If I decide to identify as an African American, am I entitled to Affirmative Action benefits?

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1prophet

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Maybe a scholarship.


Again, for all the smart leftists here that understand this kind of thing, please explain to me, I'm so very ignorant. If I don't have genetic make up to be an African American, why can't I be an African American if I feel like it? This is the question given that a biological male can decide he is a woman if that's how he feels, use women's rest rooms, expect to be called "she", etc. despite a complete lack of the genetics required to be a woman. This is a simple question guys, please explain.

Rachel Dolezal like transgenders 30 years ago was ahead of her time, but that time is coming, when society decides it is acceptable to be race-fluid expect the floodgates to open.

Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue
Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
More than 100 years ago, American sociologist W.E.B. Du Bois was concerned that race was being used as a biological explanation for what he understood to be social and cultural differences between different populations of people. He spoke out against the idea of "white" and "black" as discrete groups, claiming that these distinctions ignored the scope of human diversity.

Science would favor Du Bois. Today, the mainstream belief among scientists is that race is a social construct without biological meaning. And yet, you might still open a study on genetics in a major scientific journal and find categories like "white" and "black" being used as biological variables.

In an article published today (Feb. 4) in the journal Science, four scholars say racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out. [Unraveling the Human Genome: 6 Molecular Milestones]

They've called on the U.S. National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine to put together a panel of experts across the biological and social sciences to come up with ways for researchers to shift away from the racial concept in genetics research.

"It's a concept we think is too crude to provide useful information, it's a concept that has social meaning that interferes in the scientific understanding of human genetic diversity and it's a concept that we are not the first to call upon moving away from," said Michael Yudell, a professor of public health at Drexel University in Philadelphia.

Yudell said that modern genetics research is operating in a paradox, which is that race is understood to be a useful tool to elucidate human genetic diversity, but on the other hand, race is also understood to be a poorly defined marker of that diversity and an imprecise proxy for the relationship between ancestry and genetics.

"Essentially, I could not agree more with the authors," said Svante Pääbo, a biologist and director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany, who worked on the Neanderthal genome but was not involved with the new paper.

"What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one, even when recent migration is disregarded," Pääbo told Live Science. "It is all a question of differences in how frequent different variants are on different continents and in different regions."

In one example that demonstrated genetic differences were not fixed along racial lines, the full genomes of James Watson and Craig Venter, two famous American scientists of European ancestry, were compared to that of a Korean scientist, Seong-Jin Kim. It turned out that Watson (who, ironically, became ostracized in the scientific community after making racist remarks) and Venter shared fewer variations in their genetic sequences than they each shared with Kim.

Assumptions about genetic differences between people of different races have had obvious social and historical repercussions, and they still threaten to fuel racist beliefs. That was apparent two years ago, when several scientists bristled at the inclusion of their research in Nicholas Wade's controversial book, "A Troublesome Inheritance" (Penguin Press, 2014), which proposed that genetic selection has given rise to distinct behaviors among different populations. In a letter to The New York Times, five researchers wrote that "Wade juxtaposes an incomplete and inaccurate account of our research on human genetic differences with speculation that recent natural selection has led to worldwide differences in IQ test results, political institutions and economic development."

The authors of the new Science article noted that racial assumptions could also be particularly dangerous in a medical setting.

"If you make clinical predictions based on somebody's race, you're going to be wrong a good chunk of the time," Yudell told Live Science. In the paper, he and his colleagues used the example of cystic fibrosis, which is underdiagnosed in people of African ancestry because it is thought of as a "white" disease. [The Best Genealogy Software for Tracing Your Family Tree]

Mindy Fullilove, a psychiatrist at Columbia University, thinks the changes proposed in the Science article are "badly needed." Fullilove noted that by some laws in the United States, people with one black ancestor of 32 might be called "black," but their 31 other ancestors are also important in influencing their health.

"This is a cogent and important call for us to shift our work," Fullilove said. "It will have an enormous influence. And it will make for better science."

So what other variables could be used if the racial concept is thrown out? Pääbo said geography might be a better substitute in regions such as Europe to define "populations" from a genetic perspective. However, he added that, in North America, where the majority of the population has come from different parts of the world during the past 300 years, distinctions like "African Americans" or "European Americans" might still work as a proxy to suggest where a person's major ancestry originated.

Yudell also said scientists need to get more specific with their language, perhaps using terms like "ancestry" or "population" that might more precisely reflect the relationship between humans and their genes, on both the individual and population level. The researchers also acknowledged that there are a few areas where race as a construct might still be useful in scientific research: as a political and social, but not biological, variable.

"While we argue phasing out racial terminology in the biological sciences, we also acknowledge that using race as a political or social category to study racism, although filled with lots of challenges, remains necessary given our need to understand how structural inequities and discrimination produce health disparities between groups," Yudell said.


 

dainthomas

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There is quite a bit of theory on racial identification being a construct that supersedes biology. Of course, by biology really I mean by observed characteristics for which genetics doesn't really support either.

