hoodrattin'?
Around here you are more likely to be carjacked by a teen than an adult.
You can't use a 12yr kid as example. What's a 12yr going to do 12 at nite and stealing your car.
Kudo's to you for being man enough to apologize, in my book this goes a long way. :thumbsup:
Um ... I think you and I have pretty vastly different concepts of a perfect world. In a perfect world, we'd never have to worry about someone doing harm to our family, friends, or property.
We could always head over to Mamby-Pamby-Land, you jack wagon!
MotionMan
Um ... I think you and I have pretty vastly different concepts of a perfect world. In a perfect world, we'd never have to worry about someone doing harm to our fmaily, friends, or property.
lol yes I should rephrase. In a perfect world we indeed would not have to worry about any of that. Everyone would all just get along and be law-abiding citizens.
In this world though I have little faith in the policies of our courts and laws. If someone broke into my house for any reason at all, I'd shoot them in a second. Logic dictates that they are trespassing and that you as the homeowner can do whatever is necessary to remove their ability to function (perhaps by putting a hole through their head) until you can ascertain their motives because you have no idea if they are out to steal, rape, murder, or just to get a drink of water. Would I really want to kill a person? No, but I do know that if I wounded him, he would have a "side to the story", and from that there would be a chance that something would backfire in the system where I might be made to look like a criminal and perhaps lose the case and get sent to jail. To alleviate this chance, I would feel more comfortable with just taking the person out. My conscience would be able to deal with it since: There is no natural disaster, alien invasion, or zombie apoc thus there is no need to bypass standing laws to "survive".
Do those of you with guns have signs warning children they will be shot on sight if caught on your property?
That is the least you could do.
Do those of you with guns have signs warning children they will be shot on sight if caught on your property?
That is the least you could do.
Would I really want to kill a person? No, but I do know that if I wounded him, he would have a "side to the story", and from that there would be a chance that something would backfire in the system where I might be made to look like a criminal and perhaps lose the case and get sent to jail. To alleviate this chance, I would feel more comfortable with just taking the person out.
Sound's like he was more than likely trying to jimmy the back door. It's extremely rare once spotted a perp is going to run around to another door especially a see through one.
Whomever bought and carried the gun.
I just don't understand why you think someone should have the right to kill someone over a car?!
Most people will never be in these types of situations. And from your descriptions these were not situations you put yourself in unnecessarily. Also from what you've said in both these instances you didn't kill either person, and you didn't fire more than once. In addition you didn't shoot until you had to. And even you admit that with one of them you might have been a bit quick on the trigger. That's normal human behavior. Congratulations, you're not part of the problem and appear to be a human with actual emotions.
Some of the posters in this thread indicate that they're the type of person who would unload the clip, reload, then fire the next clip half empty. In fact I've seen nick post in other threads before, I'm quite positive he's the type that would do that.
I apologize for doubting your actions earlier.
Given the scenario you suggested I answered "No".
I would be glad to be away from this person, and would call the police, give them my vehicle make, model, license plate number, and hope the thief is caught.
As someone with experience in various martial arts, I can say with authority, you're full of shit.
You're seriously trying to tell us that if 3 guys broke into your house with knives you would defend your property, with a knife, without killing these three men? How the fuck would you do that exactly?
maybe the stuff in the car is whats more important. like my kids. if someone actually tried to carjack me (its alreaddy happened, i know what id do IRL) they would have to get by the door locks, as well as sneak up on me. it hasnt worked twice so far, both times i stopped the incidents before they became incidents. both times id have shot them dead, since i had my kids in the back seat.
if it was just my car, fuck it. its insured and lojacked. i better not be sitting in it tho, i would take any act of aggression towards me in my seat as a reason to defend myself. may not be with a bullet, but i would defend myself regardless.
I thought it extremely strange at the time, since I KNOW he locked eyes with me through the opening a made in the blinds. I chalked it up to the guy being on drugs.
That's what I was getting at with this thread, in the scenario it's just the car, so a property vs, kind of choice.
in the scenario i read it was a carjacking that will never happen. i doubt there has never been an instance of someone tossing someone out of their car and taking off with it outside a movie set. there will always be a weapon of some sort involved in that, and from what ive seen there will always be an attack of some sort to get the person out of their vehicle. that said, if someone came up to my window and tried to pull me out of my truck, id fight him off or drive away. he aint getting my vehicle if im sitting in it, and trying will be taken as a direct assault on my person, to which ill defend myself. to what degree depends on how they approach my vehicle, and what kind of weapon they have.
stealing my car is them taking it while im not in it and not aware they are taking it.
most of the time, a crook will run at the first yell if they are breaking into your car or house.
Even if the guy does assault you, punching you in your face I would argue it doesn't warrant lethal force.
Would you agree that it requires enough force to neutralize the threat to your person?
MotionMan
Some of the posters in this thread indicate that they're the type of person who would unload the clip, reload, then fire the next clip half empty. In fact I've seen nick post in other threads before, I'm quite positive he's the type that would do that.
I apologize for doubting your actions earlier.