don't forget the slide whistle!
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if someone is stealing my car he's got a weapon and threatening my life, otherwise he's not getting my car. your question is stupid and setup to make yourself look better.
fail.
Yes, put it this way, if the perpetrators actions would be valid reason to have them arrested for killing me, then I would kill them first, if they would not, then I would not, This should explain most situations for you so no need to ask.
If someone is not trained in self-defense, has not been in many fights or even confrontational situations, how does that person know when enough force has been used to make themselves safe?
MotionMan
If someone is not trained in self-defense, has not been in many fights or even confrontational situations, how does that person know when enough force has been used to make themselves safe?
MotionMan
No idea, how does it happen in the animal kingdom?
They kill the attacker.
MotionMan
That they do, and yet they do it without any formal training or weapons. Interesting.
Actually, many animals are trained in self-defense and attack by their parents. Also, their teeth and claws are lethal weapons.
So, what is your point?
MotionMan
I'll try this again:
If someone is not trained in self-defense, has not been in many fights or even confrontational situations, how does that person know when enough force has been used to make themselves safe?
MotionMan
That they do, and yet they do it without any formal training or weapons. Interesting.
How do people identify danger? It's a combination of senses, and environmental awareness, as well as their experiences of knives being sharp and fire being hot. etc.
That they do, and yet they do it without any formal training or weapons. Interesting.
You say that as though they have a choice in the matter.
I'd bet you a dollar that if the zebras in Africa could CCW to protect themselves against the lions they'd do it in a heartbeat.
So if one feels personally threatened by the car thief, fearing for one's life, it is OK to kill him. It is a subjective standard.
MotionMan
Animals have no comprehension of morality, the rules don't apply to them. We have a higher intellect (for the most part) and so should hold our selves to higher standards
You can't be sure what animals can comprehend.
I think that many species of animals do have a sense of morality.... Have you ever had a dog, they are obviously capable of feeling guilt, why couldn't a chimp or a dolphin have understanding of "right" and "wrong"? I bet within their social collectives they have some sort of system of laws/rules and if they don't follow them then they are punished.... this essentially implies a sense of morals....
That is the very example of why most want guns taken away from us.
You make a bad decision and instead of sucking it up, you go and 'clean up'.
What if that person that 'broke' in actually had a family outside and got the wrong house they were supposed to be staying at?
Would you go curbside and kill the family too? They are going to have 3 more sides to that story.
Of course it is, but every situation you are put in you act according to subjective standards, with no two situations being the same and with there being levels of intensity in everything it is up to an individuals judgement.
So one person could be justified in using deadly force because of a perceived threat to their life, even though another person, looking at it from the outside, would think that the person should not have used deadly force.
MotionMan