain for weeks and months, they thought that their God was punishing them. They didn't have the experience and knowledge to understand that the weather had nothing to do with God.

We've gotten to the point now that people can rationalize about their existence. This is why many young people don't believe in God today. They aren't held down by dogma. Just because their parents might believe in Christianity, it doesn't mean that they are going to do the same.

 

[Mai72]

I'm starting to believe that their is no afterlife. That when we pass away, life as we know it becomes a void. Nothing. Their is no light. No darkness, nothing. You don't experience anything.

It's like when you were born. Do you remember any of it? Of course not. Well, it's probably going to be the same when you die.

 

[flexy]

Ha. Counter question...

So..there is this time *before we were born*...but what happened that all-of-a-sudden we were born? Why should this process not repeat itself?

 

[sandorski]

Ha. Counter question...

So..there is this time *before we were born*...but what happened that all-of-a-sudden we were born? Why should this process not repeat itself?

Some Dude knocked up some Chick.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Nothing "in nature" comes about without a need/reason, and I think if we humans hadn't actually needed our intellect the brain/mind would not have evolved.

As someone who has studied biology, I have to correct you here.

I remember my professor asking on the first day of class "what is needed for evolution?"

I said "a need/reason" and he said that wasn't a requirement. After I thought about it (this was years ago) I understood why, and also just how - basic - evolution is.

All evolution is, is mutations combined with the passing on of genetic code. Evolution isn't even "survival of the fittest" (this phrase is a common mistake).

- The copying of DNA isn't perfect. The code isn't copied correctly so that leads to mutations.

- These mutations lead to changes in the organism. That's it. Just changes.

- Sometimes these changes help the organism to survive long enough to reproduce. For these changes to last within the *species*, they must be passed on successfully to a large number of subsequent organisms that manage successfully to also survive until reproduction. It does no good if a single proto-wolf mutates to have sharp claws but its five offspring all die in a flood before they get a chance to reproduce.

- This also illustrates environmental factors. Say a mutation allows a wolf to survive in high CO2 environments. The species lives in a normal CO2 environment so this mutation doesn't help or hinder the species and it gets passed on through completely unrelated circumstances through the generations. Then the area where the species lives gets hit by an unprecedented number of volcanoes and forest fires 500 years later. The members of this species that just happen to have this mutation are able to then survive better until reproduction and so a majority of the population as a whole now have this gene. Shit happened, and the mutation, which happened generations ago now happens to help these organisms. Again, there wasn't a "reason" initially to have this mutation, but because it proved useful at some other point in the species' history, it ended up persisting more overall.

- A lot of times these changes literally do *nothing* when it comes to helping an organism survive until reproduction. They don't help or hinder it, such as a mutation that, say, makes a wolf's claws a tiny, slightly different shade of color. If the organism is good at reproducing otherwise, this slightly different shade of claw color will still get passed onto subsequent generations, and even to the entire species, even though it literally has no survival value and therefore no "reason" for being there other than there was a copying error during DNA replication and the organisms that had it were good at reproducing for other, completely unrelated, reasons.

- The same can be said for changes that can help the organism or even *hurt* an organism, but not on such a scale that it really determines the organism's chances of surviving until reproduction. A mutation that makes a female wolf get cancer and die after entering menopause will *still get passed on to the species* if the wolves with this gene are otherwise still good at surviving until reproduction. Let that sink in. A mutation that literally ensures the death of an organism will still be passed on, as long as it doesn't hinder it from reproduction.

- Likewise, a mutation that, say, lets a wolf get really big and strong, but only after it has entered menopause, doesn't help it and the species survive until reproduction, even though it sounds AWESOME and would help the individual organism survive. The ability for this mutation to persist in the species is completely independent of the mutation itself, because it has no bearing on reproduction success.

 

[soulcougher73]

Ha. Counter question...

So..there is this time *before we were born*...but what happened that all-of-a-sudden we were born? Why should this process not repeat itself?

It does repeat itself daily, thousands of times. Go blow your load in a chick and see what happens

In fact, it repeats itself too much, hence Idiocracy being a documentary