If someone tries to steal your car should you have the right to shoot and kill them?

[sadffffff]

Sounds like your girlfriend is more of a man than you are. You would just sit there and allow someone to steal your property? What a puss.

lol

sounds like youre pretty clear on this: shoot and kill someone for property?

k, crazy.

 

[nick1985]

sounds like youre pretty clear on this: shoot and kill someone for property?

k, crazy.

puss

 

[hdfxst]

So IYO opinion are your possessions worth more than a persons life?

If you want an honest yes or no answer i think most people will answer yes,including myself.Maybe you can start a poll about that

 

[HAL9000]

what's IYO?in your opinion?
so in your opinion opinion?

Yeah I meant it as in your opinion Like IMO is in my opinion.

If you want an honest yes or no answer i think most people will answer yes,including myself.Maybe you can start a poll about that

...:hmm: that's pretty much what the poll is about.

 

[nick1985]

If you want an honest yes or no answer i think most people will answer yes,including myself.Maybe you can start a poll about that

Yep. I work hard for my property. Anyone trying to take my property can expect to get shot. Anyone who think's I'm crazy for thinking that way can piss off.

 

[MotionMan]

I see so based on what is legal and illegal logic and morality changes?

Laws are based on the morality of the particular society (and, to some extent, visa versa).

By following the proper legal channels, one can take away your car. When they fail to follow the proper legal channels and they take your car, it is called theft. It makes perfect, logical sense.

MotionMan

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Yeah I meant it as in your opinion Like IMO is in my opinion.

so is "IYO opinion" like "NIC card"?
network interface card card?

i don't think that my possessions are worth more than someone's life, but if someone doesn't respect my property, i have the right to defend it and if it means shooting the bastard, so be it.

 

[HAL9000]

Laws are based on the morality of the particular society (and, to some extent, visa versa).

By following the proper legal channels, one can take away your car. When they fail to follow the proper legal channels and they take your car, it is called theft. It makes perfect, logical sense.

MotionMan

Law makes perfect logical sense. (for the most part)

Morality (for me) makes perfect logical sense

The Law is based on a sense of shared morality

The Law does not change morality.

If something is moral or immoral it can change the law
Something being legal or illegal does not make it immoral.

 

[HAL9000]

so is "IYO opinion" like "NIC card"?
network interface card card?

i don't think that my possessions are worth more than someone's life, but if someone doesn't respect my property, i have the right to defend it and if it means shooting the bastard, so be it.

Technically NIC card is a Network Interface Controller Card, at least that Is what I would assume it to mean.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nic

But if you don't believe that your property are worth a life, then how does someones disrespect for your property change that?

 

[sadffffff]

Yep. I work hard for my property. Anyone trying to take my property can expect to get shot. Anyone who think's I'm crazy for thinking that way can piss off.

hey! maybe you'd like to shoot people for calling you crazy too? i mean, you already want to shoot people for upsetting you when you have your things taken away. why not when they upset you by calling you names?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

hey! maybe you'd like to shoot people for calling you crazy too? i mean, you already want to shoot people for upsetting you when you have your things taken away. why not when they upset you by calling you names?

really, really valid comparison.
i mean, really.

 

[nick1985]

hey! maybe you'd like to shoot people for calling you crazy too? i mean, you already want to shoot people for upsetting you when you have your things taken away. why not when they upset you by calling you names?

Grasping for straws!

Since name calling is the same as theft, right? Oh wait, its not and you are just stretching to try and make a point, but instead it's making you look like a fool.

I wouldn't shoot someone for "upsetting me", I would shoot someone who is trying to harm me or steal my property. There is a difference there and even though you seem pretty dense, I really hope you can see it.

 

[sadffffff]

really, really valid comparison.
i mean, really.

i was being a bit facetious to belittle him.

 

[sadffffff]

Grasping for straws!

Since name calling is the same as theft, right? Oh wait, its not and you are just stretching to try and make a point, but instead it's making you look like a fool.

