So punish the children. So simple.Look the simple, and far less invasive, option here is to just not increase benefits if new children are born into the recipient family. Get away from the entire force anything argument.
Good luck talking to liberals who think breeding and having others support them is a good idea. As someone who is left leaning libertarian its one of the few things i disagree with them on. I dont have a single problem with welfare in general. Just the way it is handled and how we let people abuse it and continue to breed on tax payer money as if that is ok.
David Koch: Hey soulcougher! Look over there! That poor person is wasting your tax money!
Let's see your cost benefit analysis then.And here i thought libs were about being efficient with tax payer money. Guess its all a lie. You cant even discuss the topic in a rational way.
Then as someone with a problem with the current setup I'm sure you can accurately explain what those problems are, what the percentage of people who receive benefits fall into that category, the total cost associated with that abuse and how its generational as has been claimed here.
How long should we wait for that information? I assume someone who is ad passionate and as concerned about the issue as you are has those details ready to go.
Plus it would be a lot of work.It's not worth discussing with you. You have shown yourself to not be rational on this topic by your replies so far in this thread.
It's not worth discussing with you. You have shown yourself to not be rational on this topic by your replies so far in this thread.
Plus it would be a lot of work.
I'd be more in favor of the carrot over the stick in this situation. How about we pay people that are willing to voluntarily get birth control? Something similar to project prevention.
http://www.projectprevention.org/
You seem to be missing the actual argument being made. No one is talking about 1 kid policies or permanently sterilizing people. The topic is should people on government welfare type programs be allowed to continue breeding or should they be on some form of TEMPORARY birth control until they can support themselves and kids.
Liberals seem to think its fine to let them keep breeding and someone else will pay of it no matter what. I think its fine you need temporary help from a social program, but not letting you dig our hole deeper by allowing you to add to the problem already at hand.
You seem to be missing the actual argument being made. No one is talking about 1 kid policies or permanently sterilizing people. The topic is should people on government welfare type programs be allowed to continue breeding or should they be on some form of TEMPORARY birth control until they can support themselves and kids.
Liberals seem to think its fine to let them keep breeding and someone else will pay of it no matter what. I think its fine you need temporary help from a social program, but not letting you dig our hole deeper by allowing you to add to the problem already at hand.
So punish the children. So simple.
That's because they're under the misconception that life begins at conception. If this were true Jesus would've mentioned something other than the sin clock beginning at the act of birth.Evangelicals think birth control is literally the work of Satan so this is a no go.
it's not sterilization.eugenics scare the stuff out of me. Reminds me of how easy we can all become like Nazis
Forced sterilization is insanely creepy
um.. huge difference.We could save a shit ton of money and resources by removing access to Medicare for those past retirement age. That sounds like a better plan to me.
Why not go further and just kill old people who cannot provide for themselves? Just imagine how many resources we waste on keeping old people alive? It certainly would be better for society.
Does that sound like a good plan to you as well op?
Forced injections, what could possibly go wrong?it's not sterilization.
birth control 1 month at a time till you get off the govt safety net/hammock
um.. huge difference.
vast majority of the old paid for medicare during their working life via the medicare tax. (look at your paycheck stub. you're paying it too.)
but yes, we can save some $ on medicare by not paying the top 10 procedures during the last 6 months of life for old people.
little return on $.
those 10 procedures costs $Billions$ yet a vast # still die within 6 months.
it's not sterilization.
birth control 1 month at a time till you get off the govt safety net/hammock
no, you're voluntarily giving up that right if you accept govt aid.The point: you're arguing the government should have control over who's allowed to reproduce.
This will always be wrong.
Since you seem to be in the know; can you show us what the net cost would be to implement such a system?
no, you're voluntarily giving up that right if you accept govt aid.
want free $? there's strings attached.
Not really. Clearly they already have this information, that's why they are so informed on the topic.
/s
thx.Sorry you are wrong, most Medicare recipients get back more than they pay in.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...re-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/
Sounds like you support killing the elderly though, so congrats on that. /s