um... wow dude... I don't even know what to say. youre being delusional
the panel isn't the problem. the cheap shitty circuitry in the tv will die far before anything else.
That's not true. Current plasmas are a lot thinner and lighter than before, and use way less power than before, so that they're comparable to LCDs of years ago. However, during that same period, LCD technology has also progressed, so that LCD/LED is even thinner and lighter, and lower power than plasma on average.no hes spot on, weight, thickness and power consumption are non factors
And Samsung led the charge. They were soooooo good, people now think there are new LED TV's which are better than the old LCD's and plasmas.
New LED TV's are better than old LCD TV's, period. They are thinner, lighter, use less power, and wont yellow after a year of use. As for having better image than old Plasmas, that would need to be compared on a case by case basis. But many of the IPS based LED TV's have very good blacks, maybe not as good as a Plasma, but the majority of people could not tell the difference. Kind of like how the majority of people could not tell the difference between $100 dollar headphones and $500 headphones.
All this drivel and nobody still pointed out why LCD/LED wins over plasma... incredible.
90% of people will buy their TVs in a store (i.e. Best Buy, Costco, whatever), will not do research ahead of time, and will judge the TV solely on the picture they see, and the price tag. In the store, an LCD/LED will smack a plasma in every which way you can imagine, because the store will show you torch-mode panels sitting under bright lights. The plasma doesn't stand a chance.
The only people who buy plasma are those who go into a proper AV store, where the TVs are setup in dark theaters, and they see that plasma is far superior, or those who do research online, know what they want, and more often then not buy it online too.
These people constitute like 5-10% of the market. The other 90% buys LED.
End of story.
To the guy that said "you watch TV from the front", that is the stupidest comment here.
Hey JackBurton, what happened to your avatar?
Man, I don't know. I didn't notice it was gone until you mentioned it. It was an American flag, so they must have removed that avatar altogether.
So somehow it becomes an unavoidable law of physics that they chose to develop flash technology based SSDs instead of MRAM or SRAM or other unlimited write based ones, and such? You really need to get out more.
As for the other person saying it will outlast the backlight in LCDs... um, the backlight in current ones are LEDs, and they have a life based on how hard they are driven - they could make LEDs that last literally thousands of years with quite bright output, but they don't. Another perfect example of what I mean. Also, the backlight is replacable in the older ones, I have done so myself more than once. That is most definitely not the same thing as the base device having a set limited life to it.
Torch mode? I usually turn my monitors and TVs as bright as they will go to approximate reality. The only place a dim screen is acceptable is in a dark "home theatre" room.
It's not an LED TV!! Do you refer to the "old LCD" as a CCFL TV? It's an LCD with an LED light source, but it's still an LCD. Period. Christ, that is so annoying.
And no, all LED based LCD's are not better than a traditional CCFL LCD across the board. The majority of the LED LCD's are edge lit, and they're junk. If you are hell bent on purchasing an LED based LCD, a full array LED backlit LCD is the only way to go. That is the only type of LCD that can come anywhere close to competing with a plasma's black level. And the 2 currently on the market are Sony's HX950 and Sharp's Elite X5FD, both are priced MUCH higher than a comping plasma.
Secondly, motion is still an issue with even the best LCD's. Even the average Joe Blow can see the difference. Some don't mind it, others hate it. Personally, I can't stand it (I'm somewhat of a purist). My wife is no technical guru when it comes to TV's (hell, she couldn't tell you the difference between an LCD or a plasma), but when she sees a movie playing on an LCD in the store, she immediately makes the comment, "hey, it's doing that weird thing." She doesn't know the technical term for it (frame interpolation), but she knows it doesn't look like it should and hates it. Sure you can turn down the settings to reduce the effect, but then you just unmask the LCD's true issue with motion.
These stupid reasons for buying an LCD (weight, power savings, thinness, apps) are just marketing gimmicks to get people to look past what should be the most important aspect of an HDTV, picture quality and performance. That's where most fail, and why LCD manufactures have to use these stupid marketing gimmicks to get the general public to buy in. And apparently it's a GREAT strategy, because it's working.
And just a side note, one of the best LCD's ever produced was Sony's XBR8, which was a fully backlit RGB LED set. Fantastic LCD. Too bad it was just too expensive to keep producing. Oh, and it was one of the thickest flat panels I've ever seen at almost half a foot deep.
Trying to convince the market to rate anything based on it's merits instead of marketing is... well... a fools game. Sad, but true. Thing is, you don't need everyone else in the world to have properly calibrated and color corrected TVs, just you. Let the rest of the world buy what looks good to them. It doesn't hurt you!
That's exactly why you and the mass likes LCDs better. A properly calibrated display should put out between 80-120 cd/m2 in a dark room, and 120-160 cd/m2 in a bright room.
LCDs in the store are set up with max brightness and put out 300-400 cd/m2, completely skewing the color temperature, black level, contrast, and gamma. Of course, they look much brighter and more colorful then any plasma, which can barely approach 200 cd/m2 with the brightness turned all the way up, even before discounting any glare . The dumb consumer likes this, because in the bright store everything just pops more on the LCD.
Trying to convince the market to rate anything based on it's merits instead of marketing is... well... a fools game. Sad, but true. Thing is, you don't need everyone else in the world to have properly calibrated and color corrected TVs, just you. Let the rest of the world buy what looks good to them. It doesn't hurt you!
Sounds like plasmas need to step up their game then. Call me dumb all you want, but if people prefer brighter and over saturated, and pop then "they" are right. That's equates to a shortcoming on the plasma side, not stupidity on the consumer side. It's called preference. Just because someone says "it should be like this" doesn't mean it's to everyones taste. That's why they put those picture changing options on the the sets, otherwise, they could just leave them completely off and say "this is how it looks, deal with it".
ok, you are dumb, if you think that a TV displaying PROPER COLORS is wrong because marketing people convinced the slackjawed masses that its how is should be, just to cover the flaws of their products
hey I have some asbestos and uranium clothes to sell you, right after my marketing guys get a catchy slogan and I pay some other morons to tell you they are awesome! :whiste:
(yeah I went with a strawman, it seemed appropriate)
How does marketing impact my visual preference? I looked for nearly 6 months at many more TV's than I could care to count. I've seen calibrated plasmas. The only thing "better' about them were black levels.