If Plasma is superior to LCD, and cheaper, why is it not selling well?

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olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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LOL! "Bulb replacement." I can't tell you how many times I've had to replace the bulb on my plasma. Horrible I tell you!
Mine too.
But I've found if you unscrew it really, really, fast, the plasma gas doesn't come out.
 

Drako

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Jun 9, 2007
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LOL! "Bulb replacement." I can't tell you how many times I've had to replace the bulb on my plasma. Horrible I tell you!

I have one of those horrible plasma sets that does not allow me to replace the bulbs. I knew I should have bought a LCD set

 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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Mine too.
But I've found if you unscrew it really, really, fast, the plasma gas doesn't come out.

Man, that plasma gas smells bad too. The last time I had to change out the bulb, the gas leaked out everywhere and I had to keep the windows open all night. Not to mention plasma gas is expensive. I have a 60" plasma so it took like 10 gallons to refill it back up! I learned my lesson though. Never leave the lid open when changing the bulb.
 
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JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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I have one of those horrible plasma sets that does not allow me to replace the bulbs. I knew I should have bought a LCD set


Yeah, some of them come with the lid permanently sealed so you can't replace your own bulb. They do that on purpose though, so when your bulb goes bad you have to buy a whole new plasma! It's a scam I tell you!
 

reallyscrued

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Jul 28, 2004
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*Sigh* Bulb went out in my plasma again.

Called Panasonic and they acted like they had no idea what I was talking about.

I'm done buying from them, incompetent service, really.
 

njdevilsfan87

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Apr 19, 2007
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*Sigh* Bulb went out in my plasma again.

Called Panasonic and they acted like they had no idea what I was talking about.

I'm done buying from them, incompetent service, really.

I heard all you have to do to recharge it is just attach the bulb to a lightning rod before a big storm rolls through. It's very simple, really.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
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Just pissing me off right now. I want a tv but they all seem to have problems unless you pay$$ even then you have to calibrate this, burn in that, stand on your toes and touch your nose for a hundred hours.

I have a inch 160 pound Sony Wega that I have had for 8 + years but is starting to die. Before that for more then 15 years I had 27 inch triniton. Both were plug and play TV, none of this burn in image or retention crap. I did nothing turned them on end enjoyed them for over two decades.

I have a LG 60 plasma on hold at MC but now I find out folks are having ghosting problems and shadow problems and it has high gloss black plastic trim which I hate!

At this point I might just say F-it and get an LED. but they have problems to!
God dam it I just want a tv!

thank you..
Not happy in MD
 

Matt1970

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Mar 19, 2007
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You guys are clearly not checking the fluid levels regularly on your plasma sets if they are going through bulbs like that. There is a button on the back of the set for that.
 

Born2bwire

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Oct 28, 2005
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Just pissing me off right now. I want a tv but they all seem to have problems unless you pay$$ even then you have to calibrate this, burn in that, stand on your toes and touch your nose for a hundred hours.

I have a inch 160 pound Sony Wega that I have had for 8 + years but is starting to die. Before that for more then 15 years I had 27 inch triniton. Both were plug and play TV, none of this burn in image or retention crap. I did nothing turned them on end enjoyed them for over two decades.

I have a LG 60 plasma on hold at MC but now I find out folks are having ghosting problems and shadow problems and it has high gloss black plastic trim which I hate!

At this point I might just say F-it and get an LED. but they have problems to!
God dam it I just want a tv!

thank you..
Not happy in MD
You could level a similar set of accusations at CRT. They are very large, heavy, and bulky. The glow of the phosphor decreases the sharpness, allowing for bleed. Geometry problems are almost always an issue. Resolution is low. And so on. What you are doing is trading one set of compromises that you have become comfortable with for a different set. I do not miss the fact that the last three CRT sets I had could never properly display a rectangular grid. Or that the geometry would change depending on the brightness of the picture. But the LCD set that I have does not have as good color and it has light bleed in the corners. But that did not stop me from enjoying it for the past 8 years that I have owned it. I think the vast majority of consumers will buy a TV and be able to sit down and still enjoy it. But it has only been with the advent of LCD and plasma that the consumers can actually attempt to achieve a high quality home theater and most of these complaints are going to arise from this kind of goal. Plus, the different technologies that are available allow us to point out and compare these limitations. CRT has some big problems with it, but nobody made a point about it because there was no alternative.

If you want a new TV, just get a new TV. Unless you are trying to get picture perfect results on a meager $2K budget then I doubt that the quoted limitations are going to be very noticeable, if even.
 

poofyhairguy

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Nov 20, 2005
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No one HAS TO break in a plasma. You just do that so you can properly calibrate it asap. If you don't care about calibration, just plug in and use.
 

