Don't let your local police hear you...
Also can we stop saying "scientifically race doesnt exist". Scientifically race DOES exist, we dont use the term "race", but we know that a Caucasoid and a Negroid are NOT the same.
If you really must, you can replace the word "race" with the word "taxonomy". Which you shouldn't do, because "race" is a completely valid colloquialism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
Still, you guys have offered nothing of substance. If I'm genetically a man and want to be called a she, piss in the ladies room, mark the x on the application for woman, etc., why is that acceptable but I cannot do the same things if I identify as an African American? In both cases my biology does not support my choice, the DNA just isn't there. But playing make believe for one case you think is about equal rights, in the other case the left rejects that it can happen.
And just putting this out there, arguing gender roles in society is one thing. Arguing that a man is a woman is another.
Gender is not a choice. It is not necessarily static, and there's no way to test for it other than what a person asserts. They might even lie. But if we know that a significant number of people have different genders than their biologic sex, why should we discriminate against people by taking away their freedom to assert their gender? And this is presuming a singular dimension and identity regarding gender.
Is it because you fear some people might lie about their gender identity for gain? Ok. Give me some data on how often that happens and what the consequences of it are. Then we might be able to judge whether we think that risk is compelling to drive policy.
Maybe a scholarship.
Again, for all the smart leftists here that understand this kind of thing, please explain to me, I'm so very ignorant. If I don't have genetic make up to be an African American, why can't I be an African American if I feel like it? This is the question given that a biological male can decide he is a woman if that's how he feels, use women's rest rooms, expect to be called "she", etc. despite a complete lack of the genetics required to be a woman. This is a simple question guys, please explain.
...Can I decide that I am a 70 year old African American and be entitled to social security, scolarships, etc.?
What benefits do you think a transgender person gets that men do not get?
As to the OP's question, this also is not an easy question. Because even if someone is a certain percentage of an ethnicity or race, how much makes it "official"? 1%? 5%? 20%? Or like you say, if someone isn't at all, but they claim to be because of reasons, then by the same standard they should be seen as whatever they claim. Not some outlandish example you gave as a 70 year old getting SSN bennies though. Thats just dumb. People are already claiming to be a race that they are not and getting benefits. Warren is the latest example. Shaun King, Rachel Dolezal, and more. Which begs the question, if there is a white privilege, why claim another race than white when they obviously are white? So Warren can be the first "women of color" in that position at Harvard? Seems like she stole that title from someone who really deserves it.
With more blending of races and such, this will also get muddier. Personally I love when races blend, embracing each others cultures and backgrounds can be very bonding. And healing. Yet at the same time, more difficult. Because mixed people can get shit on by both sides of their race, or how ever many sides there are. This is especially true in the black culture from what I have experienced. You can be too dark, not dark enough, live in the wrong part of town, talk too proper, talk too hood, wear the wrong clothes, do something to lose your "black card", etc. All of this is ridiculous, yet true at the same time. There can be so much division within blacks. Light skinned black people are hated on by their own damn people. Then its celebrated. In songs, movies, articles, etc. One of the top rap songs does this right now.
I went off on a mini rant, its just frustrating. There is nothing wrong with being black, white, mixed, or anything else. Trying to make people look or act a certain way because of what "they are", is dumb. Anyways.
Huff Po begs to differ, at least when its convenient for them to do so. DNA tests confirm that a viking thought to be a man, is indeed a women. How did they find this out? By testing it.
As to some data on how often it happens and what the consequences are, thats a little more difficult. There are more and more instances where a man decides to be a female, and them complete in a sport. Without taking anything to lower the test. Just recently a cyclist who is a male beat women, in a female race. Then called anyone who opposes him to race in it a transphobic bigot. This same person railed against requirements that would make men who claim to be women suppress their test. This same person claims that the extra muscle and test gives them no benefit at all. Which is complete bullshit.
Admittedly this is a very complex topic. And the people getting screwed the worst, are females. The fact is, that men are generally faster and stronger. Allowing men who claim to be women, compete against women should not happen. Without taking anything to suppress their born advantage, women will be phased out in competition. Its already happened in several cases, from track, wrestling, weight lifting, cycling, and more. There is a reason men and women are separated in most sports. If men and women competed in the same 100m race in the Olympics, the women would never, ever, ever place. They would lose, by a lot. Thats not being bias, its just factual. I don't believe its fair to women to allow men to compete with them just by claiming to be a female.
Should trans people be able to compete? Absolutely they should. There is not a easy answer for this, and nothing will make anyone happy. Its going to get more messy before it gets better. There are plenty of women who are upset at this, like the ones who lost to the cyclist in the latest news. They're being shamed for being bigots, when thats not even the case. Women are going to continue to get screwed over by this. There have been college scholarships lost by women over this issue, and more will happen. Opening up competition for all, men, women, trans, and whatever else there is out there would be a disaster. Women would be gone, it would be all men in most cases. I don't claim to have an answer, I just dont think its fair for a man to compete in anything physical with women, just by claiming they're female.
Still no explanations. I think that is because there simply isn't a logical explanation.
