If someone tries to steal your car should you have the right to shoot and kill them?

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Raduque

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Aug 22, 2004
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his life leading up to that moment.
Don't care.
did he have a family a wife, kids?
Don't care.
what might have he accomplished later in life?
Don't care.
why he was doing it?
Don't care.
did he have a good reason to steal a car.
There's no good reason to go around stealing cars, ever, period. This is real life, not GTA4.

maybe he needed to get to an injured person and lost his head, didnt think to ask for help, or call?
None of that is my problem. My only problem is defending what's mine, as is my Texas-given right.
 

Raduque

Lifer
Aug 22, 2004
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Some of the posters in this thread indicate that they're the type of person who would unload the clip, reload, then fire the next clip half empty. In fact I've seen nick post in other threads before, I'm quite positive he's the type that would do that.

I apologize for doubting your actions earlier.

Haven't you ever heard of hyperbole? You're as much of an idiot as Neckbeard.
 

corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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Yes

Why?

To reduce crime

How?

If it becomes ingrained in the criminal mind that stealing a car will get you killed they'll stop stealing cars, or they'll all be dead.

Of course criminals already know this, anytime you commit a violent act against another (forcibly stealing property is a violent act) you are taking the chance they will respond with force up to and including killing you, hence they don't value their life enough to not do it, so why should I place any higher value on it?

And in your fairytale situation someone is asking to borrow your car, they aren't stealing it, in which case I may or may not let them borrow it depending on how well I know them.

PS you really should get outside now and then, the fresh air might do you some good.
 

DrunkenSano

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Voted yes because if the risk to reward ratio becomes too great, then we will have a lot less car thieves. Right now if they get caught, a slap on the wrist or a few years in jail. If the risk suddenly goes from that to death, then criminals would think twice. Doesn't affect innocent people since people who aren't criminals don't steal cars.
 

HAL9000

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Oct 17, 2010
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Yes

Why?

To reduce crime

How?

If it becomes ingrained in the criminal mind that stealing a car will get you killed they'll stop stealing cars, or they'll all be dead.

Of course criminals already know this, anytime you commit a violent act against another (forcibly stealing property is a violent act) you are taking the chance they will respond with force up to and including killing you, hence they don't value their life enough to not do it, so why should I place any higher value on it?

And in your fairytale situation someone is asking to borrow your car, they aren't stealing it, in which case I may or may not let them borrow it depending on how well I know them.

PS you really should get outside now and then, the fresh air might do you some good.

In my situation they are forcibly stealing your car, but they pose you no immediate threat, specifically no potential death threat. Do you value your car higher than their lives?

Voted yes because if the risk to reward ratio becomes too great, then we will have a lot less car thieves. Right now if they get caught, a slap on the wrist or a few years in jail. If the risk suddenly goes from that to death, then criminals would think twice. Doesn't affect innocent people since people who aren't criminals don't steal cars.

But do you not think that you have no right to make that decision?
 

AMDZen

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Apr 15, 2004
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In my situation they are forcibly stealing your car, but they pose you no immediate threat, specifically no potential death threat. Do you value your car higher than their lives?

In the world we are talking about, they are the ones taking the risk. They know when they're stealing your car that the precedent has already been set, and they are risking their own life by stealing your car. Therefore, it is they who value your car over their own life.

What about this logic is so difficult for you to understand?
 

corwin

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Jan 13, 2006
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In the world we are talking about, they are the ones taking the risk. They know when they're stealing your car that the precedent has already been set, and they are risking their own life by stealing your car. Therefore, it is they who value your car over their own life.

What about this logic is so difficult for you to understand?

Definitely this...if there is no threat how can there be force? In the real world those can not be seperated, to use force there has to be a threat.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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In the world we are talking about, they are the ones taking the risk. They know when they're stealing your car that the precedent has already been set, and they are risking their own life by stealing your car. Therefore, it is they who value your car over their own life.

What about this logic is so difficult for you to understand?

The problem is it doesn't matter how someone else views their life, my concept of value of life is not dependant on how the individual views their own life.
 
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