JimKiler

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You could level a similar set of accusations at CRT. They are very large, heavy, and bulky. The glow of the phosphor decreases the sharpness, allowing for bleed. Geometry problems are almost always an issue. Resolution is low. And so on. What you are doing is trading one set of compromises that you have become comfortable with for a different set. I do not miss the fact that the last three CRT sets I had could never properly display a rectangular grid. Or that the geometry would change depending on the brightness of the picture. But the LCD set that I have does not have as good color and it has light bleed in the corners. But that did not stop me from enjoying it for the past 8 years that I have owned it. I think the vast majority of consumers will buy a TV and be able to sit down and still enjoy it. But it has only been with the advent of LCD and plasma that the consumers can actually attempt to achieve a high quality home theater and most of these complaints are going to arise from this kind of goal. Plus, the different technologies that are available allow us to point out and compare these limitations. CRT has some big problems with it, but nobody made a point about it because there was no alternative.

If you want a new TV, just get a new TV. Unless you are trying to get picture perfect results on a meager $2K budget then I doubt that the quoted limitations are going to be very noticeable, if even.

It is a great world when we can argue and complain about multiple TV technologies instead of all being stuck with one path like we did before LCD and Plasma were sold.
 

SlickSnake

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No one HAS TO break in a plasma. You just do that so you can properly calibrate it asap. If you don't care about calibration, just plug in and use.

Just an FYI, I did no "breaking in" of my 60" 2013 Panny plasma, and there was very little I had to do to calibrate the picture, too. I just looked on AVS Forum for some calibration settings that were pretty close to my liking. At first, I was hesitant to watch movies in a full aspect ratio (or letterboxed with black bars on the top or bottom) and would instead zoom in the picture losing some of the image because I was afraid 90 minutes to 3 hours plus for some movies would produce at least a temporary burn in of the black bars. Now, I don't worry about it, and I appear to have zero burn in issues with this 2013 model. And after looking at a few more 60" plus LCD LED displays at a few more stores that have various weird backlighting issues apparently due to the size of them, I couldn't be happier with the uniformity of the back lighting plasmas provide.

And just to be safe, I also picked up an extra plasma light bulb in case I ever need it.
It's the biggest 60" bulb I ever saw!
And it was over $500!
It barely fit in my vehicle!
Fortunately, I did keep the original shipping carton for the TV and stored it in there, though. :thumbsup:

I hadn't yet found a cheap local source for small tanks to refill the plasma gas when it all burns up.
All the local TV repair shops want to either sell me a tanker truck full, or have them service it themselves when it runs out. :thumbsdown:
What a ripoff! :|
They told me it's good to replace it every 10,000 hours or 10,000 movies, whichever occurs first. :hmm:
Otherwise it may implode from the internal vacuum and the exterior atmospheric pressures exerted on the screen when it's all burned up and exhausted.
 
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JimKiler

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Just an FYI, I did no "breaking in" of my 60" 2013 Panny plasma, and there was very little I had to do to calibrate the picture, too. I just looked on AVS Forum for some calibration settings that were pretty close to my liking. At first, I was hesitant to watch movies in a full aspect ratio (or letterboxed with black bars on the top or bottom) and would instead zoom in the picture losing some of the image because I was afraid 90 minutes to 3 hours plus for some movies would produce at least a temporary burn in of the black bars. Now, I don't worry about it, and I appear to have zero burn in issues with this 2013 model. And after looking at a few more 60" plus LCD LED displays at a few more stores that have various weird backlighting issues apparently due to the size of them, I couldn't be happier with the uniformity of the back lighting plasmas provide.

And just to be safe, I also picked up an extra plasma light bulb in case I ever need it.
It's the biggest 60" bulb I ever saw!
And it was over $500!
It barely fit in my vehicle!
Fortunately, I did keep the original shipping carton for the TV and stored it in there, though. :thumbsup:

I hadn't yet found a cheap local source for small tanks to refill the plasma gas when it all burns up.
All the local TV repair shops want to either sell me a tanker truck full, or have them service it themselves when it runs out. :thumbsdown:
What a ripoff! :|
They told me it's good to replace it every 10,000 hours or 10,000 movies, whichever occurs first. :hmm:
Otherwise it may implode from the internal vacuum and the exterior atmospheric pressures exerted on the screen when it's all burned up and exhausted.

Wait, i thought someone was being sarcastic about plasma refills. I assumed it was as important as blinker fluid for a car. I thought the life of plasma meant i do not need to refill the gas.

