If possible: Forced birth control for those on welfare to stop the next generation of poor

[JEDI]

for women, there's a birth control shot that lasts at least a month.
let's say there's a birth control shot for men that make them sterile for a month at a time?

would making those on public assistance (welfare/food stamps/section 8 housing/etc) receive these shots greatly reduce the next generation of poor?

less poor = better for society overall?
ie: less resources to prop them up and less crime

 

[Puffnstuff]

would making those on public assistance (welfare/food stamps/section 8 housing/etc) receive these shots greatly reduce the next generation of poor?

While many might disagree with that practice I believe that if you are in a position that qualifies you to receive such assistance that you shouldn't be trying to compound your problems by bringing more children into this world. Having them use birth control as a requisite to receiving benefits wouldn't be unreasonable, however, it would be subject to enormous resistance.

 

[sdifox]

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

 

[interchange]

What's your experience with people receiving government benefits?

 

[boomerang]

Fewer poor would be the death knell of the Democrat Party. How can they be the 'champions' of the poor and downtrodden if these groups do not exist? No, it's very much in the best interests of the Democrats to continue the status quo.

Look at the mistakes the party has made through the decades. One being that abortion on demand has killed off many, many millions of Democrat voters. So many that it has become imperative that illegals be imported in huge numbers in hopes of maintaining the voter base. The Democrat Party is not about helping people it is about maintaining the illusion of helping people in order to have power and through that power, enrich themselves to the greatest degree possible.

Voters are key. Killing them off or preventing them from being born is a losing methodology. It's taken quite a few decades for the party to come to this realization and now people like the OP are coming up with shit like this? When your livelihood is dependent on the poor, eradicating poverty shouldn't even be on your radar. Lip service is OK. Action is not.

 

[jman19]

Awful, awful idea. You want the government to run a eugenics program?

 

[sdifox]

Fewer poor would be the death knell of the Democrat Party. How can they be the 'champions' of the poor and downtrodden if these groups do not exist? No, it's very much in the best interests of the Democrats to continue the status quo.

Look at the mistakes the party has made through the decades. One being that abortion on demand has killed off many, many millions of Democrat voters. So many that it has become imperative that illegals be imported in huge numbers in hopes of maintaining the voter base. The Democrat Party is not about helping people it is about maintaining the illusion of helping people in order to have power and through that power, enrich themselves to the greatest degree possible.

Voters are key. Killing them off or preventing them from being born is a losing methodology. It's taken quite a few decades for the party to come to this realization and now people like the OP are coming up with shit like this? When your livelihood is dependent on the poor, eradicating poverty shouldn't even be on your radar. Lip service is OK. Action is not.

Or maybe because the supreme court has recognised reproductive right as fundamental.

 

[SNC]

Just like I tell my kids I'm happy to prop you up while you are young so you can get a start on you nestegg, bank money for that day you decide to start a family, move to another location for a better job opportunity, provided you heed my advice. If you are going to fly off to some tropical island for spring break, purchase a new sports car, eat out every night, create a life ect... you are saying you have a better way forward than I am willing to pay for, and you can now bear the financial responsibilities of those decisions and pay your own way. It is bound to happen at some point, it is silly to think otherwise. So is it a travisity to say if you are in a position where you can't pay for basic things like a roof or food, that the person handing you the very thing you need to survive can't place some conditions on that money? If while collecting money to live off the government you are actively doing things to make it harder to stop taking money off the government, like making babies, then it becomes more of a hammock and less a safety net.

 

[mizzou]

eugenics scare the stuff out of me. Reminds me of how easy we can all become like Nazis

Forced sterilization is insanely creepy

 

[brycejones]

OP: Just NO.

