If god really never existed...

[nakedfrog]

Why do you believe the Christians over the Jews?

You're also not accounting for extremely low literacy rates, and the heavy-handed way the Christian church of old dealt with conversion and destruction of heretical volumes.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

each major religion is the anti-religion for every other

also, they were much less tolerant back in the day. would probably ousted from society or worse if you did not conform. probably have a lot of people faking it.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
... then how come there's no "anti-bible" from biblical times?

In other words, so many people in modern day times are quick to say "thanks for dumbing us down", or "oh god, here comes another bible story again". Perhaps these people consider themselves more educated or logical. Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bang theory and discount biblical claims. Perhaps they just don't want to believe in something they can't see. I don't know the reasons - but for all the people on these forums who consider themselves religious and/or god believing, there are also those who worship a spaghetti monster.

So my question is: where are these "spaghetti monster" worshipers of biblical times? Where are the books written from people in that age that say "The truth about the bible", and have some guy writing from his desk about how he overheard someone outside his hut talking about writing this fictional book called "The bible" and how it was going to make him millions. I don't know -- if the bible is a document that is supposed to accurately depict how life was during the age of Jesus, why aren't there any significant books that counter-act his existence from that time period?



Disclaimer: I have no idea how I feel about religion or god and I'm still making up my mind. So this argument is neutral and should not be taken as a pro-bible or anti-bible argument.

This is such a weird question. Why is there no anti-Bible? What does that even mean???

Doesn't the fact that there are no other books to corroborate the Jesus story counter-act his existence from that time period? If such a man existed and did the things the Bible claims he did, you'd think there would be thousands of books about him.

 

[udneekgnim]

Originally posted by: jonks
What was L. Ron Hubbard's burning bush?

stupid people

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: udneekgnim

Originally posted by: jonks
What was L. Ron Hubbard's burning bush?

stupid people

I'm semi-serious. Anyone know where he claims he got the knowledge that millions of years ago Xenu f'd up our volcanoes with thetans? Was there a prophet or deity involved in this somewhere?

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

yes, you will destroy the wisdom of the wise by endorsing slavery, genocide, rape, infanticide, and claiming the sun revolves around the earth, that the earth is flat, is 6000 years old, and other such nonsense.

meanwhile the scribes are the ones who have helped invent the computer and the internet with which you are posting your stupidity on.

good job.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: nonameo
they were probably killed.

This is true, or else they went into hiding.

 

[sandorski]

Question makes no sense, for many reasons.

1) The "Bible" didn't exist until 300(ish) AD. Before that there were many separate pieces of LIterature that eventually were put together into what we call the Bible.
2) There were many other pieces of Literature that are not part of the Bible. They had/have absolutely no relation to the Bible or those who held the books of the Bible in high esteem. In essence, there are your "Anti" Bibles right there.

3) You ever read the Bible? Back then, writing a criticism of the books of the Bible could very well have cost you your Life. Not much incentive to do so and even if someone had the gumption, they and their writings would likely end up destroyed. Ancient Israel was not a bastion of Freedom, Liberty, and Free Speech.

4) Everyone outside of Ancient Israel were too concerned with their own Religion to worry about countering the Religion in Israel.

5) Most other Religious Texts of the time were abandoned as people found them to be BS. Eventually the Religions of the Bible will meet the same fate for the same reasons.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: jonks
What was L. Ron Hubbard's burning bush?

The mighty dollar.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

If Allah really never existed...

... then how come there's no "anti-Qur'an" from Qur'an times?

 

[MrWizzard]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
A. Nice troll post

B. I would like to learn more about this "big bank" theory.

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bank theory

ummmmmmm no you are the troll.

And Ol'Betsy is ugly! so there.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

Fair enough. I just wish there were other crutches that people in dispair could turn to. Fairy tales about Jewish zombie carpenters, talking snakes, and a "young earth" are not productive.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: MrWizzard

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
A. Nice troll post

B. I would like to learn more about this "big bank" theory.

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bank theory

ummmmmmm no you are the troll.

And Ol'Betsy is ugly! so there.

You sir, have crossed the line. I challenge you to a dual.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

Fair enough. I just wish there were other crutches that people in dispair could turn to. Fairy tales about Jewish zombie carpenters, talking snakes, and a "young earth" are not productive.

Woah, you mean "Better Nate than Lever" is right out of the Bible?

 

[Kadarin]

Once the Council of Nicaea had decided on a particular doctrine to bless as "official", the Catholic Church subsequently (throughout the Middle Ages) did an outstanding job of exterminating heretics, or those who followed different doctrine.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

Fair enough. I just wish there were other crutches that people in dispair could turn to. Fairy tales about Jewish zombie carpenters, talking snakes, and a "young earth" are not productive.

There are many millions of people who would disagree with your statement. One of the best quotes I have ever heard regarding God is simple and to the point:

"Who am I to say there is no God?"

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

Fair enough. I just wish there were other crutches that people in dispair could turn to. Fairy tales about Jewish zombie carpenters, talking snakes, and a "young earth" are not productive.

There are many millions of people who would disagree with your statement. One of the best quotes I have ever heard regarding God is simple and to the point:

"Who am I to say there is no God?"

We could do this dance for 3 pages. Niether one of us will get anywhere with the other, so lets spare the good people of ATOT.

 

[alkemyst]

the reason there are not 'anti-bibles' is because during a LONG FREAKING time speaking out against Christianity or even if they thought you thought against it resulted in you being 'cleansed' and put to death.

Any book at the time was a huge undertaking to get into other's hands (all was scribed).

Plus history played a big part where a King/Ruler would basically order any books they didn't agree with burned (once the one book was gone, chances are there wasn't another copy...they didn't have Amazon back then).

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

Fair enough. I just wish there were other crutches that people in dispair could turn to. Fairy tales about Jewish zombie carpenters, talking snakes, and a "young earth" are not productive.

There are many millions of people who would disagree with your statement. One of the best quotes I have ever heard regarding God is simple and to the point:

"Who am I to say there is no God?"

Strangely enough, millions of people would agree with it, too

 

[LtPage1]

Who cares if there's a god or not? You'll never know, so why think about it? Personally, I think the most insane thing about religion is the idea that human beings could possibly accurately grasp the concept of a supreme being, and that if we somehow did, that being would care. But you can't know. And it won't ever affect you in any way. At all. Ever. Duh. So why argue?

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Logic: The Anti-bible.

Corinthians 1:19:

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the learning of the learned I will set aside. Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of the world foolish? For since in the wisdom of God the world did not come to know God through wisdom, it was the will of God through the foolishness of the proclamation to save those who have faith.

They must have got you really young. I'm sorry

Actually no. I was agnostic for many, many years. Up until a couple months ago, I had never really read the Bible.

I came to a crossroads in a my life where I came to realize that my life was useless the way I was living it. I was on a path of destruction...destroying myself and many other's lives as well. I found a new way of living and believing that makes sense to me. I don't fully understand religion (I consider myself more spiritual) but do believe that the Bible is God's instruction manual for life.

I would never try to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will happily defend and explain them to anyone who wants to listen.

Why can't all religious people think along these lines? Kudos to you sir.:thumbsup:

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: rudeguy
There are many millions of people who would disagree with your statement. One of the best quotes I have ever heard regarding God is simple and to the point:

"Who am I to say there is no God?"

We could do this dance for 3 pages. Niether one of us will get anywhere with the other, so lets spare the good people of ATOT.

You and him--flagpole, three o'clock.