This. Scientifically speaking, race doesn't exist. As there is more genetic diversity within what people consider a "race" than there is between "races". All this angst and discrimination over a few very superficial characteristics.

The human mind loves constructing patterns where none exist, and also loves categorizing things. Unfortunately this supersedes reason in a lot of people.
 

Viper1j

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Still no explanations. I think that is because there simply isn't a logical explanation.

If I have no DNA that says I'm African American, I'm not. If I don't have the genetic make up to be a woman, who cares? /lib logic

I dare you to trade places.

 

DigDog

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No officer, i identify as a 17yo so i'm protected by the Romeo & Jul... WHAT ARE YOU D.. STOP HEY I SAID I IDENT HELP HELP I AM BEING OPPRESSED
 

sactoking

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If I decide to identify as a billionaire am I entitled to pay income taxes at a rate disproportionately lower than the general population by about 3 orders of magnitude?
 
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DigDog

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Also can we stop saying "scientifically race doesnt exist". Scientifically race DOES exist, we dont use the term "race", but we know that a Caucasoid and a Negroid are NOT the same.



If you really must, you can replace the word "race" with the word "taxonomy". Which you shouldn't do, because "race" is a completely valid colloquialism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
 

Moonbeam

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If sex/gender are fluid, if a man can be a woman or vice versa because he/she feels like it, why can't one decide they're a different race? Or a different age? Why is that any different? Can I decide that I am a 70 year old African American and be entitled to social security, scolarships, etc.? If not, how can that be explained while still logically saying a man can be a woman or vice versa, based on their feelings?
On the plus side, this is an easy question to answer. On the minus sign, you do not have to capacity to understand the answer so answering it to you would be a waste of time. You are so full of egotistical pride in what you imagine to be the cleverness of your question you will never allow yourself to realize the utter imbecility of the analogy you are attempting to draw. What about your posting shows any capacity to honestly face yourself?
 
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I’m still waiting to hear what guaranteed benefit a black guy gets over a white guy. Needs to be in writing from a business (legitimate business) or some Government policy.
Let me know when it appears please.
 

sactoking

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Also, to answer the question in the thread title, yes you can declare yourself to be African American and reap the benefits. You just need to find a surgeon willing to perform the negroplasty and find some testicles that you're willing to have implanted into your knees.
 
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SlowSpyder

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As I've recommended before you're probably better off just saying 'I don't understand what gender is.'


I understand what gender is. With that in mind, how can it be a fineable offense to call a man a man if he identifies as a woman?
 

SlowSpyder

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Still, you guys have offered nothing of substance. If I'm genetically a man and want to be called a she, piss in the ladies room, mark the x on the application for woman, etc., why is that acceptable but I cannot do the same things if I identify as an African American? In both cases my biology does not support my choice, the DNA just isn't there. But playing make believe for one case you think is about equal rights, in the other case the left rejects that it can happen.

And just putting this out there, arguing gender roles in society is one thing. Arguing that a man is a woman is another.
 
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Still, you guys have offered nothing of substance. If I'm genetically a man and want to be called a she, piss in the ladies room, mark the x on the application for woman, etc., why is that acceptable but I cannot do the same things if I identify as an African American? In both cases my biology does not support my choice, the DNA just isn't there. But playing make believe for one case you think is about equal rights, in the other case the left rejects that it can happen.

And just putting this out there, arguing gender roles in society is one thing. Arguing that a man is a woman is another.

I’ll say it again. Go for it, apply for those mythical benefits all the black people get that you don’t.
I’m not kidding go out and apply for stuff, let us know how it works out.
 
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If sex/gender are fluid, if a man can be a woman or vice versa because he/she feels like it, why can't one decide they're a different race? Or a different age? Why is that any different? Can I decide that I am a 70 year old African American and be entitled to social security, scolarships, etc.? If not, how can that be explained while still logically saying a man can be a woman or vice versa, based on their feelings?

Go for it bunky. Let us know how it all turns out in a few years.
 

Viper1j

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Also, to answer the question in the thread title, yes you can declare yourself to be African American and reap the benefits. You just need to find a surgeon willing to perform the negroplasty and find some testicles that you're willing to have implanted into your knees.

Maybe he really wants to be a dolphin.
 
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Seconded. Have at it, sport.
Go for it bunky. Let us know how it all turns out in a few years.

Hey maybe he’ll learn most of the benefits are income based and start earning less money then suddenly realize it’s tough to provide for my family at 21k per year even with the shitty free cheese and pain in the ass snap cards and my Obama phone is close to useless.
 

ch33zw1z

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Hey maybe he’ll learn most of the benefits are income based and start earning less money then suddenly realize it’s tough to provide for my family at 21k per year even with the shitty free cheese and pain in the ass snap cards and my Obama phone is close to useless.

Agreed. Not as easy or fun as it sounds. Working two or three part time jobs to provide is certainly a crushing task for most.
 

dank69

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What benefits do you think a transgender person gets that men do not get?
 
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