 

[SNC]

eugenics scare the stuff out of me. Reminds me of how easy we can all become like Nazis

Forced sterilization is insanely creepy

I think that sterilization is a HUGE stretched from what the OP posted, the topic is birth CONTROL, as a temporary measure while collecting money because you are unable to support yourself.
As soon as you are able to support yourself you would be free to procreate as you see fit, so long as you can afford it and dont ask to start collecting again.
I agree this is a bit of an extreme measure, but if there was a hint of personal responsibility that this causes might it be worth it? I know a lot of you have never actually seen or lived around/with what are called welfare queens, so I get your disgust with a subject like this. When I was living like a bum, mothers would actually raise their girls up believing that the more kids they had the better it was for them. Each kid meant more money. Women, when their kid(s) was either turning 18 or moving into their own government provided housing apartment with their brood, would intentionally get pregnant so that the checks would keep coming in. Is this a very slim minority, in my direct - I lived it and watched it happen in several low income housing plans in and around the pittsburgh area - not so much. I would say it was more of the norm then most would like to admit. Your area might be different. I would love to hear those against the OP, defend what I laid out, and explain how this is a good thing for society and what if anything you would do to change the rules/laws that permit the above from happening.

 

[ivwshane]

We could save a shit ton of money and resources by removing access to Medicare for those past retirement age. That sounds like a better plan to me.

Why not go further and just kill old people who cannot provide for themselves? Just imagine how many resources we waste on keeping old people alive? It certainly would be better for society.

Does that sound like a good plan to you as well op?





Some of the shit you people say and believe is downright bonkers. Not only that but it highlights your complete ignorance on the subject. Op you didn't even bother to bring up facts or look into the data behind your premise and instead spoke from your gut. Even worse were the brain dead responses you received, disgusting.

 

[Commodus]

for women, there's a birth control shot that lasts at least a month.
let's say there's a birth control shot for men that make them sterile for a month at a time?

would making those on public assistance (welfare/food stamps/section 8 housing/etc) receive these shots greatly reduce the next generation of poor?

less poor = better for society overall?
ie: less resources to prop them up and less crime

No. Never. You're suppressing a fundamental human right. I would rather lead a revolution than let this happen.

 

[Commodus]

Fewer poor would be the death knell of the Democrat Party. How can they be the 'champions' of the poor and downtrodden if these groups do not exist? No, it's very much in the best interests of the Democrats to continue the status quo.

Look at the mistakes the party has made through the decades. One being that abortion on demand has killed off many, many millions of Democrat voters. So many that it has become imperative that illegals be imported in huge numbers in hopes of maintaining the voter base. The Democrat Party is not about helping people it is about maintaining the illusion of helping people in order to have power and through that power, enrich themselves to the greatest degree possible.

Voters are key. Killing them off or preventing them from being born is a losing methodology. It's taken quite a few decades for the party to come to this realization and now people like the OP are coming up with shit like this? When your livelihood is dependent on the poor, eradicating poverty shouldn't even be on your radar. Lip service is OK. Action is not.

Holy crap, you live in conspiracy land.

Also, it's ironic that you talk about this when you eagerly support a party determined to kill poor people by gutting affordable health care and other social services.

 

[soulcougher73]

While many might disagree with that practice I believe that if you are in a position that qualifies you to receive such assistance that you shouldn't be trying to compound your problems by bringing more children into this world. Having them use birth control as a requisite to receiving benefits wouldn't be unreasonable, however, it would be subject to enormous resistance.

This. I mean its not like were sterilizing them. That i could see issue with obviously. Its just temporary BC. No biggie.

 

[SNC]

We could save a shit ton of money and resources by removing access to Medicare for those past retirement age. That sounds like a better plan to me.

Why not go further and just kill old people who cannot provide for themselves? Just imagine how many resources we waste on keeping old people alive? It certainly would be better for society.

Does that sound like a good plan to you as well op?

Hyperbole much?

 

[feralkid]

Fewer poor would be the death knell of the Democrat Party. How can they be the 'champions' of the poor and downtrodden if these groups do not exist? No, it's very much in the best interests of the Democrats to continue the status quo.