If I have no DNA that says I'm African American, I'm not. If I don't have the genetic make up to be a woman, who cares? /lib logic
uff Po begs to differ, at least when its convenient for them to do so. DNA tests confirm that a viking thought to be a man, is indeed a women. How did they find this out? By testing it.
As to some data on how often it happens and what the consequences are, thats a little more difficult. There are more and more instances where a man decides to be a female, and them complete in a sport. Without taking anything to lower the test. Just recently a cyclist who is a male beat women, in a female race. Then called anyone who opposes him to race in it a transphobic bigot. This same person railed against requirements that would make men who claim to be women suppress their test. This same person claims that the extra muscle and test gives them no benefit at all. Which is complete bullshit.
Admittedly this is a very complex topic. And the people getting screwed the worst, are females. The fact is, that men are generally faster and stronger. Allowing men who claim to be women, compete against women should not happen. Without taking anything to suppress their born advantage, women will be phased out in competition. Its already happened in several cases, from track, wrestling, weight lifting, cycling, and more. There is a reason men and women are separated in most sports. If men and women competed in the same 100m race in the Olympics, the women would never, ever, ever place. They would lose, by a lot. Thats not being bias, its just factual. I don't believe its fair to women to allow men to compete with them just by claiming to be a female.
Should trans people be able to compete? Absolutely they should. There is not a easy answer for this, and nothing will make anyone happy. Its going to get more messy before it gets better. There are plenty of women who are upset at this, like the ones who lost to the cyclist in the latest news. They're being shamed for being bigots, when thats not even the case. Women are going to continue to get screwed over by this. There have been college scholarships lost by women over this issue, and more will happen. Opening up competition for all, men, women, trans, and whatever else there is out there would be a disaster. Women would be gone, it would be all men in most cases. I don't claim to have an answer, I just dont think its fair for a man to compete in anything physical with women, just by claiming they're female.
We should start a list of basic words Spidey doesn't understand. Racism and Gender would definitely be at the top of the list.Jesus ffffffkin christ, the thing given to the historically disenfranchised as a means to level the playingfield, THATS what you are using for your case study? And yet, somehow, according to you, it is the left that drives racism today.
Smoke some more meth please, you are doing GREAT!
I know from personal experience that Slow will absolutely not read anything that conflicts with his preconceived notions. He's nothing more than an intellectually dishonest common troll. Would be better if he were ignored. Eski had already recommended he research the question and report back (obviously this isn't a novel idea), but he will certainly not be doing that.Since apparently you can only spew stupidity on these forums and not actually Google/Read/Educate yourself, I will at least try to help you get started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363.php
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sex-gender-and-sexuality-its-complicated/
READ that.
THINK about that.
LEARN that.
... then KEEP READING.
Still no explanations. I think that is because there simply isn't a logical explanation.
If I have no DNA that says I'm African American, I'm not. If I don't have the genetic make up to be a woman, who cares? /lib logic
People questioning their gender identity could be offered brain scans to determine whether they are transgender, according to a new study.
Breakthrough research has revealed for the first time evidence that the brain activity of people who feel they inhabit the wrong body closely resembles that of the gender they want to embrace.
Analysis of around 160 participants showed that biological males with gender dysphoria - the experience of discomfort or distress due to their biological sex - had a brain structure and neurological patterns similar to biological females, and vice versa.
The analysis revealed that the distinct neurological differences are detectable during childhood.
Lou Reed thinks you're an assholeLou Reed : I Wanna Be Black
c:1977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ehoomjQjfI
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I don't wanna be a fucked up, middle class, college student anymore
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"Standing on the corner, suitcase in my hand".......................... RIP Lou.Lou Reed thinks you're an asshole
Lou Reed thinks you're an asshole."Standing on the corner, suitcase in my hand".......................... RIP Lou.
Awww you big meanie.Lou Reed thinks you're an asshole.
If sex/gender are fluid, if a man can be a woman or vice versa because he/she feels like it, why can't one decide they're a different race? Or a different age? Why is that any different? Can I decide that I am a 70 year old African American and be entitled to social security, scolarships, etc.? If not, how can that be explained while still logically saying a man can be a woman or vice versa, based on their feelings?
Going from deplorable to despicable are you?If sex/gender are fluid, if a man can be a woman or vice versa because he/she feels like it, why can't one decide they're a different race? Or a different age? Why is that any different? Can I decide that I am a 70 year old African American and be entitled to social security, scolarships, etc.? If not, how can that be explained while still logically saying a man can be a woman or vice versa, based on their feelings?
then he can be the only true black person in the world.I suppose that if you're willing to go to the same lengths to be black that transgenders go through then we all could consider you to be black. Start with a full body tattoo to change your skin color, maybe a little facial reconstruction & you can be accepted as black. Go for it.
why should we when you never do?Still, you guys have offered nothing of substance. If I'm genetically a man and want to be called a she, piss in the ladies room, mark the x on the application for woman, etc., why is that acceptable but I cannot do the same things if I identify as an African American? In both cases my biology does not support my choice, the DNA just isn't there. But playing make believe for one case you think is about equal rights, in the other case the left rejects that it can happen.
And just putting this out there, arguing gender roles in society is one thing. Arguing that a man is a woman is another.