I wouldn't shoot someone for "upsetting me", I would shoot someone who is trying to harm me or steal my property. There is a difference there and even though you seem pretty dense, I really hope you can see it.

noones going to harm you, op said he was not a threat. hes just pissing you off by taking your things.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Technically NIC card is a Network Interface Controller Card, at least that Is what I would assume it to mean.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nic

But if you don't believe that your property are worth a life, then how does someones disrespect for your property change that?

so what is the 'o' in "IYO opinion"?

and at what point do you draw the line? is there a threshold i should be aware of before I can start defending my property?

ok thief, you can take anything of mine that's under $500. past that, and i might have to kill you.

 

[MotionMan]

Law makes perfect logical sense. (for the most part)

Morality (for me) makes perfect logical sense

YOUR morality. Your morality may be different than others, with neither being right or wrong - just different.

For example, some think it is immoral for women to wear bikinis. Also, some believe it is moral to kill a woman for wearing a bikini (and immoral not to kill her).

The Law is based on a sense of shared morality

The Law does not change morality.

It can. It can forces changes in behavior that eventually become a part of the fabric of the society and, eventually, become the dominant morality of the society.

If something is moral or immoral it can change the law
Something being legal or illegal does not make it immoral.

It can. See above.

MotionMan

 

[HAL9000]

so what is the 'o' in "IYO opinion"?

and at what point do you draw the line? is there a threshold i should be aware of before I can start defending my property?

ok thief, you can take anything of mine that's under $500. past that, and i might have to kill you.

No I don't think you should ever kill over property, regardless of the value.

Also I didn't mean to type opinion, please ignore it.

 

[thraashman]

I'm against murder. There is no such thing as justifiable homicide. If I had no choice but to kill someone else in order to save my life or the life of someone I care about, I would exhaust all other options first. And if it came down to my last option being I had to kill, I probably would. But it would still be murder, and I'd have to deal with that the rest of my life. There's obviously very few people in here that hold human life to be sacred, but I already knew that about many of you. Kinda sad that many of you probably consider yourselves Christian that would kill someone for a car, and I'm an atheist and hold life to be the most sacred thing on this planet.

 

[HAL9000]

YOUR morality. Your morality may be different than others, with neither being right or wrong - just different

For example, some think it is immoral for women to wear bikinis. Also, some believe it is moral to kill a woman for wearing a bikini (and immoral not to kill her).

Of course, that's why I said "morality (for me)"

It can. It can forces changes in behavior that eventually become a part of the fabric of the society and, eventually, become the dominant morality of the society.



It can. See above.

MotionMan

Of course it can, over time eventually change the perception of society, but what we are talking about is the statement "Your boss's actions are legal. The car thief's actions are illegal. You have a right to defend your life against illegal actions. You do not have a right to go postal."

So based on this, morally I have the right if the action is illegal, but not if it is legal, to me this makes no sense, it implies that morality is predicated on legality.

 

[nick1985]

i was being a bit facetious to belittle him.

And I'll go out on a limb that most members here think you sound like a fool.

 

[nick1985]

noones going to harm you, op said he was not a threat. hes just pissing you off by taking your things.

Theft of my property is harm to me.

 

[Nebor]

No I don't think you should ever kill over property, regardless of the value.

Also I didn't mean to type opinion, please ignore it.

So the armed guards at Las Vegas casinos or the Louvre shouldn't be armed to protect the extremely valuable property there?

 

[HAL9000]

I'm against murder. There is no such thing as justifiable homicide. If I had no choice but to kill someone else in order to save my life or the life of someone I care about, I would exhaust all other options first. And if it came down to my last option being I had to kill, I probably would. But it would still be murder, and I'd have to deal with that the rest of my life. There's obviously very few people in here that hold human life to be sacred, but I already knew that about many of you. Kinda sad that many of you probably consider yourselves Christian that would kill someone for a car, and I'm an atheist and hold life to be the most sacred thing on this planet.

I completely agree. This is the point I've been trying to argue.

 

[sadffffff]

Theft of my property is harm to me.

k, crazy.

 

[HAL9000]

So the armed guards at Las Vegas casinos or the Louvre shouldn't be armed to protect the extremely valuable property there?

Exactly, not with deadly weapons they certainly shouldn't. Like they aren't in the UK.