Look at the mistakes the party has made through the decades. One being that abortion on demand has killed off many, many millions of Democrat voters. So many that it has become imperative that illegals be imported in huge numbers in hopes of maintaining the voter base. The Democrat Party is not about helping people it is about maintaining the illusion of helping people in order to have power and through that power, enrich themselves to the greatest degree possible.

Voters are key. Killing them off or preventing them from being born is a losing methodology. It's taken quite a few decades for the party to come to this realization and now people like the OP are coming up with shit like this? When your livelihood is dependent on the poor, eradicating poverty shouldn't even be on your radar. Lip service is OK. Action is not.

I would prefer that persons who display such dangerous and delusional thought processes as you do would not reproduce, but I can't get behind the idea of the government enforcing such measures.

 

[dank69]

I think putting the government in charge of who can reproduce is a fantastic idea.

 

[mizzou]

I think that sterilization is a HUGE stretched from what the OP posted, the topic is birth CONTROL, as a temporary measure while collecting money because you are unable to support yourself.
As soon as you are able to support yourself you would be free to procreate as you see fit, so long as you can afford it and dont ask to start collecting again.
I agree this is a bit of an extreme measure, but if there was a hint of personal responsibility that this causes might it be worth it? I know a lot of you have never actually seen or lived around/with what are called welfare queens, so I get your disgust with a subject like this. When I was living like a bum, mothers would actually raise their girls up believing that the more kids they had the better it was for them. Each kid meant more money. Women, when their kid(s) was either turning 18 or moving into their own government provided housing apartment with their brood, would intentionally get pregnant so that the checks would keep coming in. Is this a very slim minority, in my direct - I lived it and watched it happen in several low income housing plans in and around the pittsburgh area - not so much. I would say it was more of the norm then most would like to admit. Your area might be different. I would love to hear those against the OP, defend what I laid out, and explain how this is a good thing for society and what if anything you would do to change the rules/laws that permit the above from happening.

Oh whew. Temporary sterlization, thats so much more of a relief!

I was looking through my Dave Ramsey steps for financial freedom and I couldnt find forced sterilization in there....but I peeled back the last page off the cover and found it! There it is, baby step 8. Once you have eliminated all debt, fill out your 10-666 and plead the government to let you have control of your f!&!&ing body again.

 

[Puffnstuff]

This. I mean its not like were sterilizing them. That i could see issue with obviously. Its just temporary BC. No biggie.

A temporary arrangement for the duration of their benefits shouldn't be a problem and when they get back on their feet they still retain the ability to grow their families as they see fit.

 

[SNC]

Oh whew. Temporary sterlization, thats so much more of a relief!

I was looking through my Dave Ramsey steps for financial freedom and I couldnt find forced sterilization in there....but I peeled back the last page off the cover and found it! There it is, baby step 8. Once you have eliminated all debt, fill out your 10-666 and plead the government to let you have control of your f!&!&ing body again.

Wow, it's not really that hard, no forms to fill out, you stop taking money and you can do whatever the fuck you want. I'm a bit confused, but I can only assume you are OK with queens pumping out kids for the sole purpose of collecting a check. Please correct if I'm misstating your position.

 

[feralkid]

Wow, it's not really that hard, no forms to fill out, you stop taking money and you can do whatever the fuck you want. I'm a bit confused, but I can only assume you are OK with queens pumping out kids for the sole purpose of collecting a check. Please correct if I'm misstating your position.

Don't mistake fairy tales for factual reality.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/welfare-queen-myth/501470/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So how far are we taking this plan? Just targeting the poorest among us or all recipients of government assistance? More money is spent on corporate welfare, farm subsidies etc... so what are we offering to do there?

Sterilization? Really? How is this even a topic of discussion?

 

[mizzou]

amazing how people can think like the same "Nazis" they often want to randomly punch in the face.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

Dont like what welfare does to people? How about not giving it out!

 

[ivwshane]

Don't mistake fairy tales for factual reality.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/welfare-queen-myth/501470/

Why deal in facts? Their gut never lies. If it feels right then it is right.