That's stupid. If he has no gun and is no threat. Why the fuck would I let him take my car?
No, you don't have the right to kill. The only time you can justify killing someone is if someone is putting another person's life in immediate jeopardy. Cars can be replaced. Life can not.
If it took me 4 years to pay off my car, that's 4 years of my life that are being threatened.
Property isn't free, it costs money. Money is typically obtained via labor, ie: the exchange of life in the form of labor. Therefore stealing property equates to stealing a person's life.
wait, you are saying your entire 4 years of life are summed up by basic transportation.
Fuck, I'd kill myself.
wait, you are saying your entire 4 years of life are summed up by basic transportation.
Fuck, I'd kill myself.
Garland, Texas police say they planned no criminal charges against a 25-year-old man who fatally shot a suspected copper thief Thursday.
The shooting happened shortly before 1:20 a.m. at Bargain Town Variety & Furniture store in the 5700 block of Broadway Boulevard.
The business owner's son, identified by police as Sunny Sheu, was guarding the roof because the store had recently been hit by copper thieves.
The son said he confronted a man who had climbed onto the roof, police said. The son fired his gun, striking the man in the torso. The man fled and collapsed on the ground.
The shooting victim was identified as Edward Preston Hickey, 43. According to investigators, he had an extensive criminal record of mostly nonviolent offenses including theft and public intoxication.
Police said Mr. Hickey had a small backpack containing tools that could be used to steal copper.
They said Mr. Sheu was cooperating in their investigation.
According to Garland police spokesman Joe Harn, Bargain Town manager Jose Hernandez filed two theft reports this month. On Tuesday, he said $1,500 worth of air-conditioning parts were taken from the store. On Wednesday, he reported that someone had stolen $6,000 worth of copper out of air-conditioning units.
"Last night, the owner's son decided to sit on the roof and see if someone came," Officer Harn said.
Police were called by an off-duty officer who was working security at a nearby Wal-Mart.
Police said the case would be referred to a grand jury for review, but that such reviews are standard procedure in fatal shootings. They said they had no plans to arrest Mr. Sheu.
"We've had a lot of problems in this area," said Wilson Samuel, owner of nearby Quality Cleaners and Quality Convenience. "That's why we put up burglar bars. We were broken into, but the alarm scared them off.
"It's sad someone had to lose their life, but at the same time they need to stop this," Mr. Samuel said. "If you don't do anything about it, they keep doing it."
Some states do allow for deadly force to be used to protect property. Just throwing that out there....
Thanks, we covered this.
You're welcome.
You're not likely to be arrested or charged for shooting someone in defense of yourself or your property in Texas.
in Texas they probably wouldn't even take your gun
In my little piece of America, our PA will not file charges until there is evidence that it was not self defense. Chances are good that you will be detained and questioned but not charged.
Dunno, but riddle me this: If someone tries to steal your guns, should you have the right to run them over in your car?
Oh, so I should call them and go "hey, this motherfucker is carjacking me, I'm gonna shoot him if you don't show up and arrest him"
Yes. All of this Yes.
Some states do allow for deadly force to be used to protect property. Just throwing that out there....
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Garland, Texas police say they planned no criminal charges against a 25-year-old man who fatally shot a suspected copper thief Thursday.
The shooting happened shortly before 1:20 a.m. at Bargain Town Variety & Furniture store in the 5700 block of Broadway Boulevard.
The business owner's son, identified by police as Sunny Sheu, was guarding the roof because the store had recently been hit by copper thieves.
The son said he confronted a man who had climbed onto the roof, police said. The son fired his gun, striking the man in the torso. The man fled and collapsed on the ground.
The shooting victim was identified as Edward Preston Hickey, 43. According to investigators, he had an extensive criminal record of mostly nonviolent offenses including theft and public intoxication.
Police said Mr. Hickey had a small backpack containing tools that could be used to steal copper.
They said Mr. Sheu was cooperating in their investigation.
According to Garland police spokesman Joe Harn, Bargain Town manager Jose Hernandez filed two theft reports this month. On Tuesday, he said $1,500 worth of air-conditioning parts were taken from the store. On Wednesday, he reported that someone had stolen $6,000 worth of copper out of air-conditioning units.
"Last night, the owner's son decided to sit on the roof and see if someone came," Officer Harn said.
Police were called by an off-duty officer who was working security at a nearby Wal-Mart.
Police said the case would be referred to a grand jury for review, but that such reviews are standard procedure in fatal shootings. They said they had no plans to arrest Mr. Sheu.
"We've had a lot of problems in this area," said Wilson Samuel, owner of nearby Quality Cleaners and Quality Convenience. "That's why we put up burglar bars. We were broken into, but the alarm scared them off.
"It's sad someone had to lose their life, but at the same time they need to stop this," Mr. Samuel said. "If you don't do anything about it, they keep doing it."
From your own link...
That case is not a reflection of life > property... it's a statement on 'man-traps' where deadly force is used in the absence of the property owner. Which is exactly NOT what the OP is asking in his hypothetical situation.
You don't. You have a legal right to use non deadly physical force in this case to retain your property. If at any time in the course of using non deadly physical force, the person escalates (pulls a knife, gun, or begins to assault you or threaten bodily harm) then you have a right to escalate to deadly physical force.
Then it becomes legal:
using physical force to protect your car
using deadly force only to protect yourself
Never were you using deadly force to protect the vehicle.
yea man traps are a whole other animal and should have stiff penalties. My bro-in-law's truck was broken into at the houston airport extened parking while he was on a job in Scottland. the theives totally ripped the dash apart to get the STOCK radio out of his ford F-150. anyway my bro-in-law was so pissed he made a board of 3" screws and when he parked his truck at IAH extended parking he put it down on the drivers seat and covered with a towel. i flat out told him that he better not do that and if you were pissed because your radio got stolen just think how pissed you will be when said dirtbag sues the living shit out of you for medical and pain/suffering and YOU are the one sitting in a jail cell.
a week later my sister called me and said that he threw his board of screws away.
You need to stop posting information like this. State laws vary. Some states you can't even defend yourself. You are required to run away pissing in your pants. Other states, you can use whatever force you deemed appropriate to prevent the commission of a felony. Or if it is reasonable to believe the property could not be recovered if the criminal got away with it.
The OP's hypothetical is flawed as it uses absolutes in the premise, but there are no absolutes in those kinds of situations.
Bahh, Bahhh. god you are such a government sponsored sheep. what happened to England? you guys use to rule the world, now look at you. pathetic.
How is that different than poisoning you (your previous example)?
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