Are there an Plasma 4K sets announced or out?
 

RampantAndroid

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Jun 27, 2004
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Wait, i thought someone was being sarcastic about plasma refills. I assumed it was as important as blinker fluid for a car. I thought the life of plasma meant i do not need to refill the gas.

Are there an Plasma 4K sets announced or out?

It's sealed, he's being sarcastic.
 

McWatt

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But the LCD set that I have does not have as good color and it has light bleed in the corners. But that did not stop me from enjoying it for the past 8 years that I have owned it. I think the vast majority of consumers will buy a TV and be able to sit down and still enjoy it. But it has only been with the advent of LCD and plasma that the consumers can actually attempt to achieve a high quality home theater and most of these complaints are going to arise from this kind of goal.

This is true. Buy a modern LCD and you can be happy unless you're picky, in which case you're going to have to spend a lot on either a plasma or LCD at the high end. On the other hand, if you buy a plasma and haven't had one before there's a decent chance you'll learn that your high frequency hearing is above average and you'll be able to hear the buzz from every room of your house any time it's on.

When family asks me about plasma vs. LCD I tell them to get both from a store with a good return policy. If they're the type who won't jump through that hoop, LCD is a safe bet and plasma isn't.
 

RampantAndroid

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This is true. Buy a modern LCD and you can be happy unless you're picky, in which case you're going to have to spend a lot on either a plasma or LCD at the high end. On the other hand, if you buy a plasma and haven't had one before there's a decent chance you'll learn that your high frequency hearing is above average and you'll be able to hear the buzz from every room of your house any time it's on.

When family asks me about plasma vs. LCD I tell them to get both from a store with a good return policy. If they're the type who won't jump through that hoop, LCD is a safe bet and plasma isn't.

No. You're either going to spend LESS on a plasma and take in trade slightly higher power consumption, image retention and weight, or pay more for a super high end LCD that consumes a minute amount of less power, weighs less and doesn't have retention issues. Plasmas are GENERALLY cheaper than LCDs, unless you're buying an old Kuro.
 

Thebobo

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Jun 19, 2006
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Took the advice from folks here and said wtf and Picked up the 60" LG 5700. It normally sells for around 1100 but micro had a email sale for 700 and I price matched at a HHGregg (had to see the manager) since they delivered and took away my 32" 160 pound Wega dinosaur.

First the tv picture is awesome, can't believe how much shit I have missed over the years, warts, freckles and pimples everywhere now. I am glad I took the plunge, thanks all for the push.
 

iRONic

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Jan 28, 2006
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Took the advice from folks here and said wtf and Picked up the 60" LG 5700. It normally sells for around 1100 but micro had a email sale for 700 and I price matched at a HHGregg (had to see the manager) since they delivered and took away my 32" 160 pound Wega dinosaur.

First the tv picture is awesome, can't believe how much shit I have missed over the years, warts, freckles and pimples everywhere now. I am glad I took the plunge, thanks all for the push.
HDTVs are great for other genres besides porn.
 

mkmitch

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I have to lean over the top of my plasma while the tv is on mute to hear any buzzing sound. We are enjoying both the samsung plasma and LG LED, but the plasma gets the most viewing. With HD the picture in movie mode is amazing. The dynamic mode looks like the LED tv and sometimes just too bright for me, although I realize some folks prefer it.
 

TheUnk

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No. You're either going to spend LESS on a plasma and take in trade slightly higher power consumption, image retention and weight, or pay more for a super high end LCD that consumes a minute amount of less power, weighs less and doesn't have retention issues. Plasmas are GENERALLY cheaper than LCDs, unless you're buying an old Kuro.

I've had a plasma for almost 2 years, used for gaming and lots of kids shows including 4:3 with black bars. What is this image retention you speak of and when does it become a problem?

Thankfully I only ever had to move my TV once when I first purchased it, cause it was pretty heavy. Feel sorry for all the millions of people who have to move their TV around a lot and made the mistake of a plasma.
 

SlitheryDee

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I've had a plasma for almost 2 years, used for gaming and lots of kids shows including 4:3 with black bars. What is this image retention you speak of and when does it become a problem?

I've had my plasma for about a year and I notice small instances of temporary image retention. When I play a game for several hours I can see ghostly impressions of the static hud elements from the game for a few hours after that. Even then it's not something you'd notice unless most of the screen is black, and it goes away quickly.
 

SlickSnake

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Bumped before Panny plasmas run out of gas in December.

R.I.P. Panny Plasmas :'(
 
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